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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: SeanJohnson on June 13, 2021, 09:48:25 PM
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It would go like this:
1) In a completely unexpected move, Cardinal Burke declares to the world the fact of Francis’s heresy;
2) He simultaneously declares that he is seeking ratification of that declaration from his fellow cardinals, and especially from the Roman clergy;
3) Vigano immediately backs him, as do a handful of lesser known bishops (eg., Bishops Strickland, Schneider, and all four Resistance bishops).
4) Over the next 30 days, another dozen bishops and Cardinal Sarah jump on board;
5) Burke declares that, in light of the manifest heresies of Francis (he does not yet see the heresies of the other conciliar popes, but it does not matter), the faithful bishops are going to announce the fact of his heresy, and in a second declaration, that God has therefore deposed Francis);
6) Both declarations take place, with only about 2-3 cardinals and 12-18 bishops ratifying;
7)The Lodge and ѕуηαgσgυє go into full battle mode, unleashing their media machine to warn the world of an impending schism from traditionalist rebels, but to no avail;
8) The traditional bishops announce the convocation of a conclave;
9) Despite the media storm recalling horror stories of the Great Western Schism, Tge conclave takes place;
10) Vigano is elected pope;
11) The shockwave is cause for reflection among the bishops of the world, causing another two dozen to side with Pope Vigano (who has taken the name of Peter II);
12) The only act which Pope Peter II is able to complete before his assassination by Jєωιѕн operatives is to declare all the post-conciliar rites abrogated, and restore the traditional sacraments;
13) Outrage in Catholic circles fuels more defections to supporters of Pope Peter II; another 100 bishops sign on, all of whom submit to conditional ordination/consecration willingly;
14) The conciliar apparatus is caught completely off guard by the swift and unexpected rivalry, while worldwide Judaic and Masonic governments unanimously declare their support for the conciliar occupiers. This meddling in Church affairs has the unexpected effect of further building Catholic resistance, and 50 more bishops sign on with the pope less Resistance.
15) A new conclave is convened, and elects a little known Mexican bishop Pope Peter III.
16) Bloody persecution of the true Catholics is now unleashed worldwide, and the blood of these martyrs assuages Our Lord’s outrage at our infidelity; the true Catholic Church grows, while the conciliar occupiers, losing ground in light of the brutality of their supporters and their connivance with the brutes, begins to diminish;
17) True Catholic priests begin supplanting modernist bishops and priests worldwide;
18) They are backed and supported by the faithful, who, having found their zeal and courage, begin tossing the modernists out of the dioceses, take up arms against the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic forces, and exert enough pressure to eradicate conciliar puppets from most sees;
19) The tables have now turned, and instead of Catholic clergy and militia forces on the run, it is the Hudeo-Masonic agitators and clergy who are now in full retreat.
The trajectory is now lined up for a full restoration.
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Burke would be the last one to kick off this series of events and then declare the See vacant.
To posit that a small handful of bishops could declare a deposition seems to fly in the face of all the arguments that R&R makes against sedevacantism. In order for their declaration to enjoy “universality,” the bishops not joining in here would have to be considered non-Catholic and deposed. Otherwise a minority of bishops would have no authority to declare the See vacant and hold a conclave.
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There’s Catholic prophecy that Our Lord would appear at a conclave to personally designate who should be the Pope. I suspect that Bishop Fellay has a fantasy about himself being this new pope.
Taking it for what it’s worth, the restoration of the Church, I believe, would require direct divine intervention in that, humanly speaking it’s hopeless.
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People have been having this fantasy for half a century now.
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People have been having this fantasy for half a century now.
Well, not with all these details.
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Burke would be the last one to kick off this series of events and then declare the See vacant.
To posit that a small handful of bishops could declare a deposition seems to fly in the face of all the arguments that R&R makes against sedevacantism. In order for their declaration to enjoy “universality,” the bishops not joining in here would have to be considered non-Catholic and deposed. Otherwise a minority of bishops would have no authority to declare the See vacant and hold a conclave.
