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Offline Everlast22

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Re: Pope Francis has died
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2025, 10:37:48 AM »
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  • I find it interesting how Vance visited Francis yesterday right before he died.

    https://apnews.com/article/pope-vance-us-migration-c9fc577cabff138de7bd8026133994fc
    Vance is a closeted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, too. Fitting.

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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #31 on: April 21, 2025, 10:59:03 AM »
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  • We are all well aware God will judge us when we die..

    He was objectively not a legit pope, so please call him Bergolio, despite him sitting in Rome. I honestly don't hope apostate heretics RIP. This is modernist BS
    I don't think we have any more than a remote understanding of how truly terrible the torments of eternal damnation are..and while I believe in the general rule of "how you live is how you die", and while bergoglio did live as a vicious, heretic anti-Christ..I do not think any Catholic should wish or hope for even the most vile sinner to be eternally damned. We have to think, hell is a choice. Everyone who is damned chose Hell, they chose evil..Catholics cannot not wish for anyone to choose evil.
     Now of course, God's will is perfect and just so the damnation of any soul should be lauded (I believe I have read that the saints do indeed rejoice when someone is damned insofar as their damnation is a result of God's justice..someone correct me if I am wrong), but the Church Militant cannot be certain of anyone's damnation (aside from Judas), and cannot wish for anyone to sin (in this case, choosing Hell)
    If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you [John 15:108


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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #32 on: April 21, 2025, 11:03:10 AM »
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  • I don't think we have any more than a remote understanding of how truly terrible the torments of eternal damnation are..and while I believe in the general rule of "how you live is how you die", and while bergoglio did live as a vicious, heretic anti-Christ..I do not think any Catholic should wish or hope for even the most vile sinner to be eternally damned. We have to think, hell is a choice. Everyone who is damned chose Hell, they chose evil..Catholics cannot not wish for anyone to choose evil.
     Now of course, God's will is perfect and just so the damnation of any soul should be lauded (I believe I have read that the saints do indeed rejoice when someone is damned insofar as their damnation is a result of God's justice..someone correct me if I am wrong), but the Church Militant cannot be certain of anyone's damnation (aside from Judas), and cannot wish for anyone to sin (in this case, choosing Hell)
    Right, I pray he converted. I can do that, and that's all I'll do.

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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #33 on: April 21, 2025, 11:41:07 AM »
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  • Not buying that one.  Looked a lot like him yesterday when he mumbled a few words.  Basically, I'm not seeing a cui bono for all that effort to keep him a live.  Do you have one to offer?  And is there evidence he was replaced?  As you know, I'm open to conspiracy theories, but if they don't have a credible cui bono it's a non-starter.  Did he even do anything for the last few weeks or months while this "double" was in place?  What would have been accomplished by it?

    I agree. I'm not one to shy away from more-reasonable alternate hypotheses about various major events, or "conspiracy theories" as the CIA dubbed them --

    But they have to be reasonable. Just grasping onto any theory because it's counter-culture, contrarian, or shocking is just stupid.
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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #34 on: April 21, 2025, 11:48:16 AM »
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  • Meditate on Matthew 28:11-15:


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    11 Who when they were departed, behold some of the guards came into the city, and told the chief priests all things that had been done. 12 And they being assembled together with the ancients, taking counsel, gave a great sum of money to the soldiers, 13 Saying: Say you, His disciples came by night, and stole him away when we were asleep. 14 And if the governor shall hear this, we will persuade him, and secure you. 15 So they taking the money, did as they were taught: and this word was spread abroad among the Jews even unto this day.

    The plan of the Jews was to deceive people into believing that Jesus and his disciples faked the Resurrection. They paid the guards to make up a false story. The truth, of course, is that Jesus died a publicly verifiable death on the Cross and was Resurrected a few days later.

