Author Topic: Pope promotes "Assisi" to Japan (Read 2355 times)

Incredulous · « **on:** August 04, 2012, 07:53:52 PM »

By pointing out that the Pope is continuing to break the First Commandment, John Vennari is not playing "The Pope is a good guy" game.

Is Mr. Vennari about to be labeled a "sede-schismatic" ?
Will Father Rostand ban him from all American SSPX chapels?

To see how it plays out... stay tuned to CatholiInfo!

POPE SENDS GREETING TO JAPAN INTERRELIGIOUS EVENT

Reiterates Importance of Religious Leaders' Commitment to Peace

VATICAN CITY, AUG. 3, 2012 (Zent) - The Vatican today released the text of a note Benedict XVI addressed to the Venerable Kojun Handa, supreme priest of the Tendai Buddhist Denomination, for the 25th anniversary of an annual interreligious gathering held at Mount Hiei in Japan.

The brief message notes that the gathering in Asia takes place in the "spirit of the 1986 historic meeting in Assisi promoted by my predecessor Blessed John Paul II."

"The commitment to the cause of peace by religious leaders is of the greatest importance and I am happy to learn that, thanks to your efforts, the Summit on Mount Hiei has become a major annual event that contributes effectively to dialogue between people of different beliefs," Benedict wrote.

He noted the theme of this year's summit -- the response of religious leaders to natural disasters.

"According to the Christian perspective, the love given to those who suffer is a reflection of the divine charity of God who so loved the world that he sent his only Son Jesus Christ," the Pontiff said. "In this sense, my mind turns to the earthquake and tsunami in north-east Japan last year and the harrowing consequences for the whole nation. It was heartening to learn of the effective role of religious leaders in offering hope and support, as well as counsel and solace, to all those suffering."

The Holy Father reflected that the tragedy "shows how people of different beliefs can cooperate with one another for the good of the human person."

The Bishop of Rome concluded the message with a "pledge of goodwill and friendship," and invoking divine blessings upon all the participants.

Comment by J Vennari:

The new ecuмenical orientation, such as maniested in the "Spirit of Assisi" threatens the salvation of countless souls, as it effectively tells non-Catholics to remain in the darkness of their false religions. It also threatens to bring with it a great chastisement.

In the early 20th Century, the eminent European churchman Cardinal Mercier, citing the consistent teaching of the Popes, stated the First World War was actually a punishment for the crime of nations placing the one True Religion on the same level as false creeds (as does the "Spirit of Assisi"). Cardinal Mercier said in his 1918 Pastoral titled "The Lesson of Events":

"In the name of the Gospel, and in the light of the Encyclicals of the last four Popes, Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, and Pius X, I do not hesitate to affirm that this indifference to religions which puts on the same level the religion of divine origin and the religions invented by men in order to include them in the same scepticism is the blasphemy which calls down chastisement on society far more than the sins of individuals and families."

The "Spirit of Assisi" also gives visual expression to the central error of our time: that any religion is good enough for salvation. The world sees the Pope of the Catholic Church, as well as Catholic bishops and clergy, placing the one true Church established by Christ on the same base level as counterfeit religions. This cannot help but foster the religious indifferentism vigorously condemned by the Popes prior to Vatican II. In the face of this affront to the true Faith, Catholics must not be complacent, but must publicly and ceaselessly resist.

On line at: http://www.cfnews.org/page10/page54/page54.html

With brief 2011 Assisi video...

Pope Benedict XVI continues to praise "Spirit of Assisi." How I miss Archbishop Lefebvre who in 1986 said publicly, clearly and correctly of the Assisi meeting: "He who now sits upon the Throne of Peter mocks publicly the first article of the Creed and the first Commandment of the Decalogue. The scandal given to Catholic souls cannot be measured. The Church is shaken to its very foundation.” - JV

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #1 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:14:12 PM »

Mr. Vennari has appeared on the podium at significant SSPX events and conferences - WITH Fr. Rostand.

One expects that even among Europeans the expression, "Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel" has made its own impression.

Incredulous · « **Reply #2 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:27:53 PM »

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Mr. Vennari has appeared on the podium at significant SSPX events and conferences - WITH Fr. Rostand.

