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Offline Matthew

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Possible neo-SSPX strategy for Consecrations
« on: February 21, 2026, 01:24:08 PM »
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I think the selection of priests to be consecrated by the SSSPX will include the "holy" ones and not the liberal or controversial ones. The liberal ones will still be the ones running the show, and the "holy" ones will be the face of the SSSPX...all the while, they will continue to teach that is ok to disregard and oppose the Sovereign Pontiff and remain Catholic.

The bogus ordo will probably not 'excommunicate' because that, in itself, proclaims objective Truth, but preach to the conservative Novus Ordo not to go to the SSSPX who is schismatic. The conservative SSSPXers will be in awe because the SSSPX took a "stand," overlooking the fact that the reason for consecrating was self-preservation. The liberals will be happy that there's no 'excommunication.'

The 'faithful' will see the 'holy' bishops and not suspect anything. Very few will leave. The money will keep rolling in. Everyone will still go down as a heretic for denying the necessity of being subject to the Roman Pontiff.

Kyrie Eleison!


Re: Possible neo-SSPX strategy for Consecrations
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2026, 02:08:49 PM »
"Everyone will go down as a heretic for denying the necessity of being subject to the Roman Pontiff".

And a lot of people said that in '88 but it didn't come to be. But a sweeping generalization like that is not rooted in reality and not in Thomism. Especially after being tied to a long line of assumptions meant to appear as inside analysis.

I would ask the writer of the comment if he believes there is currently a Roman Pontiff to subject himself to.

None of that thinking is in line with Bishop Williamson's line of thought on consecrations without a papal mandate, surely being the "not being subject" that the person refers to.

It is essentially a min-version of the Bishop Faure Consecration SSPX response...because what fun would it be if there wasn't a {illogical} tit for tat.

Reads like a Sean Johnson quip.

It also corners them, once again, into a "darned if you do, darned if you don't" position. If the SSPX consecrates, for example, a Fr. Le Roux (who replaced Bishop Williamson at the seminary or another who the Resistance has a gripe with maybe legitimately however) then the Resistance says "see! Bishops probably hand picked by Rome"or whatever they could think to be a reasonable accusation or assumption.

If the bishops are respectful and known as hardliners in the SSPX, then "see! It is a trap because this comment on Cath Info"...essentially.

I don't accept these sort of pre-loaded scenarios. It's absolutely not Thomism.


Offline Meg

Re: Possible neo-SSPX strategy for Consecrations
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 12:11:05 PM »
"Everyone will go down as a heretic for denying the necessity of being subject to the Roman Pontiff".

Both hardline sedevacantists and hardline novus-ordo types would agree to the above. It's what both groups have in common.

Re: Possible neo-SSPX strategy for Consecrations
« Reply #3 on: Today at 05:53:04 PM »
Both hardline sedevacantists and hardline novus-ordo types would agree to the above. It's what both groups have in common.
"This authority, however, (though it has been given to man and is exercised by man), is not human but rather divine, granted to Peter by a divine word and reaffirmed to him (Peter) and his successors by the One Whom Peter confessed, the Lord saying to Peter himself, ‘Whatsoever you shall bind on earth, shall be bound also in Heaven‘ etc., [Mt 16:19]. Therefore whoever resists this power thus ordained by God, resists the ordinance of God [Rom 13:2], unless he invent like Manicheus two beginnings, which is false and judged by us heretical, since according to the testimony of Moses, it is not in the beginnings but in the beginning that God created heaven and earth [Gen 1:1]. Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."- Unam Sanctam, Pope Boniface VIII 

Hardly a sedevacantist invention, right? The fact that novus ordo types still have that sensus fidelium, which btw. R&R knocked out of of most traditionalists passing through their camp, is a natural default position that every catholic should hold on to.