    The Antichrist will do the exact opposite. He will deceive people into believing that he died when he actually did not die. There will be no publicly verifiable death like the death of Jesus on the Cross. Rather, Antichrist will pretend to die so that he can claim to be resurrected.

    Hildegard on the Antichrist’s pretended death

    From Scivias:

    But I [the Antichrist] will die for you and to your glory, and rise again from death; and so I will deliver my people from Hell, that you may live gloriously with me in my kingdom, as that deceiver [Jesus] pretended He had done before." And he will tell his beloved ones to run him through with a sword and wrap him in a clean shroud, until the day of his resurrection. And he will delude them into thinking they are killing him, and so they will fulfill his commands. Then he will pretend to rise again, and bring out a writing as if for the salvation of souls, which is really a dire curse. And he will give this to people for a sign and command them to adore him. And if any person of faith refuses for love of My name, he will kill that person in great suffering and torture. And thus all who see and hear this will be struck with great wonder and doubtful amazement, as My beloved John shows... (Scivias, Book III, Vision 11, 31).

    From Book of Divine Works:

    For so too will he [the Antichrist] pretend to die, as if to redeem his people by his death, and to raise himself up again to return to life. He will also have an inscription written upon the foreheads of his followers, through which to introduce into them every evil, as too the ancient serpent, after deceiving humankind, kept them captive by stoking them with lust. Through that scripture he will inspire them by magical craft to oppose baptism and the Christian name, so that they will not desire to leave him, and all will style themselves after him, just as Christians are named after Christ. (The Fathers of the Church, Mediaeval Continuation, Volume 18. St. Hildegard Von Bingen, The Book of Divine Works. Pages 469, Part III, Vision 5, Chapter 31).

    Please be aware that they recently changed the papal funeral procedures. In the past, the uncovered face was displayed publicly on top of the catafalque in St. Peter's Basilica. The purpose of the public display of the face of the Pope was to prove to all interested parties that the Pope had actually died before the start of the next conclave.

    But now the body will be placed inside the wooden casket and the face will be covered with "a plain white cloth." Why this change? Why would they cover his face? Do not be deceived.


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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #35 on: April 21, 2025, 12:22:49 PM »
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  • From Book of Divine Works:

    For so too will he [the Antichrist] pretend to die, as if to redeem his people by his death, and to raise himself up again to return to life. He will also have an inscription written upon the foreheads of his followers, through which to introduce into them every evil, as too the ancient serpent, after deceiving humankind, kept them captive by stoking them with lust. Through that scripture he will inspire them by magical craft to oppose baptism and the Christian name, so that they will not desire to leave him, and all will style themselves after him, just as Christians are named after Christ. (The Fathers of the Church, Mediaeval Continuation, Volume 18. St. Hildegard Von Bingen, The Book of Divine Works. Pages 469, Part III, Vision 5, Chapter 31).

    Please be aware that they recently changed the papal funeral procedures. In the past, the uncovered face was displayed publicly on top of the catafalque in St. Peter's Basilica. The purpose of the public display of the face of the Pope was to prove to all interested parties that the Pope had actually died before the start of the next conclave.

    But now the body will be placed inside the wooden casket and the face will be covered with "a plain white cloth." Why this change? Why would they cover his face? Do not be deceived.


    Not gonna lie, this is firmly in WTF territory.

    Not saying that Pope Francis was/is the Antichrist, but what the heck man? Why the sudden change of Papal funerary customs?
    Is there a single explanation/excuse for this?

    Jorge Bergoglio/Pope Francis was not killed in a fire or bomb explosion, or gunshot(s) to the head. There is NO excuse for a closed casket.
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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #36 on: April 21, 2025, 12:48:25 PM »
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  • What if I don't believe in any way that the Elmer Fudd look-a-like fake pope was/is THE Antichrist - will I be deceived? I mean don't you think the Antichrist would have carried himself with more composure? Would he have not spoken eloquently, instead of spouting the theology of an addle-brained nincompoop? Would not the Spirit of Satan in him have kept him from looking like such a ridiculous buffoon. I mean shouldn't he be a "smooth talker", refined, and universally admirable man? Even many Prots and Orthos disliked Jorge... Just saying. One can pray that God may have interiorly illuminated Jorge as to his many grievous sins against the faith and gifted him with true contrition, but he externally showed no sign of repentance, so I am not holding my breath on this one.