By all means, troubleshoot my fantasy (it is, after all, only a fantasy).
I chose Burke to lead the charge, in light of his unanswered dubia of a few years ago. According to the fantasy, he is indignant, and taking the next step, makes the announcement of his plans to his brother bishops.
According to this fantasy, after the second convocation (ie., the first was for the bishops to announce the fact of Francis’s heresy; the second was to announce that therefore God has deposed him), we are briefly in a state of sedevacantism; a situation quickly healed by the ɛƖɛctıon of Vigano/Peter II.
In this fantasy, the fact that the heretic pope enjoys universal consent is deliberately disregarded; the Cardinal and bishops are going ahead anyway; initially themselves lacking the universal consent, they eventually acquire enough support themselves to rob Francis of that claim, and finally themselves acquire that universal consent.
But yes, you have spotted the weak spot: Convoking a conclave by a small minority of bishops and cardinals against a pope enjoying universal consent.
It is after all just a fantasy, and not a theological roadmap.
But it was fun to dream, briefly.
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With some reflection and character development, perhaps this would make a good novel?
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With some reflection and character development, perhaps this would make a good novel?
You could write Vigano as a tough no-nonsense character. Something like this for the first attempted assassination:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs
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15) A new conclave is convened, and elects a little known Mexican bishop Pope Peter III.
Viva Cristo Rey!
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You could write Vigano as a tough no-nonsense character. Something like this for the first attempted assassination:
No, you'd have to have another tough, no-nonsense Trad playing bodyguard. There are plenty to choose from.
But it's not fitting for men of God to shed blood. Not even in self-defense, not even against the "end guy", not even in a fantasy.
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Well, ironically, I actually believe that such a conclave as you describe would be legitimate. In such a scenario the true Catholics would recognize that 95% of the NO hierarchy “don’t count” ... because they’re not Catholic. It’s actually one of my criticisms of Universal Acceptance as applied to the V2 papal claimants. Really, the fact that only a half dozen Cardinals/bishops could be found to back the “dubia” tells me all I need to know about most of them.
I’ve heard it said that 90% of the hierarchy went Arian during that crisis. Let’s say the Arians had managed to get one of their own elected pope. If the remaining Catholic hierarchy would then have elected a pope, then he would have been the legitimate pope rather than the Arian. What you describe in your fantasy would be similar to this and I think legitimate.
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No, you'd have to have another tough, no-nonsense Trad playing bodyguard. There are plenty to choose from.
But it's not fitting for men of God to shed blood. Not even in self-defense, not even against the "end guy", not even in a fantasy.
True, but apparently Fr. Adrian Fortescue of liturgical fame once killed a man with a pistol shot in self-defense.
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True, but apparently Fr. Adrian Fortescue of liturgical fame once killed a man with a pistol shot in self-defense.
Right, but that was an exception to the rule. Homicide (even justifiable) was long considered an impediment to the priesthood, although of course it could be dispensed.
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True, but apparently Fr. Adrian Fortescue of liturgical fame once killed a man with a pistol shot in self-defense.
WHAT??! I never heard this. What's the story?
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With some reflection and character development, perhaps this would make a good novel?
Yes. Escapism sells. I'd buy your book.
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No, you'd have to have another tough, no-nonsense Trad playing bodyguard. There are plenty to choose from.
But it's not fitting for men of God to shed blood. Not even in self-defense, not even against the "end guy", not even in a fantasy.
I personally don't like the idea of clerics being involved in killing either, but I can think of at least two Saints who were. St John of Capistrano lead a contingent into battle against the Turks and Pope St. Pius V formed the Holy League and sent them into battle with his blessing. Neither man probably slew another with his own physical hands, but certainly men were killed under their orders.
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Burke would be the last one to kick off this series of events and then declare the See vacant.
