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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Popes message to Fellay: Want to re-join Catholic Church?
« on: September 27, 2012, 03:27:46 PM »
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  • http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homepage/world-news/detail/articolo/concilio-18455/


    09/27/2012
    Pope’s message to Fellay: “Want to re-join Catholic Church? Then accept Vatican II"



    During a conference, Lefebvrian bishop Tissier de Mallerais unveiled a letter written by Benedict XVI which says an agreement between the Society of St. Pius X and the Holy See is impossible
    Andrea Tornielli
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    Last 30 June, just days after the start of the Society of St. Pius X’s General Chapter, Benedict XVI wrote a letter to the Lefebvrian Superior, Bishop Bernard Fellay. The letter was revealed during a conference held on 16 September at the Priory of St. Louis-Marie Grignon de Monfort in France, by Mgr. Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, one of the Fraternity’s four bishops, who is renowned for his disapproval of an agreement with Rome.

     


    During the conference, the prelate said: “On 30 June 2012 – this is a secret but will be revealed to the public – the Pope himself wrote a letter to our Superior General, Mgr. Fellay: “I confirm to you that in order to be fully reintegrated into the Catholic Church, you must really accept the Second Vatican Council and the post-conciliar teachings.”


     
    “This really is a sticking point – Tissier de Mallerais said – because we cannot accept or sign something like this. Clarifications can be made as the Council is so vast and it does have its positive points but this is not the essential element of the Council.”
     

    The Lefebvrian bishop was very tough in some of the points he made during the conference: “Weapons cannot be surrendered right in the middle of a battle; we will not look for a truce while the war rages on, with the beatification of a fake beatification, that of Pope John Paul II. This was fake, it was a fake beatification. And with the requirement, continuously stressed by Benedict XVI, that we accept the Council and the reforms to the post-conciliar teachings.”


     
    Tissier de Mallerais also said that “the collegiality that destroys the power of the Pope who no longer dares to show resistance to the bishops’ conferences.” He added that ecumenism “allows respect for the values of salvation of false religions and Protestantism, of false things,” while religious freedom “allows the free construction of mosques in our countries.”


     
    “Evidently – the Lefebvrian bishop said – we cannot sign such an agreement. There isn’t and never will be agreement over this point.” Despite “modernist Rome’s” insistence, Tissier stressed: “Personally I will never sign anything like this that is for sure. I will never accept that the new Mass is legitimate or licit; I believe it lacks validity, as Mgr. Lefebvre used to say. I will never accept the idea that “the Council, if interpreted correctly, could be made to correspond with the Tradition [and that] an acceptable meaning could be found.”
     

    After calling the doctrinal preamble which Cardinal William Levada delivered to Fellay, “false”, the Lefebvrian bishop said some “very mild and soft” decisions were taken at the General Chapter of the Society of St. Pius X, convened last July, so as to “present Rome with such great obstacles that it would be prevented from making any new proposals to us. But the Devil is evil and I think they will strike again, so I am discreetly preparing to defend us and the Fraternity will defend itself.”
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    Popes message to Fellay: Want to re-join Catholic Church?
    « Reply #1 on: September 27, 2012, 03:36:15 PM »
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  • The Jewish powers will insist on acceptance of Nostra Aetate.  We can be reasonably sure of that.

    I'm sure Benedict XVI would love to accomplish the plan of absorbing the SSPX but he and Bishop Fellay both know they cannot overtly approve Vatican II without splitting the society.  

    So the plan of those working for the ends of the freemasons, to ruin the work of Archbishop Lefebvre - cannot be executed for a while yet.  

    They are waiting.  The SSPX will continue to liberalize from the top down and the bottom up at the same time.

    The culture is changing very, very rapidly, and trads are generally succumbing to it.

    And the SSPX leadership is no longer engaged in the culture war.

    It's only a matter of time.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 27, 2012, 03:38:36 PM »
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  • So what should we say then to priests of the Society who are for the agreement?

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    « Reply #3 on: September 27, 2012, 03:39:34 PM »
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    So what should we say then to priests of the Society who are for the agreement?


    Get the heck out of the SSPX and go join Newchurch.

    That's what we should say to them.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 27, 2012, 03:41:56 PM »
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    So what should we say then to priests of the Society who are for the agreement?


    It's hard to understand their "thought" process, to be honest.  

