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Pope Francis attacks Trad Catholic again
« on: October 24, 2016, 07:25:15 PM »
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    Francis-Bergoglio Loses It in His Sunday "Homily"

    He Launches Foul-mouthed Slanders against Traditional Catholics
    Those True Catholics Who Follow Christ's Doctrine:
    "If You Love Me, Keep My Commandments" (John 14:15/DRV)
    The Marxist pope Has Now Added "Arrogant" to the Twenty Other Slanders
    That He Has Already Uttered against True Catholics



    Francis-Bergoglio devoted his October 23, 2016, Novus Ordo "homily" to an attack upon traditional Catholics. The foul-mouthed Newpope, who loves Muslims, Jєωs, and Buddhists, renewed his past attacks against traditional Catholics once again.

    It is remarkable that this man, who is so lovey-dovey toward infidels, pagans, and even atheists hates true Catholics with a passion that burns like the fires of Hell within him. Well, perhaps it is not so remarkable. He is a Marxist after all, and that is how Marxists attack those who respect God, Tradition, Truth, and Justice.

    Bergoglio is essentially attacking his Lord Jesus Christ again, the God Whom he feigns to represent. Those true Catholics who follow Christ's doctrine: "If you love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15/DRV), Bergoglio calls "arrogant." Bergoglio is thereby calling Christ "arrogant," verging into blasphemy once again. [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the Vatican Information Service.]

    True Catholics, now Francis-Bergoglio has added "arrogant" to the list of twenty slanders against true Catholics that he has already uttered: "closed in the past, doctrinaire, Donatist, fundamentalist, hypocritical, ideologue, idolater, legalistic, neurotic, obsessed, obstinate, Pelagian, pietistic, rebellious, restorationist, rigid, rigorous, ritualistic, scary, self-absorbed". And this is the man that the demented Bernie Fellay of the Neo-SSPX thinks is going to welcome into the New Order sect?!



               "The Pope must have been referring to trads outside the SSPX?"

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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Pope Francis attacks Trad Catholic again
    « Reply #1 on: October 24, 2016, 07:36:23 PM »
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  • Well, certainly, Bishop Fellay wants to make the distinction stark and profound, between "trads" who are inside and "outside the SSPX."

    In any event, his choice of words is noteworthy, since "outside" has a traditional ring to it, no?

    Both of these men are trying real hard to rub our faces in something, to shame us for our faith.

    Can you imagine Francis looking like this when scolding the Lutherans or the Jєωs?

     

    Oh, right.  I forgot.  He doesn't scold Lutherans or Jєωs.

    Wait a minute, isn't this still the "Year of Mercy?"  
    Whatever happened to his "excludes no one" church?

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    Francis-Bergoglio Loses It in His Sunday "Homily"


    Just for the record, a "homily" is supposed to be centered on and a development of the Gospel and its message.  

    If you wish you had been there remember you would have to understand Spanglish.

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    « Reply #2 on: October 24, 2016, 08:11:04 PM »
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  • What did Francis actually say?
    "There's a mix of passion and shortsightedness in me, even when I'm positive that I'm doing my very best to see things for what they are, that warns me that I'll never know for sure. Undoubtedly I must follow the truth I can see, I have no choice and I must live on; but that is for me only, not to impose on others." - Fr. Leonardo Castellani

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    « Reply #3 on: October 24, 2016, 08:21:56 PM »
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  • "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    « Reply #4 on: October 24, 2016, 09:04:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: reconquest
    What did Francis actually say?


    Who cares? He sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher to me.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    « Reply #5 on: October 24, 2016, 09:57:57 PM »
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  • Some of Traditio's posts must  be coming from the outlandish election campaign claims in the US. Because I hate intellectual dishonesty I did the homework on this for my own interest. Here is what he said yesterday:

    Italian Original Text from Vatican Website



    He didn't depart from the text in any place - I bothered (for once) to watch the whole thing and read the text along with it.