One expects that even among Europeans the expression, "Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel" has made its own impression.

Funny!

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #3 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:31:51 PM »

Will the Society be able to offer this kind of criticism of BXVI after a regularization?

That is the key question. We are not talking about criticisms of VCII or Conciliar bishops here, which the Society is lobbying for. We are talking about necessary criticisms of the pope himself!

The Society's position should be that if the pope wants to "regularize" them as is, so be it. However, the Society should state that they will not change one iota because there is nothing to change. That includes calling out Peter like St. Paul did.

If the Society gets regularized at the cost of keeping silent during Assisi IV, then they have sold out Our Lord for 30 pieces of silver.

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #4 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:40:31 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: Anthony Benedict
Mr. Vennari has appeared on the podium at significant SSPX events and conferences - WITH Fr. Rostand.

One expects that even among Europeans the expression, "Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel" has made its own impression.

Funny!

I think Mr. Vennari's hard-earned reputation as a scrupulously fair researcher and writer/editor on behalf of Traditional Catholicism pretty much insures him bullet-proof status. He docuмents all his arguments, which are thoroughly Thomistic, and does not stoop to exaggeration and speculation.

His ground is rock solid and only the unwise would dare gainsay him. As one Traditionalist priest stated, introducing Mr. Vennari to the audience for an address: "Catholic Family News is the most right-on-the-button publication we have."

Someday, one may hope, he will replace the hip, trendy Mr. Vian and turn L'Osservatore Romano back into a Catholic newspaper worthy of the name.

PAT317 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 04, 2012, 09:11:20 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Will the Society be able to offer this kind of criticism of BXVI after a regularization?

They aren't allowed to now.

quote from someone on another forum, just this week:

Quote

This very week, a priest was threatened of expulsion just because he criticized the Pope during last Sunday's sermon. If the priests cannot criticize the Pope now that the agreement has not been signed, what can we expect when the agreement be reached?

Quote from: Incredulous

Pope Benedict XVI continues to praise "Spirit of Assisi." How I miss Archbishop Lefebvre who in 1986 said publicly, clearly and correctly of the Assisi meeting: "He who now sits upon the Throne of Peter mocks publicly the first article of the Creed and the first Commandment of the Decalogue. The scandal given to Catholic souls cannot be measured. The Church is shaken to its very foundation.” - JV

Notice he misses ++AL. I think it is a subtle way of saying, "how come Bishop Fellay doesn't speak out like this?"

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #6 on:** August 04, 2012, 09:14:18 PM »

Pat,

Scary stuff. The Society was one of the last voices crying out in the wilderness against the VCII Popes' acts of apostasy. If they are silenced, we will enter a definite time of darkness in the Church and the world. There will be no hope, humanly speaking.

Incredulous · « **Reply #7 on:** August 04, 2012, 09:41:30 PM »

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Anthony Benedict
Mr. Vennari has appeared on the podium at significant SSPX events and conferences - WITH Fr. Rostand.

One expects that even among Europeans the expression, "Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel" has made its own impression.

Funny!

I think Mr. Vennari's hard-earned reputation as a scrupulously fair researcher and writer/editor on behalf of Traditional Catholicism pretty much insures him bullet-proof status. He docuмents all his arguments, which are thoroughly Thomistic, and does not stoop to exaggeration and speculation.

His ground is rock solid and only the unwise would dare gainsay him. As one Traditionalist priest stated, introducing Mr. Vennari to the audience for an address: "Catholic Family News is the most right-on-the-button publication we have."

Someday, one may hope, he will replace the hip, trendy Mr. Vian and turn L'Osservatore Romano back into a Catholic newspaper worthy of the name.

Yeah, much of that is true... but he has to choose sides in the SSPX crisis. Either he is with the Three Resistance Bishops or with Bp. Fellay.

Mr. Vennari says he doesn't like taking sides, but sitting on the fence is easy and soo... Italian. (e.g., Italy's change from Axis to Allies during WWII).

Either you are with our Lord or you aren't with him.

Either you support a bishop who is willing to compromise Church doctrine or you stand by Holy men who will risk everything to defend it.