Re: Possible neo-SSPX strategy for Consecrations
« Reply #4 on: Today at 06:48:20 PM »
"This authority, however, (though it has been given to man and is exercised by man), is not human but rather divine, granted to Peter by a divine word and reaffirmed to him (Peter) and his successors by the One Whom Peter confessed, the Lord saying to Peter himself, ‘Whatsoever you shall bind on earth, shall be bound also in Heaven‘ etc., [Mt 16:19]. Therefore whoever resists this power thus ordained by God, resists the ordinance of God [Rom 13:2], unless he invent like Manicheus two beginnings, which is false and judged by us heretical, since according to the testimony of Moses, it is not in the beginnings but in the beginning that God created heaven and earth [Gen 1:1]. Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."- Unam Sanctam, Pope Boniface VIII

Hardly a sedevacantist invention, right? The fact that novus ordo types still have that sensus fidelium, which btw. R&R knocked out of of most traditionalists passing through their camp, is a natural default position that every catholic should hold on to.
Meg is right. The problem, as Bishop Williamson so often pointed out, is the failure of sedevacantism and conciliarism, to make distinctions.

What does it mean, to be subject to the Roman Pontiff? There lies the issue. Here are some considerations:

"If the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly. Hence Paul, who was Peter's (the Pope's!) subject, rebuked him in public on account of the imminent danger of scandal concerning faith" - St Thomas Aquinas, S Th IIa IIae Q33 A4 ad2
Is St Thomas in error? 

Children are commanded by God and the law of nature to be subject to their parents: "Children", says St Paul, "obey your parents in all things, for that is pleasing to the Lord" - Col 3:20
The Holy Ghost bids servants be subject to their masters: "Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward" ('froward' is rendered 'wicked' in some translations) - I Peter 2:18.
Immediately before this, St Peter admonishes us all: "Be ye subject therefore to every human creature for God's sake; whether it be to the king as excelling, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evil doers, and for the praise of the good. For so is the will of God... as free and not as making liberty a cloak for malice, but as the servants of God" - I Peter 2:13-16

And again, St Paul addressing us all: "Let everyone be subject to higher authorities: for there exists no authority but from God... therefore he that resisteth the authority, resisteth the ordinance of God. And they that resist purchase to themselves damnation" - Rom 13:1-2
Now how could the Lord God command us to obey all authorities in all things and not to resist them, since to do so would be to resist God himself, under threat of eternal damnation? Such a literal understanding of this passage would have us obey even sinful commands.
 
Obviously, that is not the meaning of the Word of God. We must understand words in the sense they are meant, according to our Catholic Faith, and according to true obedience. The Holy Ghost doesn't give us the exceptions: "unless the authority commands you to do something contrary to the law of God, in which case you are duty-bound to resist". Nor does the Holy Ghost, nor our Holy Catholic Faith, nor our common sense, tell us that by so commanding the authority ceases to exist. Our parents are still our parents, worthy of our honour and respect; the king is still the king, worthy of our honour and respect; the priest is still a man of God, worth of our honour and respect; the Pope is still the Pope, worthy of our honour and respect. Not on account of their unworthy words or deeds are they worthy of our honour, but because of Whom they represent in the office they hold. We remain their subjects, but we must "resist them to their face" if need be, respectfully and humbly, in order not to make "liberty a cloak for malice" and to "obey God rather than men". Perhaps we even have to separate ourselves from them for our own protection, as might be the case with a father who is an alcoholic, or the exceptional situation today with the Pope. Clearly, it is the exception.

To take the words of Pope Boniface VIII in Unam Sanctam to mean that a Catholic must obey a Pope in all things, or that a Pope can never command something sinful that ought to be resisted, or that he can never teach heresy outside the confines of his Infallibility is not what the words say, it is not what the words mean, and it is not what the Church teaches. Such a literal interpretation could just as well argue that if there is no Roman Pontiff today to be subject to, no one can be saved.

So we must be careful, like Archbishop Lefebvre, to think with the Church, with a true understanding of the virtue of obedience and what the Church teaches on the infallible magisterium, and being careful not to pontificate on matters that are not certain.