    Here is the English translation:

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    The words of the Pope at the Angelus, 10/23/2016

    [B0758]

    before the Angelus

    After the Angelus

    At 12 of the Holy Father Francis today appeared at the window of the study in the Vatican Apostolic Palace to pray the Angelus with the faithful and pilgrims gathered in St. Peter's Square for the usual Sunday appointment.
    These are the words of the Pope in introducing the Marian prayer:

    before the Angelus

    Dear brothers and sisters, good morning!

    The second reading of today's liturgy presents to us the exhortation of St. Paul to Timothy, his collaborator and beloved son, in whom thinks back to his own existence as an Apostle totally consecrated to the mission (cf. 2 Tm 4,6-8.16-18). Seeing now near the end of his earthly journey, describes it in reference to three seasons: the present, the past, the future.

    The present , interprets it with the metaphor of sacrifice: "I am to be poured on offer" (v. 6). As for the past , Paul points his past life with images of "good fight" and "race" of a man that was consistent with their commitments and responsibilities (cf. v. 7); consequently, for the future is confident recognition from God, who is "righteous judge" (v. 8). But Paul's mission was effective, just and true only thanks to the closeness and strength of the Lord, which made him a preacher of the Gospel to all peoples. Here is his expression: "The Lord stood by me and gave me strength, so the message might be fully proclaimed for all the Gentiles might hear it" (v. 17).

    In this autobiographical account of St. Paul mirrors the Church, especially today, World Mission Sunday , with the theme "Missionary Church, a witness of mercy". Paul in the Christian community finds its model in the belief that it is the presence of the Lord to make effective the apostolic work and the work of evangelization. The experience of the Apostle of the Gentiles reminds us that we must engage in pastoral and missionary activities, on the one hand, as if the result depended on our efforts, with the spirit of sacrifice that the athlete does not stop even in the face of defeats; the other, however, knowing that the true success of our mission is a gift of grace: it is the Holy Spirit who makes it effective the Church's mission in the world.

    Today is a time of mission and it is time of courage! Courage to strengthen the tottering steps, to take the taste of spend themselves for the Gospel, to regain confidence in the strength that mission brings. It is time of courage, although courage does not mean having no guarantee of success. Is required of us the courage to fight, not necessarily to win; to announce, not necessarily to convert. Is required of us the courage to be alternative in the world, but never becoming argumentative or aggressive. Is required of us the courage to be open to all, never belittle the absoluteness and uniqueness of Christ, the one Saviour of all. We are required courage to stand up to unbelief, without becoming arrogant. There is also required the courage of the publican in today's Gospel, who with humility not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying: "O God, be merciful to me a sinner." Today is time of courage! Today it takes courage!

    The Virgin Mary, model of the Church "outgoing" and docile to the Holy Spirit, help us to be all, by virtue of our baptism, missionary disciples to bring the message of salvation to the whole human family.

    [01696-IT.02] [Original text: Italian]

    After the Angelus

    In these dramatic hours, they are close to the entire population of Iraq, especially that of the city of Mosul. Our hearts are shocked by the heinous acts of violence that for too long are being committed against innocent citizens, whether Muslims, Christians are, they belong to other ethnic groups and religions. I was saddened to hear news of the killing in cold blood of many children of that beloved land, including many children. This cruelty makes us cry, leaving us speechless. The word solidarity is accompanied by the assurance of my remembrance in prayer so that Iraq, while suffering, both strong and firm in hope of moving toward a future of security, reconciliation and peace. So I ask all of you to join me in prayer, in silence.

    [Silence, then recites the Hail Mary]

    Dear Brothers and Sisters,

    I greet with affection all of you, pilgrims from Italy and various countries, starting from the Poles, who remember here in Rome and in their homeland 1050 anniversary of the presence of Christianity in Poland.

    I welcome the participants of the jubilee of Choral of Italy, the runners from Assisi representing the Italian Pro Loco, and the youth of the Confraternity of the Diocese of Italy.

    Then there are groups of faithful from many Italian parishes: I can not greet them one by one, but I encourage them to persevere on their journey of faith. A special thought goes to the Peruvian community of Rome, he gathered here with the sacred image of the Señor de los Milagros .