I'd like to see CFN's ink-jets start to print reems of newspaper stories in support of Bp. Williamson, Bp. Tissier de Mallarais and Bp de Galaretta.
Their defense of +ABL's position is where the real traditional Catholic news is now.

Mr. Vennari's consiliar scandal articles are his mainstay, but they've
become rather predictable, tired and boring.

Maria Elizabeth · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2012, 01:45:35 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: Anthony Benedict
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Anthony Benedict
Mr. Vennari has appeared on the podium at significant SSPX events and conferences - WITH Fr. Rostand.

One expects that even among Europeans the expression, "Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel" has made its own impression.

Funny!

I think Mr. Vennari's hard-earned reputation as a scrupulously fair researcher and writer/editor on behalf of Traditional Catholicism pretty much insures him bullet-proof status. He docuмents all his arguments, which are thoroughly Thomistic, and does not stoop to exaggeration and speculation.

His ground is rock solid and only the unwise would dare gainsay him. As one Traditionalist priest stated, introducing Mr. Vennari to the audience for an address: "Catholic Family News is the most right-on-the-button publication we have."

Someday, one may hope, he will replace the hip, trendy Mr. Vian and turn L'Osservatore Romano back into a Catholic newspaper worthy of the name.

Yeah, much of that is true... but he has to choose sides in the SSPX crisis. Either he is with the Three Resistance Bishops or with Bp. Fellay.

Mr. Vennari says he doesn't like taking sides, but sitting on the fence is easy and soo... Italian. (e.g., Italy's change from Axis to Allies during WWII).

Either you are with our Lord or you aren't with him.

Either you support a bishop who is willing to compromise Church doctrine or you stand by Holy men who will risk everything to defend it.

I'd like to see CFN's ink-jets start to print reems of newspaper stories in support of Bp. Williamson, Bp. Tissier de Mallarais and Bp de Galaretta.
Their defense of +ABL's position is where the real traditional Catholic news is now.

Mr. Vennari's consiliar scandal articles are his mainstay, but they've
become rather predictable, tired and boring.

I disagree.

Mr. Vennari was publishing articles (online), pointing out the dangers of "merging" with Rome, well before the General Chapter Meeting -- and he has continued to publish these types of articles. If he had been on the "sell out" side, he would never have printed any of those articles. Everything would have been "profound unity".

Mr. Vennari also supports Fr. Gruner. (Mr. Vennari was a key speaker at Fr. Gruner's latest "Consecration, Your Last Chance" convention in Rome in May.) And Bishop Williamson said in one of his videos that Fr. Gruner supports the three bishops' stance.

Mr. Vennari is solidly Traditional; non compromising, and deserves our support. (His print newspaper is struggling in this day of online news.)

Incredulous · « **Reply #9 on:** August 06, 2012, 03:07:13 PM »

Quote from: Maria Elizabeth

Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Anthony Benedict
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Anthony Benedict
Mr. Vennari has appeared on the podium at significant SSPX events and conferences - WITH Fr. Rostand.

One expects that even among Europeans the expression, "Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel" has made its own impression.

Funny!

I think Mr. Vennari's hard-earned reputation as a scrupulously fair researcher and writer/editor on behalf of Traditional Catholicism pretty much insures him bullet-proof status. He docuмents all his arguments, which are thoroughly Thomistic, and does not stoop to exaggeration and speculation.

His ground is rock solid and only the unwise would dare gainsay him. As one Traditionalist priest stated, introducing Mr. Vennari to the audience for an address: "Catholic Family News is the most right-on-the-button publication we have."

Someday, one may hope, he will replace the hip, trendy Mr. Vian and turn L'Osservatore Romano back into a Catholic newspaper worthy of the name.

Yeah, much of that is true... but he has to choose sides in the SSPX crisis. Either he is with the Three Resistance Bishops or with Bp. Fellay.

Mr. Vennari says he doesn't like taking sides, but sitting on the fence is easy and soo... Italian. (e.g., Italy's change from Axis to Allies during WWII).

Either you are with our Lord or you aren't with him.

Either you support a bishop who is willing to compromise Church doctrine or you stand by Holy men who will risk everything to defend it.