To posit that a small handful of bishops could declare a deposition seems to fly in the face of all the arguments that R&R makes against sedevacantism. In order for their declaration to enjoy “universality,” the bishops not joining in here would have to be considered non-Catholic and deposed. Otherwise a minority of bishops would have no authority to declare the See vacant and hold a conclave.
Maybe I'm a bad R&R, but it is precisely because the sedevacantist bishops have pretty much decided to just run their own churches and not do anything about this problem leads me to believe that their position is not legitimate. If the papacy is necessary to Christ Church, and if it has been vacant for 62 years, it is imperative for whatever holy bishops are left to fix the situation, even by an otherwise irregular conclave.
Thus if Sean's scenario were to come to pass, I would very likely believe that it was legitimate. I would see more evidence here that God was behind this, then I do with s e d e right now
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Its the bottom of the 9th two outs two strikes and we are down 10 to 0 and we have are worst player up at bat. Its going to be a great come back. I pray I'm around to see it.
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Maybe I'm a bad R&R, but it is precisely because the sedevacantist bishops have pretty much decided to just run their own churches and not do anything about this problem leads me to believe that their position is not legitimate. If the papacy is necessary to Christ Church, and if it has been vacant for 62 years, it is imperative for whatever holy bishops are left to fix the situation, even by an otherwise irregular conclave.
Certain sedes have elected their own pope, with laughable results (i.e. "pope" michael). Most mainstream sede chapels are correctly acting with prudence and patience. Just because you rightly say that a pope has lost his authority due to heresy does not give you the authority to replace him. Those are 2 different things, both legally and morally.
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Certain sedes have elected their own pope, with laughable results (i.e. "pope" michael). Most mainstream sede chapels are correctly acting with prudence and patience. Just because you rightly say that a pope has lost his authority due to heresy does not give you the authority to replace him. Those are 2 different things, both legally and morally.
In fairness to Peter I don't remember if he specificallt chose the word "sacrilege" and I know it might technically been the wrong word. I know from past convos we disagree on this subject,but if I had said "disrespectful" would you have had the same reaction?
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but if I had said "disrespectful" would you have had the same reaction?
No, because wearing a facemask is not a religious or liturgical act. So it has no bearing on the Mass, or any other aspect of religion.
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WHAT??! I never heard this. What's the story?
“Adrian Fortescue was a stouty built, full-blooded man, of great physical strength and
of true manly virtue in the classical sense. This stood him in good stead during his
journeys to the wild and remote places that he loved so much. Once at least he fought for
his life. On one occasion he was engaged in a hand-to-hand struggle with some fanatical
Albanian soldiers at Hebron, and he and his companions had to fight their way with
bludgeons to their horses and gallop away, in Adrian’s case with a broken collarbone. On a
second occasion the caravan with which he was travelling in Asia Minor, disguised as an
Arab, was attacked by brigands, and in self-defense he killed an assailant with a pistol
shot. He mentioned this incident in a letter to his close friend Father Harold Burton in
1907:
I have just come back from a year spent in Syria, Mesopotamia. Asia Minor & Greece.
I saw many and wonderful things. I rode long days across the great Syrian desert, alone
among Arabs. I stood anong the ruins of strange dead Greek cities in Asia Minor &
slept on the bare earth under broken white columns where Diana of the Ephesians had once
reigned as a mighty god. And I saw forests & climbed mountains and crept through deep
passes in the heart of Asia Minor. I went a pilgriming to the holy places too, said Mass
at the holy sepulchre, spent the night of Maundy Thursday on the Mount of Olives & saw
the Easter sun rise above the golden walls of Herod’s temple. Then there were Damascus,
the slow brown waters of the Euphrates, the orchards of Galilee, Cyprus (a heavenly
island), the tawny pillars of the Athenian Acropolis, the fat plains & strange
Byzantine monasteries of Thessaly; and- far most glorious of all – the line of domes and
minarets, radiant, white & fretted like carved ivory against a hot grey-blue sky, that
crown imperially Constantine’s New Rome by the Bosphorus. So you see I have had a purple
time. I have learned to talk Syrian Arabic quite well & some Turkish. Greek I could
talk already; & now I work at Persian like a horse, greatly hoping to go out again in
a year or two & next time to reach Teheran & Shiraz. Also I made a heap of
drawings and learned much about Mohammedan ideas. But I suffered a great hunger &
thirst & heat, was under fire from robbers & Bedawin several times; once I saved
my life by flight leaving all my baggage to the spoiler, once I shot a man dead (a horrid
memory): I had my shoulder smashed to bits in a fight at Hebron & lay six weeks sorely
sick in the French hospital at Jerusalem, & I nearly died of malarial fever at Aleppo.