    All thank you and greet you with affection. Have a nice Sunday! And please, do not forget to pray for me. Good lunch and goodbye!

    [01697-IT.02] [Original text: Italian]

    [B0758-XX.02]


    If anything the message was the complete opposite of how it was characterized.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 24, 2016, 10:56:11 PM »
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  • The OP refers to the "homily" of Francis.  That would be a sermon, in the context of Mass (Newmass) and in reference to the Gospel of that liturgy.  

    What you have below is not in context of any liturgy, but rather in the context of the Angelus, an appearance of the Pope at the window of the Apostolic Palace study.  That's not a homily.

    And there is no assurance that the photo leading the hit-piece is really from this same event.

    It seems to me that Traditio is employing the word "homily" just to garner aversion in readers who harbor contempt for this newfangled word.  Traditionally, we say "sermon" but now Novus Ordo venues use "homily" more often.  A homily is a (type of) sermon but a sermon is not (necessarily) a homily.  All homilies are sermons but not all sermons are homilies.  While the Pope mentions the readings of the day at the start of this speech he immediately segues into his message for today's relevance and how we interact with each other.

    Quote from: curioustrad
    Some of Traditio's posts must  be coming from the outlandish election campaign claims in the US. Because I hate intellectual dishonesty I did the homework on this for my own interest. Here is what he said yesterday:

    Italian Original Text from Vatican Website



    He didn't depart from the text in any place - I bothered (for once) to watch the whole thing and read the text along with it.

    Here is the English translation:

    Quote
    The words of the Pope at the Angelus, 10/23/2016

    [B0758]

    before the Angelus

    After the Angelus

    At 12 of the Holy Father Francis today appeared at the window of the study in the Vatican Apostolic Palace to pray the Angelus with the faithful and pilgrims gathered in St. Peter's Square for the usual Sunday appointment.

    These are the words of the Pope in introducing the Marian prayer:

    before the Angelus

    Dear brothers and sisters, good morning!

    The second reading of today's liturgy presents to us the exhortation of St. Paul to Timothy, his collaborator and beloved son, in whom thinks back to his own existence as an Apostle totally consecrated to the mission (cf. 2 Tm 4,6-8.16-18). Seeing now near the end of his earthly journey, describes it in reference to three seasons: the present, the past, the future.

    The present , interprets it with the metaphor of sacrifice: "I am to be poured on offer" (v. 6). As for the past , Paul points his past life with images of "good fight" and "race" of a man that was consistent with their commitments and responsibilities (cf. v. 7); consequently, for the future is confident recognition from God, who is "righteous judge" (v. 8). But Paul's mission was effective, just and true only thanks to the closeness and strength of the Lord, which made him a preacher of the Gospel to all peoples. Here is his expression: "The Lord stood by me and gave me strength, so the message might be fully proclaimed for all the Gentiles might hear it" (v. 17).

    In this autobiographical account of St. Paul mirrors the Church, especially today, World Mission Sunday , with the theme "Missionary Church, a witness of mercy". Paul in the Christian community finds its model in the belief that it is the presence of the Lord to make effective the apostolic work and the work of evangelization. The experience of the Apostle of the Gentiles reminds us that we must engage in pastoral and missionary activities, on the one hand, as if the result depended on our efforts, with the spirit of sacrifice that the athlete does not stop even in the face of defeats; the other, however, knowing that the true success of our mission is a gift of grace: it is the Holy Spirit who makes it effective the Church's mission in the world.

    Today is a time of mission and it is time of courage! Courage to strengthen the tottering steps, to take the taste of spend themselves for the Gospel, to regain confidence in the strength that mission brings. It is time of courage, although courage does not mean having no guarantee of success. Is required of us the courage to fight, not necessarily to win; to announce, not necessarily to convert. Is required of us the courage to be alternative in the world, but never becoming argumentative or aggressive. Is required of us the courage to be open to all, never belittle the absoluteness and uniqueness of Christ, the one Saviour of all. We are required [to have] courage to stand up to unbelief, without becoming arrogant. There is also required the courage of the publican in today's Gospel, who with humility not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying: "O God, be merciful to me a sinner." Today is time of courage! Today it takes courage!