     




       






    I find the idea of this man being THE Antichrist amusing. In fact, I find such a notion so incredulous that even if "he was to rise from the dead" I could, I should think, do nothing but surmise that Satan was the dumbest fool ever created instead of the greatest pure intelligence. I mean, "Come on Luci, this is what you were waiting for all this time?" It in truth, would be the second greatest act of general mercy God ever performed, if he allows Jorge to be proven THE Antichrist by allowing him to "rise" - as droves of millions would easily see through it. They hated him before, and they would hate him even more after.
    Yea, I don't believe he was the "anti-christ" either, however, I'll stand by this time that, he did have a double.  It's been done before in history many times from what I've read. Not necessarily a pope, but kings queens, important people, etc. The Vatican and those close to the current "pope", are all in on it, and can easily explain away if they get "caught" with a double. I mean they do unspeakable things there to begin with so, to me.. it's not that left field.

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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #37 on: April 21, 2025, 01:19:09 PM »
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  • What if I don't believe in any way that the Elmer Fudd look-a-like fake pope was/is THE Antichrist - will I be deceived? I mean don't you think the Antichrist would have carried himself with more composure? Would he have not spoken eloquently, instead of spouting the theology of an addle-brained nincompoop? Would not the Spirit of Satan in him have kept him from looking like such a ridiculous buffoon. I mean shouldn't he be a "smooth talker", refined, and universally admirable man? Even many Prots and Orthos disliked Jorge... Just saying. One can pray that God may have interiorly illuminated Jorge as to his many grievous sins against the faith and gifted him with true contrition, but he externally showed no sign of repentance, so I am not holding my breath on this one.


     




       






    I find the idea of this man being THE Antichrist amusing. In fact, I find such a notion so incredulous that even if "he was to rise from the dead" I could, I should think, do nothing but surmise that Satan was the dumbest fool ever created instead of the greatest pure intelligence. I mean, "Come on Luci, this is what you were waiting for all this time?" It in truth, would be the second greatest act of general mercy God ever performed, if he allows Jorge to be proven THE Antichrist by allowing him to "rise" - as droves of millions would easily see through it. They hated him before, and they would hate him even more after.

    And the Jews said that Jesus was not "the Christ" because he didn't fit the profile based on their interpretation of the OT prophecies.

    They expected a powerful King that would finally smite all the enemies of Israel and put the Jews in control of the world government. 

    Instead, what they saw was a poor man with a following of some fishermen, a few publicans, and a mixed group of women that included a notorious sinner.

    No, the doctors and the scribes were not going to be deceived by a false prophet like Jesus. They were way too smart for that. And, to this day, the Jews think their ancestors were correct to reject Jesus and put Him to death for claiming to be God.

    Similarly, the Antichrist is not what most "educated" Christians think he is. Here is a description:


    Description of the Antichrist in St. Hildegard von Bingen (1173 AD)

    The Antichrist will indeed be infused by the devil when he opens his mouth to teach perversity, as described above. He will destroy all that God established with the ancient and the new law, and he will assert that sɛҳuąƖ immorality and other like things are not sins at all. For he will claim that it is not a sin if flesh heats up flesh, just as it is not a sin if a person warms himself by the fire. He will also assert that all commandments concerning chastity were made in ignorance, for since one person may be hot but another cold, they ought to moderate one another with their heat and cold.