Such is the outline. To hear more you must come to see me, as I very much hope you will.
Now I shall not go back to Maldon, but I am to start a new mission at Letchworth in
Hertfordshire – where this new Garden City place is. I an very pleased with the idea
indeed.“
http://unavoce.org/uva-archive/adrian-fortescue-priest-and-scholar/ (http://unavoce.org/uva-archive/adrian-fortescue-priest-and-scholar/)
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No, because wearing a facemask is not a religious or liturgical act. So it has no bearing on the Mass, or any other aspect of religion.
Yeah that's short-sighted IMO, and it can be reduced to absurdity by bringing up other examples where you would obviously agree with me. It's not an intrinsic religious act to wear a bikini for instance, but I think you would consider it more than justified to stay home if the only mass you could attend required women to wear them, (or even worse, men.). Or we could pause it something that would be more obviously a humiliation ritual, such as a priest or government mandating anyone who goes to mass wear a dog collar or something like that.
I honestly find it a bit bewildering that so many trads are so dogmatic about everything else under the sun but they don't even have the slightest bit of care in the world for this kind of societal stuff, but then that has more to do with me than anything else and not something I'm going to further cover in public.
Finally, I'm pretty sure I replied to pax on the wrong thread, because I was multitasking while sending response on my phone. If Matthew wants to move this conversation the threat is supposed to be in I'm certainly okay with that.
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Face masks aren’t immoral. They are a sign of stupidity and communist rule but they are morally neutral things. We are not at the point were wearing them means anything anti-catholic or sinful.
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Its the bottom of the 9th two outs two strikes and we are down 10 to 0 and we have are worst player up at bat. Its going to be a great come back. I pray I'm around to see it.
This is the most profound theological explanation I've ever read of our current ecclesiological situation. :laugh2:
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“Adrian Fortescue was a stouty built, full-blooded man, of great physical strength and
of true manly virtue in the classical sense. This stood him in good stead during his
journeys to the wild and remote places that he loved so much. Once at least he fought for
his life. On one occasion he was engaged in a hand-to-hand struggle with some fanatical
Albanian soldiers at Hebron, and he and his companions had to fight their way with
bludgeons to their horses and gallop away, in Adrian’s case with a broken collarbone. On a
second occasion the caravan with which he was travelling in Asia Minor, disguised as an
Arab, was attacked by brigands, and in self-defense he killed an assailant with a pistol
shot. He mentioned this incident in a letter to his close friend Father Harold Burton in
1907:http://unavoce.org/uva-archive/adrian-fortescue-priest-and-scholar/ (http://unavoce.org/uva-archive/adrian-fortescue-priest-and-scholar/)
He was an amazing man. His father was an Anglican priest who converted during the Oxford Movement. He held three doctorates, he was a polyglot, an author, an expert in calligraphy, an authority in heraldry, and was knowledgeable in many different areas. His direct ancestor was the martyr Blessed Adrian Fortescue.
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It’s a sin to fantasize about violence, you’re falling into Hollywood’s trap. I suggest prayer and contemplation. I’ll be praying that you find peace.
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It’s a sin to fantasize about violence, you’re falling into Hollywood’s trap. I suggest prayer and contemplation. I’ll be praying that you find peace.
Who are you addressing?