I'd like to see CFN's ink-jets start to print reems of newspaper stories in support of Bp. Williamson, Bp. Tissier de Mallarais and Bp de Galaretta.
Their defense of +ABL's position is where the real traditional Catholic news is now.

Mr. Vennari's consiliar scandal articles are his mainstay, but they've
become rather predictable, tired and boring.

I disagree.

Mr. Vennari was publishing articles (online), pointing out the dangers of "merging" with Rome, well before the General Chapter Meeting -- and he has continued to publish these types of articles. If he had been on the "sell out" side, he would never have printed any of those articles. Everything would have been "profound unity".

Mr. Vennari also supports Fr. Gruner. (Mr. Vennari was a key speaker at Fr. Gruner's latest "Consecration, Your Last Chance" convention in Rome in May.) And Bishop Williamson said in one of his videos that Fr. Gruner supports the three bishops' stance.

Mr. Vennari is solidly Traditional; non compromising, and deserves our support. (His print newspaper is struggling in this day of online news.)

But... why won't Mr. Vennari come out and support the Three Bishops?

For that matter, did CFN ever print a positive article on Msgr. Williamson?

Msgr. Fellay is allying himself with Rome, and coincidentally, he's been buying advertising from CFN, since 2009.

Bp. Fellay claimed in his Menzingen movie that he trust the Pope, and has implied in his letter to the Three Bishops they have a "schismatic" spirit.
Rubbish!

Mr. Vennari is giving Msgr Fellay a "free pass"...while Msgr. Fellay maneuvers to make the SSPX part of newChurch.

finegan · « **Reply #10 on:** August 06, 2012, 08:23:35 PM »

I also feel that Mr. Vennari is hedging his bets. His columns hold an "implied" criticism of the pro-accord position, but that's no longer good enough. The ship is taking on water, and it's time for all hands to grab a bucket and pitch in 100 percent. CFM remains solidly pro-Tradition, but it has not taken an official position (that I'm aware of) on the pending agreement with Rome. This is an unsustainable approach. Sooner or later, we will all be called upon to stand our ground -- one way or another.

My gut tells me that Mr. Vennari will come down on the right side of history when it's all said and done, but for now, we desperately need his clear and unwavering voice in support of the three heroic bishops.

Incredulous · « **Reply #11 on:** August 06, 2012, 09:04:01 PM »

Quote from: finegan

I also feel that Mr. Vennari is hedging his bets. His columns hold an "implied" criticism of the pro-accord position, but that's no longer good enough. The ship is taking on water, and it's time for all hands to grab a bucket and pitch in 100 percent. CFM remains solidly pro-Tradition, but it has not taken an official position (that I'm aware of) on the pending agreement with Rome. This is an unsustainable approach. Sooner or later, we will all be called upon to stand our ground -- one way or another.

My gut tells me that Mr. Vennari will come down on the right side of history when it's all said and done, but for now, we desperately need his clear and unwavering voice in support of the three heroic bishops.

Finegan... I love you!

Belloc · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2012, 12:07:42 PM »

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Mr. Vennari has appeared on the podium at significant SSPX events and conferences - WITH Fr. Rostand.

One expects that even among Europeans the expression, "Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel" has made its own impression.

so, now we go back and tar-feather those that have done this?

Since the split has this occured? is it possible his appearance for other reasons?

Belloc · « **Reply #13 on:** August 07, 2012, 12:09:55 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: Anthony Benedict
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Anthony Benedict
Mr. Vennari has appeared on the podium at significant SSPX events and conferences - WITH Fr. Rostand.

One expects that even among Europeans the expression, "Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel" has made its own impression.

Funny!

I think Mr. Vennari's hard-earned reputation as a scrupulously fair researcher and writer/editor on behalf of Traditional Catholicism pretty much insures him bullet-proof status. He docuмents all his arguments, which are thoroughly Thomistic, and does not stoop to exaggeration and speculation.

His ground is rock solid and only the unwise would dare gainsay him. As one Traditionalist priest stated, introducing Mr. Vennari to the audience for an address: "Catholic Family News is the most right-on-the-button publication we have."