    And again he will say to the faithful, 

    “Your law of sɛҳuąƖ restraint was established contrary to the way of nature. Is a person not supposed to be hot, when his very breath is a fire that kindles his whole body? How could he keep his cool when it’s against his nature? Conversely, what reason could a person have to refuse to offer warmth to another’s flesh? For that man who you say is your master gave you a law that goes beyond measure when he bid you to live in such a way. But I say, embrace these two paths of hot and cold, and keep each other in your warm embrace! Consider that the man just mentioned gave you unjust commands, for despite his order that people not embrace one another with such warmth, they still maintained the nature of their flesh. So see here and do not be misled any longer by an unjust teaching, for with me you get to do whatever you want or not. Your master did not set before you correct propositions; he wanted you to be like a spirit that is unbound by the flesh and cannot physically do anything. But that’s not how naturally-born human flesh was created; rather it’s flooded and formed by fire, because if human children weren’t created in that way, they wouldn’t be capable of physical action. So know then what you really are! For your first teacher deceived you and didn’t help you in anything. But I inspire you really to learn about yourselves and to know what you are, for I created you, and I am completely in all things. In assigning all his works to another, meanwhile, that one spoke nothing on his own because he couldn’t do anything on his own. But I speak for myself, and I can do all things by myself.”

    With these words and others like them, that wretched son of perdition will mislead people, teaching them to live according to the flesh’s fiery appetite and to achieve their flesh’s every want--despite the fact that both the old and the new law encourage humans to chastity in such a way that chastity does not surpass its proper measure.

    The Fathers of the Church, Mediaeval Continuation, Volume 18. St. Hildegard Von Bingen, The Book of Divine Works. Pages 466-467, Part III, Vision 5, Chapter 30 (in part).

    Sound familiar? Does that sound like some geo-political leader's words? Or the words of a heretic Antipope? How would the Antichrist be able to "mislead" Catholics ("the elect") into believing that "that all commandments concerning chastity were made in ignorance?"

    Connect the dots. Put 2 and 2 together and throw out your prejudices about what the Antichrist will "look like."



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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #38 on: April 21, 2025, 01:19:56 PM »
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  • A double? For what purpose? He was always a commie modernist cut from the masonic cloth of Vatican II even as a young "priest". While I understand that someone might make that claim about Montini (as this may help someone "explain" what happened back then) I just don't see it here. They have had 12 years to plan who the next fake pope will be, and Jorge stacked the deck in their favor.
    Like I said before, I believe it has to do with their timing. If their guy "quits"/"dies" before they are ready, they need a back up. Figureheads are still very important today. They pretend they are in charge when, someone is pulling the strings. If the figurehead is missing, people start asking questions.

    The current Vatican isn't just filled with good-to-do misled men who are apostates/Heretics/Modernists... They are in bed with the SOS, Jews, WEF, etc., working with them to piece the puzzle of their plan. Don't know the nitty gritty, but they are deceiving on purpose. They are not ignorant of the gravity of their soul crushing leadership. 

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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #39 on: April 21, 2025, 01:21:14 PM »
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  • From WM Review:

    Francis is dead, RIP - The WM Review

    Are we all sedevacantists now?

    We are about to hear the same joke a thousand times: “We're all sedevacantists now.”

    How funny. But no, “we're” not. Sedevacantism is predicated not just on a vacant see, but the Church's teaching on the papacy and her own constitution.

    Many who are chortling about how "we're sedevacantists now" do not accept this doctrine and theology, which is why they will swiftly accept whoever is elected—even “Pope Susan.”

    I responded on X to that post as follows ...
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    So what you're saying is that we're all sedevacantists now materialiter but not formaliter ... so the expression "we're all sedes now" is true secundum quid, id est, materialiter.

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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #40 on: April 21, 2025, 02:05:06 PM »
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  • Please consider that only Jesus will judge the souls, ultimately, so learn your catechism.
    Pope Francis I, R.I.P. + Did he die on Easter? I thought it was Monday at 7 :35 Rome local time.

    Not to nitpick, but an ordinal number would not be used unless (God forbid) there were a "Francis II".