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Certain sedes have elected their own pope, with laughable results (i.e. "pope" michael). Most mainstream sede chapels are correctly acting with prudence and patience. Just because you rightly say that a pope has lost his authority due to heresy does not give you the authority to replace him. Those are 2 different things, both legally and morally.
I think for six laypeople to gather in a basement and elect a "pope" is laughable. I think what should happen is, if there really has been no pope since Pius XII, for the sedevacantist bishops and priests to gather together and elect a pope. I don't think it would be "laughable" if all the sede clergy united together and elected a singular candidate for pope. I think that would have to be taken seriously.
That they haven't done so, even for 60+ years, tells me that it is very probable that Francis is in fact a pope, merely a bad one, and that we're stuck with it, and that is ultimately why nobody else can be elected to St Peter's Chair, because Francis is sitting in it.
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Cardinal Burke might threaten to send a new, longer dubia which would so panic Francis, he'd quit the Vatican. :jester:
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Here is another fantasy scenario:
1. The vast majority of bishops and cardinal throughout the world took the killer covid vaccine.
2. The few conservative and traditionally leaning cardinals and bishops did not take the vaccine.
3. In about 3 to 6 months , all the cardinal and bishops that took the vaccine die, including Pope Bergolio , die from the overload of Spike Proteins and blood clots. Pope Benedict also dies, as his handlers injected him also.
4. The few remaining bishops and cardinals, the most of which are conservatives hold a conclave and elect Archbishop Vigano as the new Pope.
5. Almost all the Catholic left in the world, both priest, religious and laity, are those who did not take the killer jab of death and thus easily accepts and cooperate with the new pope's efforts as he restores the Church.
6. Many more good events happen, etc. etc.
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I think for six laypeople to gather in a basement and elect a "pope" is laughable. I think what should happen is, if there really has been no pope since Pius XII, for the sedevacantist bishops and priests to gather together and elect a pope. I don't think it would be "laughable" if all the sede clergy united together and elected a singular candidate for pope. I think that would have to be taken seriously.
That they haven't done so, even for 60+ years, tells me that it is very probable that Francis is in fact a pope, merely a bad one, and that we're stuck with it, and that is ultimately why nobody else can be elected to St Peter's Chair, because Francis is sitting in it.
I would love to see all of the truly Catholic and traditional bishops unite to elect a pope once there is no question to all that the seat is vacant (ie. when Bergoglio and Ratzinger have dropped dead).
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8) The traditional bishops announce the convocation of a conclave;
9) Despite the media storm recalling horror stories of the Great Western Schism, Tge conclave takes place;
10) Vigano is elected pope;
EDIT:
8) Pope Michael makes +Pfeiffer a cardinal (for a fee of course).
9) Cardinal Pfeiffer convokes a conclave at Pfeifferville after consecrating several of his "seminarians" as bishops.
10) +Pfeiffer is unanimously elected pope taking the name Pius XIII.
11) Donations to Mrs. Blaszak's paypal account quadruple overnight as Pope Pfeiffer begins issuing marriage annulments through a website www.petrineprivilege.com
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EDIT:
8) Pope Michael makes +Pfeiffer a cardinal (for a fee of course).
9) Cardinal Pfeiffer convokes a conclave at Pfeifferville after consecrating several of his "seminarians" as bishops.
10) +Pfeiffer is unanimously elected pope taking the name Pius XIII.
11) Donations to Mrs. Blaszak's paypal account quadruple overnight as Pope Pfeiffer begins issuing marriage annulments through a website www.petrineprivilege.com
And what happens to Pablo?
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Impy becomes a man again and goes to the Gobi dessert as a hermit.
Michael Voris becomes a sede-Vacantist when the Opus Dei candidate is not elected.
I stop getting calls from Indian telemarketers because they were all ναccιnαted too. Yippy
Pretty much all the Jєωs in Israel die because their government forced the mRNA ναccιnє on the entire population. If the Jєωs h0Ɩ0cαųsted themselves with their CÖVÌD zeal it would be hard not to laugh.
