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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Popes message to Fellay: Want to re-join Catholic Church?
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2012, 01:14:25 PM »
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    Perhaps Bishop Fellay should tell Pope Benedict that after Benedict invokes the Holy Spirit and speaks ex-cathedra that religious indiff, ecuмenism, religious liberty are all  infallible he will sign the agreement.  


    Or after he does the consecration of Russia to the I.H.M
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Popes message to Fellay: Want to re-join Catholic Church?
    « Reply #31 on: October 01, 2012, 12:52:58 PM »
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    The "truth" is that this "merely pastoral council" that "defined no dogma at all" is being elevated to the level of a "superdogma" by Pope Benedict as a condition of being a "reintegrated" member of the "Catholic Church."  

    the attribute of infallibility Jesus Christ endowed His Church, has never been invoked to impose the modern novelties as formal objects of Divine and Catholic faith.  Despite having complete control over the bureaucratic institution of the Church this has never been done.  I believe the reason that this has not been done is because God will not allow it.  Furthermore, I believe that they know God will not allow it.  To get around this problem, they have gone to great lengths to impose the "Second Vatican Council and the post-conciliar teachings" by creating the novel doctrine of the "submission of the mind and will" or as Lumen Gentium says, "submission of the soul" to the "authentic magisterium."

    Every Catholic has the right to appeal on questions of faith and morals to the infallible Chair of St. Peter:

    Pope Benedict has offered Bishop Felly an opportunity to demand from Pope Benedict that he teach from the Chair of Peter invoking the extra-ordinary Magisterium of the Church to declare definitively and infallibly the "Second Vatican Council and the post-conciliar teachings" that are necessary to believe for "reintegration" to the Church.  We hold that the "Second Vatican Council and the post-conciliar teachings" are corrupted with heretical doctrine.  

    The demand for an infallible declaration on the "Second Vatican Council and the post-conciliar teachings" is analogous to a medieval "trial by ordeal." Jesus Christ has promised that His Church will teach definitively only the truth.  We are confident in our Lord's promises.  God will destroy Pope Benedict before He lets him use the infallibility of the Church to make God a liar. Imagine the absurdity of just trying to articulate the doctrine of Religious Liberty into a dogmatic categorical proposition; Religious Liberty, the doctrine that holds that the dignity of the creature is so exalted that he has the right to reject the revealed truth of his Creator.  

    The Pope cannot ignore this demand and fall back upon the canonical penalties for failing to "submit the mind and the will" to the "authentic magisterium." Unlike secular criminal procedures which are adversarial, the goal of any judicial canonical trial is to conduct an inquiry to arrive at truth no matter the cost.  The purpose of any canonical penalty is to bring about repentance therefore, any canonical penalty is an act of charity. It is an act of charity to bring the erring to the truth.  Truth and Charity are inseparable.  God Who is Truth and Charity cannot be divided.  When the attribute of infallibility that He has blessed His Church is invoked we can be certain the outcome will both truthful and charitable even if a few liars have to die.
    Br. Joseph
     


    Fantastic!  I always knew the Holy Ghost was not invoked at Vat2 because they realized He would upset their plans.  However, I think Benedict 16 is too aware of this too.


    "spirit of vatican II..."

    If this correct according to Pope Paul vi himself had said that Satan was now in the sanctuary.  even Pope John XXIII on his deathbed cried out to stop the council!

    The holy "spirit" has been used by vatican Ii to justify alot of sins, heresies, etc.  I have advised local vatican II diocese and they even names my old parish the community of the holy spirit.  


    It has been the works of the devil that was invoked at vatican II ...
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    Popes message to Fellay: Want to re-join Catholic Church?
    « Reply #32 on: October 01, 2012, 01:01:15 PM »
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    Perhaps Bishop Fellay should tell Pope Benedict that after Benedict invokes the Holy Spirit and speaks ex-cathedra that religious indiff, ecuмenism, religious liberty are all  infallible he will sign the agreement.  


    Religious Liberty?   There is none for traditional catholics.  
     Love for all religions except the true Faith.

    These liberals are enemies of traditional catholicism.


    Is bishop Fellay an anti-apostle like the book  AA-1025: Memoirs of anti-apostle.

    It is about time, we do our own infiltration.

    To restore all things in Christ.  Christ is King of all nations and even the universe.  


    Where the  Lord is, there is Freedom.
     
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Popes message to Fellay: Want to re-join Catholic Church?
    « Reply #33 on: October 01, 2012, 04:31:41 PM »
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    I always knew the Holy Ghost was not invoked at Vat2 because they realized He would upset their plans.

    But in promulgating the sixteen docuмents of Vatican II, Paul VI DID invoke the Holy Spirit by means of the following formula, which he used to conclude each and every one of them (only the underlined words varying, according to the class of docuмent, eg: Constitution, Declaration, Decree).:

    Haec omnia et singula quae in hac Constitutione dogmatica edicta sunt, placuerunt Sacrostancti Concilii Patribus. Et Nos, Apostolica a Christo Nobis tradita potestate, illa, una cuм Venerabilibus Patribus, in Spiritu Sancto approbamus, decernimus ac statuimus et quae ita synodaliter statuta sunt ad Dei gloriam promulgari iubemus.

    Romae, apud S. Petrum
    die [...] mensis [...] anno [...].
    Ego PAULUS Catholicae Ecclesiae Episcopus


    In the translation by Walter Abbott, SJ, this is rendered as:

    Each and every one of the things set forth in this Dogmatic Constitution has won the consent of the Fathers of this most sacred Council. We too, by the apostolic authority conferred on us by Christ, join with the Venerable Fathersin approving, decreeing, and establishing these things IN THE HOLY SPIRIT [my emphasis], and we direct that what has been enacted in synod be published to God’s glory.

    Rome, at St Peter’s,
    [date]
    I, Paul, bishop of the Catholic Church.


    I suggest that the Holy Spirit responded to this blasphemy by permitting “their plans” to be implemented and by withdrawing the grace that would have prevented the ensuing and mounting mess that has patently come in the wake of Vatican II.