Someday, one may hope, he will replace the hip, trendy Mr. Vian and turn L'Osservatore Romano back into a Catholic newspaper worthy of the name.

Yeah, much of that is true... but he has to choose sides in the SSPX crisis. Either he is with the Three Resistance Bishops or with Bp. Fellay.

Mr. Vennari says he doesn't like taking sides, but sitting on the fence is easy and soo... Italian. (e.g., Italy's change from Axis to Allies during WWII).

Either you are with our Lord or you aren't with him.

Either you support a bishop who is willing to compromise Church doctrine or you stand by Holy men who will risk everything to defend it.

I'd like to see CFN's ink-jets start to print reems of newspaper stories in support of Bp. Williamson, Bp. Tissier de Mallarais and Bp de Galaretta.
Their defense of +ABL's position is where the real traditional Catholic news is now.

Mr. Vennari's consiliar scandal articles are his mainstay, but they've
become rather predictable, tired and boring.

either or and forced to chose....how Bushite....... :dwarf:

Belloc · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2012, 12:12:16 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: Maria Elizabeth
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Anthony Benedict
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Anthony Benedict
Mr. Vennari has appeared on the podium at significant SSPX events and conferences - WITH Fr. Rostand.

One expects that even among Europeans the expression, "Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel" has made its own impression.

Funny!

I think Mr. Vennari's hard-earned reputation as a scrupulously fair researcher and writer/editor on behalf of Traditional Catholicism pretty much insures him bullet-proof status. He docuмents all his arguments, which are thoroughly Thomistic, and does not stoop to exaggeration and speculation.

His ground is rock solid and only the unwise would dare gainsay him. As one Traditionalist priest stated, introducing Mr. Vennari to the audience for an address: "Catholic Family News is the most right-on-the-button publication we have."

Someday, one may hope, he will replace the hip, trendy Mr. Vian and turn L'Osservatore Romano back into a Catholic newspaper worthy of the name.

Yeah, much of that is true... but he has to choose sides in the SSPX crisis. Either he is with the Three Resistance Bishops or with Bp. Fellay.

Mr. Vennari says he doesn't like taking sides, but sitting on the fence is easy and soo... Italian. (e.g., Italy's change from Axis to Allies during WWII).

Either you are with our Lord or you aren't with him.

Either you support a bishop who is willing to compromise Church doctrine or you stand by Holy men who will risk everything to defend it.

I'd like to see CFN's ink-jets start to print reems of newspaper stories in support of Bp. Williamson, Bp. Tissier de Mallarais and Bp de Galaretta.
Their defense of +ABL's position is where the real traditional Catholic news is now.

Mr. Vennari's consiliar scandal articles are his mainstay, but they've
become rather predictable, tired and boring.

I disagree.

Mr. Vennari was publishing articles (online), pointing out the dangers of "merging" with Rome, well before the General Chapter Meeting -- and he has continued to publish these types of articles. If he had been on the "sell out" side, he would never have printed any of those articles. Everything would have been "profound unity".

Mr. Vennari also supports Fr. Gruner. (Mr. Vennari was a key speaker at Fr. Gruner's latest "Consecration, Your Last Chance" convention in Rome in May.) And Bishop Williamson said in one of his videos that Fr. Gruner supports the three bishops' stance.

Mr. Vennari is solidly Traditional; non compromising, and deserves our support. (His print newspaper is struggling in this day of online news.)

But... why won't Mr. Vennari come out and support the Three Bishops?

For that matter, did CFN ever print a positive article on Msgr. Williamson?

Msgr. Fellay is allying himself with Rome, and coincidentally, he's been buying advertising from CFN, since 2009.

Bp. Fellay claimed in his Menzingen movie that he trust the Pope, and has implied in his letter to the Three Bishops they have a "schismatic" spirit.
Rubbish!

Mr. Vennari is giving Msgr Fellay a "free pass"...while Msgr. Fellay maneuvers to make the SSPX part of newChurch.

I suggest a good scenario

Vennari hop a plane, fly to Switzerland and beat the tar out of Fellay......happy now? or are we stil lwhite-knuckled?

yes, I know, already violating my own policy....ma culpa, I am a fallen human...