I guess the remaining Jєωs would be Hassidic as I think they don't take ναccιnєs. The rest of them did.
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Here is another fantasy scenario:
1. The vast majority of bishops and cardinal throughout the world took the killer CÖVÌD ναccιnє.
I doubt those guys got injected with anything, and certainly not the real one.
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Here is another fantasy scenario:
1. The vast majority of bishops and cardinal throughout the world took the killer CÖVÌD ναccιnє.
2. The few conservative and traditionally leaning cardinals and bishops did not take the ναccιnє.
3. In about 3 to 6 months , all the cardinal and bishops that took the ναccιnє die, including Pope Bergolio , die from the overload of Spike Proteins and blood clots. Pope Benedict also dies, as his handlers injected him also.
4. The few remaining bishops and cardinals, the most of which are conservatives hold a conclave and elect Archbishop Vigano as the new Pope.
5. Almost all the Catholic left in the world, both priest, religious and laity, are those who did not take the killer jab of death and thus easily accepts and cooperate with the new pope's efforts as he restores the Church.
6. Many more good events happen, etc. etc.
But if everyone who took the injection is dead, then the world will irrevocably change at that point. You can't lose that large a percentage of the population and everything continue along smoothly without a hiccup. It would be an absolute collapse scenario, the end of life as we know it. No more electricity, Internet, satellites, governments would fall, etc. The world would very quickly become a MUCH larger place. Travelling 50 miles would be a long journey taking hours (by horse or horse-drawn wagon).
It would be worse than the 1800s, because back then you had passenger railroad service. You can't just instantly set up something like that, in the immediate aftermath of a collapse scenario! Even if we *had* passenger rail, it would stop running for quite a while.
Not saying the injection isn't going to maim and kill -- just saying that the collapse needs to be factored into your fantasy, to make it realistic.
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But if everyone who took the injection is dead, then the world will irrevocably change at that point. You can't lose that large a percentage of the population and everything continue along smoothly without a hiccup. It would be an absolute collapse scenario, the end of life as we know it. No more electricity, Internet, satellites, governments would fall, etc. The world would very quickly become a MUCH larger place. Travelling 50 miles would be a long journey taking hours (by horse or horse-drawn wagon).
It would be worse than the 1800s, because back then you had passenger railroad service. You can't just instantly set up something like that, in the immediate aftermath of a collapse scenario! Even if we *had* passenger rail, it would stop running for quite a while.
Not saying the injection isn't going to maim and kill -- just saying that the collapse needs to be factored into your fantasy, to make it realistic.
Good points, however, since it was a fantasy, I was not worried about being realistic.
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Good points, however, since it was a fantasy, I was not worried about being realistic.
Right. Likewise I thought: globalists like Francis probably know enough not to get the real shot. But I didn't mention it, since it is a fantasy.
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Has anyone thought about the prophecies of a very large proportion of the population being wiped out -- preparatory to, or as part of, End Times? And the possibility that such massive deaths could be caused by vaccinations gone awry -- as simply another form of bioterrorism?
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Has anyone thought about the prophecies of a very large proportion of the population being wiped out -- preparatory to, or as part of, End Times? And the possibility that such massive deaths could be caused by vaccinations gone awry -- as simply another form of bioterrorism?
Very possibly, other causes will be the wars and revolutions. But its not part of the end times, but rather the 3 days of darkness and then the restoration of the Church and then the antichrist after the period of peace.
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I doubt those guys got injected with anything, and certainly not the real one.
I think they are just useful idiots and all got the real shots, like all the other personages that think they are on the inside.
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I think for six laypeople to gather in a basement and elect a "pope" is laughable. I think what should happen is, if there really has been no pope since Pius XII, for the sedevacantist bishops and priests to gather together and elect a pope. I don't think it would be "laughable" if all the sede clergy united together and elected a singular candidate for pope. I think that would have to be taken seriously.