    Although have you ever considered that recognition of the Society by the Vatican would make their lives much easier?  Bishop Fellay's ability to threaten priests with being kicked to the curb would be greatly diminished by Canon Law.

    So there might be self-interested motives in wanting recognition.  More security.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 27, 2012, 03:49:13 PM »
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    The Jewish powers will insist on acceptance of Nostra Aetate.  We can be reasonably sure of that.

    I'm sure Benedict XVI would love to accomplish the plan of absorbing the SSPX but he and Bishop Fellay both know they cannot overtly approve Vatican II without splitting the society.  

    So the plan of those working for the ends of the freemasons, to ruin the work of Archbishop Lefebvre - cannot be executed for a while yet.  

    They are waiting.  The SSPX will continue to liberalize from the top down and the bottom up at the same time.

    The culture is changing very, very rapidly, and trads are generally succumbing to it.

    And the SSPX leadership is no longer engaged in the culture war.

    It's only a matter of time.


    Given how the Society so publicly appeased the Jews they are in a difficult position. With Zionism at the heart of Menzingen, it's rather strange for their clerics to mount the pulpit and even mention the Jews.The Society are in a difficult but very compromised position. Imagine a SSPX cleric speaking about the Jewish deicide and they having Max Krah at the heart of operations. A Traditionalist Catholic society. It's tragic.You don't hire somebody without checking them out. In reality the Society are "snookered". It's very sad. I do question the judgement of those who hired Krah.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 27, 2012, 03:53:33 PM »
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    So what should we say then to priests of the Society who are for the agreement?


    Get the heck out of the SSPX and go join Newchurch.

    That's what we should say to them.


    They probably eventually will because how can any true priest accept Vatican II and the New Mass etc etc.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 27, 2012, 03:55:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
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    So what should we say then to priests of the Society who are for the agreement?


    It's hard to understand their "thought" process, to be honest.  

    Although have you ever considered that recognition of the Society by the Vatican would make their lives much easier?  Bishop Fellay's ability to threaten priests with being kicked to the curb would be greatly diminished by Canon Law.

    So there might be self-interested motives in wanting recognition.  More security.


    A good point.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 27, 2012, 03:55:18 PM »
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  • if they wanted security, they most probably would not have joined the sspx..... but the SG has powers and is using them,

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    « Reply #9 on: September 27, 2012, 04:05:39 PM »
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    The culture is changing very, very rapidly, and trads are generally succumbing to it.

    And the SSPX leadership is no longer engaged in the culture war.


    Yes, there is agreement Rome want to change the thinking of Traditionalists and using the example again of Archbishop de Noia, he states it will take time but he is convinced "we got them".

    Whilst the SSPX leadership is no longer engaged in leadership or even a battle, I feel it will be those at local level who continue to engage in guerrilla warfare.Pockets of resistance will surprise the Romans.Bishop Fellay is quite mistaken if he thinks chapels will be just given over to Rome. They are only really interested in the properties in my opinion.

    A bit off topic but related right now in Ireland, there is to be a Children's Rights referendum and Catholics are enemy targets.

    Any real resistance will be attacked. There are "bad guys" who want to do down Our Lord and His Church.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 27, 2012, 04:07:09 PM »
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    So what should we say then to priests of the Society who are for the agreement?


    They should apologize for voicing their opinion. :sign-surrender:


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    « Reply #11 on: September 27, 2012, 04:12:06 PM »
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    So what should we say then to priests of the Society who are for the agreement?


    They should apologize for voicing their opinion. :sign-surrender:


    Many are perhaps saving face. Perhaps some are embarrassed. They should at least acknowledge  the consequences of being pro-agreement.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 27, 2012, 04:15:02 PM »
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    but the SG has powers and is using them


    What powers? In reality the Society is a pious union. Personally, I regard Bishop Fellay as a tyrant.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 27, 2012, 04:27:43 PM »
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  • Isn't it silly though to suggest the Society need to "re-join the Catholic Church" when it has never left the Church? There are still people who refuse to attend the Society but will when they "regularise". The only thing stopping them now are excuses.
    Questions should be directed to these people.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 27, 2012, 04:40:32 PM »
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  • I realise it is a film scene but a point to made is even his own people wanted him to say "Mercy" yet he remains true to his principles. As Catholics, we mustn't mind dying for our beliefs so what can the enemy really do.

    An agreement with Rome seems attractive and even some of our own want it but we must say No.Bishop Fellay needs to state clearly the deal is dead.
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