    I know Pope John Paul I adopted this of his own choosing (kind of ominous when you think about it), but that was quirky.  Not sure why he did that.


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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #41 on: April 21, 2025, 02:33:48 PM »
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  • As terrible as Bergoglio was JPII still has my vote for the worst heretic in the history of the Church.

    100% ... and he did a thousand times more harm.

    Jorge was so brazen and open about it that anyone who had a Catholic cell left in his body recognized him for who he was, and he unmasked the truce face of the Conciliar Church ... whereas Wojtyla and Ratzinger fooled many.

    If you look at the EWTN types, you could listen to hours of their radio programming and think you were listening to Traditional Catholics ... until they start talking about non-Catholic religions, and whether non-Catholics can be saved and the Sacraments are necessary for salvation.  Then the wheels come off and they're absolutely heretical and openly Pelagian.

    Because Wojtyla held the line on Catholic morals ... well, pretended to, because he paid lip service to it but did absolutely nothing to back it up ... and because he was a convincing actor who made sure to be photographed within 20 yards of a statue of Our Lady and holding a rosary, and as a result many considered him to be a saint and a paragon of orthodoxy, he was able to poison many otherwise-well-meaing Catholics with his heresies.  Wojtyla was the greatest religious indifferentist ever to sit on the chair, making Bergoglio's "Pachamama" episode seems like childsplay.  Trad, Inc. were outraged by that, but Wojtyla's activities put that to shame.

    Wojtyla poisoned the dogmatic theology of nearly all "conservative" Catholics.  Then Bergoglio came in to finish off moral theology.

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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #42 on: April 21, 2025, 02:56:34 PM »
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  • 100% ... and he did a thousand times more harm.

    Jorge was so brazen and open about it that anyone who had a Catholic cell left in his body recognized him for who he was, and he unmasked the truce face of the Conciliar Church ... whereas Wojtyla and Ratzinger fooled many.

    If you look at the EWTN types, you could listen to hours of their radio programming and think you were listening to Traditional Catholics ... until they start talking about non-Catholic religions, and whether non-Catholics can be saved and the Sacraments are necessary for salvation.  Then the wheels come off and they're absolutely heretical and openly Pelagian.

    Because Wojtyla held the line on Catholic morals ... well, pretended to, because he paid lip service to it but did absolutely nothing to back it up ... and because he was a convincing actor who made sure to be photographed within 20 yards of a statue of Our Lady and holding a rosary, and as a result many considered him to be a saint and a paragon of orthodoxy, he was able to poison many otherwise-well-meaing Catholics with his heresies.  Wojtyla was the greatest religious indifferentist ever to sit on the chair, making Bergoglio's "Pachamama" episode seems like childsplay.  Trad, Inc. were outraged by that, but Wojtyla's activities put that to shame.

    Wojtyla poisoned the dogmatic theology of nearly all "conservative" Catholics.  Then Bergoglio came in to finish off moral theology.
    Not to mention that it was under Wojtyla that the seminaries became absolutely infested with sodomites and kid touchers. He promoted so many bishops and cardinals that protected those criminals that JPII deserved a man of the century award from NAMBLA. Then he sold off properties like hospitals, schools, parishes to pay off the billions in settlements for the victims. JPII's church issued destroyed tens of thousands of marriages with easy and bogus annulments.  
    Don't even get me started about the crooks he placed in charge of the Vatican banks, like Archbishop Marcinkus, in launder mafia money.

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    Re: Pope Francis has died
    « Reply #43 on: April 21, 2025, 03:47:49 PM »
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  • Not to nitpick, but an ordinal number would not be used unless (God forbid) there were a "Francis II".

    I know Pope John Paul I adopted this of his own choosing (kind of ominous when you think about it), but that was quirky.  Not sure why he did that.
    Probably to get ahead of arguments about whether or not he should be numbered with the other Pope Johns.

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