That they haven't done so, even for 60+ years, tells me that it is very probable that Francis is in fact a pope, merely a bad one, and that we're stuck with it, and that is ultimately why nobody else can be elected to St Peter's Chair, because Francis is sitting in it.
As we saw with the Great Western Schism, electing new popes to replace doubtful popes just creates more confusion, no matter how legitimate your conclave may appear to be. They had conclaves attended by dozens of cardinals, bishops and patriarchs, and backed by many Catholic princes. They had convincing arguments for the invalidity of each other's elections, with the schism being started in response to an election possibly tainted by duress from a violent mob.. They had councils which solemnly declared the other popes to be notorious heretics and therefore deposed. That would be St. Bellarmine's conditions for papal deposition fulfilled had their councils been legitimate(but then how were they to know for sure either way?). And yet all it achieved was creating more papal claimants and adding more confusion to the schism.
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As we saw with the Great Western Schism, electing new popes to replace doubtful popes just creates more confusion, no matter how legitimate your conclave may appear to be. They had conclaves attended by dozens of cardinals, bishops and patriarchs, and backed by many Catholic princes. They had convincing arguments for the invalidity of each other's ɛƖɛctıons, with the schism being started in response to an ɛƖɛctıon possibly tainted by duress from a violent mob.. They had councils which solemnly declared the other popes to be notorious heretics and therefore deposed. That would be St. Bellarmine's conditions for papal deposition fulfilled had their councils been legitimate(but then how were they to know for sure either way?). And yet all it achieved was creating more papal claimants and adding more confusion to the schism.
hmmmm OK this might be a good excuse for those who take more of a "Sededoubtist" position, like Ladislaus does, or Fr. Jenkins/SSPV or whatnot. Its *NOT* a good reason for those like Bishop Sanborn, etc. who believe there's "definitely" no pope
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It would go like this:
1) In a completely unexpected move, Cardinal Burke declares to the world the fact of Francis’s heresy;
2) He simultaneously declares that he is seeking ratification of that declaration from his fellow cardinals, and especially from the Roman clergy;
3) Vigano immediately backs him, as do a handful of lesser known bishops (eg., Bishops Strickland, Schneider, and all four Resistance bishops).
4) Over the next 30 days, another dozen bishops and Cardinal Sarah jump on board;
5) Burke declares that, in light of the manifest heresies of Francis (he does not yet see the heresies of the other conciliar popes, but it does not matter), the faithful bishops are going to announce the fact of his heresy, and in a second declaration, that God has therefore deposed Francis);
6) Both declarations take place, with only about 2-3 cardinals and 12-18 bishops ratifying;
7)The Lodge and ѕуηαgσgυє go into full battle mode, unleashing their media machine to warn the world of an impending schism from traditionalist rebels, but to no avail;
8) The traditional bishops announce the convocation of a conclave;
9) Despite the media storm recalling horror stories of the Great Western Schism, Tge conclave takes place;
10) Vigano is elected pope;
11) The shockwave is cause for reflection among the bishops of the world, causing another two dozen to side with Pope Vigano (who has taken the name of Peter II);
12) The only act which Pope Peter II is able to complete before his assassination by Jєωιѕн operatives is to declare all the post-conciliar rites abrogated, and restore the traditional sacraments;
13) Outrage in Catholic circles fuels more defections to supporters of Pope Peter II; another 100 bishops sign on, all of whom submit to conditional ordination/consecration willingly;
14) The conciliar apparatus is caught completely off guard by the swift and unexpected rivalry, while worldwide Judaic and Masonic governments unanimously declare their support for the conciliar occupiers. This meddling in Church affairs has the unexpected effect of further building Catholic resistance, and 50 more bishops sign on with the pope less Resistance.
15) A new conclave is convened, and elects a little known Mexican bishop Pope Peter III.
16) Bloody persecution of the true Catholics is now unleashed worldwide, and the blood of these martyrs assuages Our Lord’s outrage at our infidelity; the true Catholic Church grows, while the conciliar occupiers, losing ground in light of the brutality of their supporters and their connivance with the brutes, begins to diminish;
17) True Catholic priests begin supplanting modernist bishops and priests worldwide;
18) They are backed and supported by the faithful, who, having found their zeal and courage, begin tossing the modernists out of the dioceses, take up arms against the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic forces, and exert enough pressure to eradicate conciliar puppets from most sees;
19) The tables have now turned, and instead of Catholic clergy and militia forces on the run, it is the Hudeo-Masonic agitators and clergy who are now in full retreat.
The trajectory is now lined up for a full restoration.
The prequel:
1) Scandalized and indignant by the immoral doctrine suggested in Amoris Laetitia, Cardinal Burke leads a handful of Cardinals to submit a list of “dubia”to Pope Francis;
2) Two years go by without a response, during which time all the issuers of the dubia die except Burke (who is fuming about having been ignored);
3) Meanwhile, a hitherto unknown Italian Archbishop formerly attached to the Vatican diplomatic corps gains international prominence by exposing an alleged coverup of Cardinal McCarrick’s sex crimes, directly implicating the pope. The accusations are so serious, that Vigano feels the need to go into hiding, but strangely, he is speculated to remain somewhere in the vicinity of Rome;
4) Amidst all of this, Francis issues another encyclical of dubious orthodoxy (Fratelli Tutti), causing many conservative cardinals and bishops to secretly question Francis’s orthodoxy, despite maintaining a public veneer of solidarity;
5) But the Italian Archbishop in hiding has had an epiphany; the moral scandal has opened his eyes, and he has begun to reevaluate the orthodoxy of the Second Vatican Council, and drawing a causal relationship between it and the moral corruption he has previously closed;
6) To the shock of Rome, he does not lay his pen down after the McCarrick expose, but expands his criticisms, particularly challenging the doctrinal orthodoxy not only of the Council and post-conciliar docuмents, but also with respect to the person of Francis;
7) The conservative bishops and Cardinals, already shaken by the incessant scandals of Francis, but particularly by the two encyclicals mentioned, are secretly becoming receptive to various doctrinal criticisms made by the Italian Archbishop; he is gaining a handful of Nicodemus’s, and several among the Curia are a hair’s breadth from openly supporting Vigano. Only one more provocation would be needed;
8) And then it comes: Francis releases a direct attack upon the traditional Latin Mass, clearly designed to starve it to liturgical death;
9) Cardinal Burke, after a 3-day fast of bread and water, and night vigils, has found peace, serenity, and an iron fortitude. He sees what needs to be done...
10) Using his connections, he sends out messengers, looking for Vigano, and after a couple weeks finds him;
11) “Your Excellency, the Cardinal says, “Do not leave Rome. I have an idea.”
It is at this point the Fantasy in the OP commences.
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I don’t trust “conservative” novus Ordo.
I don’t trust anyone who consecrated an “it” as a nun. Then doesn’t say or do anything to fix the problem.
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I don’t trust “conservative” novus Ordo.
I don’t trust anyone who consecrated an “it” as a nun. Then doesn’t say or do anything to fix the problem.
I don't trust him either, but to make the fantasy more realistic, I chose him in light of his dubia of a few years ago.
The fantasy is simply an imaginitive way in which we might finally get rid of Francis.
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To colour this scenario in an operatic light…….
At some point in the story, someone donates a hideous statue of a sodo-mite martyr to the Vatican, and Frank installs it into the Sistine chapel.
Then, like The Commendatore in Don Giovanni, the statue comes to life and drags Frank into the depths of Tartarus, rear end first. ;)
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I don’t trust “conservative” novus Ordo.
I don’t trust anyone who consecrated an “it” as a nun. Then doesn’t say or do anything to fix the problem.
Agreed, he seems to be controlled opposition.
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Vigano makes some good points, but the fact that it took him this long to understand the Crisis is strange.
He also still sees Bergoglio as Pope, another red flag