    The Virgin Mary, model of the Church "outgoing" and docile to the Holy Spirit, help us to be all, by virtue of our baptism, missionary disciples to bring the message of salvation to the whole human family.

    [01696-IT.02] [Original text: Italian]

    After the Angelus

    In these dramatic hours, they are close to the entire population of Iraq, especially that of the city of Mosul. Our hearts are shocked by the heinous acts of violence that for too long are being committed against innocent citizens, whether Muslims, Christians are, they belong to other ethnic groups and religions. I was saddened to hear news of the killing in cold blood of many children of that beloved land, including many children. This cruelty makes us cry, leaving us speechless. The word solidarity is accompanied by the assurance of my remembrance in prayer so that Iraq, while suffering, both strong and firm in hope of moving toward a future of security, reconciliation and peace. So I ask all of you to join me in prayer, in silence.

    [Silence, then recites the Hail Mary]

    Dear Brothers and Sisters,

    I greet with affection all of you, pilgrims from Italy and various countries, starting from the Poles, who remember here in Rome and in their homeland 1050 anniversary of the presence of Christianity in Poland.

    I welcome the participants of the jubilee of Choral of Italy, the runners from Assisi representing the Italian Pro Loco, and the youth of the Confraternity of the Diocese of Italy.

    Then there are groups of faithful from many Italian parishes: I can not greet them one by one, but I encourage them to persevere on their journey of faith. A special thought goes to the Peruvian community of Rome, he gathered here with the sacred image of the Señor de los Milagros.

    All thank you and greet you with affection. Have a nice Sunday! And please, do not forget to pray for me. Good lunch and goodbye!

    [01697-IT.02] [Original text: Italian]

    [B0758-XX.02]

    If anything the message was the complete opposite of how it was characterized.


    Just about the only thing in the quoted Traditio page that is accurate is the lone word, "arrogant," but the setting, the context and the message (along with the attached photo?!) are basically off-topic.  He didn't say that trads are arrogant.  What he said was that we (Catholics?) should not be arrogant while we stand up to unbelief.  

    If we take his example as a cue, he would be showing us to be very friendly toward atheists, but is that clearly "standing up to unbelief?"  We might ask ourselves how his apparent familiarity and congeniality with unbelievers has anything to do with standing up to unbelief. Maybe he thinks that his curiously novel behavior requires "courage" and this is only arrived at through humility?!

    Then he seems to say that to be humble means to have courage.  Recall how when he was first elected he was characterized by the world's mainstream media as being "humble."  Is he trying to lead by his example?

    Good lunch and goodbye!   :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #7 on: October 25, 2016, 12:07:32 AM »
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  • This is actually good.
    Let's take a 3rd look at the logic of the Pope's writer's homily:

    Today is a time of mission and it is time of courage! Courage to strengthen the tottering steps, to take the taste of spend themselves for the Gospel, to regain confidence in the strength that mission brings. 1.[/b] It is time of courage, although courage does not mean having no guarantee of success. Is required of us the courage to fight, not necessarily to win; to announce, not necessarily to convert. [/color]
    2.[/b] Is required of us the courage to be alternative in the world, but never becoming argumentative or aggressive. Is required of us the courage to be open to all, never belittle the absoluteness and uniqueness of Christ, the one Saviour of all.[/color] 3 We are required [to have] courage to stand up to unbelief, without becoming arrogant. There is also required the courage of the publican in today's Gospel, who with humility not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying: "O God, be merciful to me a sinner." Today is time of courage! Today it takes courage!

    1. Why Courage to fight? Because the Blessed Mother has already won over the devil.

    2. Be an alternative to what... other religions ?  Why would being "aggressive for the faith, mean being arrogant or belittling Christ the One Saviour of All"?  On the contrary, being passive with all other religions, belittles Christ's death on the Cross.

    3. The Pope's writers made a complete mix-up on the Publican theme.  He was humble for his sins, but would fought to the death for his Faith.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi