Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica  (Read 6928 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline AntiFellayism

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 233
  • Reputation: +799/-0
  • Gender: Male
Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
« on: March 19, 2013, 02:47:26 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Pope Francis has given his full support to the request of Cardinal Comastri in regards to having a Tridentine Mass at  St. Perter's Basilica.


    Une heureuse nouvelle : le Cœtus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм annonce une deuxième édition du pèlerinage à Rome du « peuple Summorum Pontificuм », en octobre et la célébration d’une messe pontificale à Saint-Pierre de Rome à la veille de la fête du Christ- Roi. Voici le communiqué du CISP :

    LE PEUPLE SUMMORUM PONTIFIcuм DE RETOUR À ROME

    POUR LA CLÔTURE DE L’ANNÉE DE LA FOI

    Le Cœtus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм (CISP) est heureux d’annoncer qu’il conclura l’Année de la Foi comme il l’a commencée : par un pèlerinage Ad Petri Sedem.

    Après le succès spirituel du pèlerinage 2012, le peuple Summorum Pontificuм se donne à nouveau rendez-vous à Rome pour témoigner l’éternelle jeunesse de la liturgie traditionnelle sur le Tombeau de l’Apôtre. Le CISP entend ainsi participer à l’harmonie et à l’édification de l’Église universelle, dans la docilité à l’action du Saint-Esprit.

    Pour répondre à l’encouragement à « seguir adelante » (continuer à aller de l’avant) que lui avait adressé à l’issue du pèlerinage de novembre le cardinal Cañizares Llovera, Préfet de la Congrégation pour le Culte divin, le CISP avait demandé, en début d’année, la disponibilité de la basilique Saint-Pierre à son archiprêtre, le cardinal Angelo Comastri. Ce 14 mars, le cardinal Comastri a confirmé la disponibilité de la basilique samedi 26 octobre prochain, à 11 heures, pour la célébration solennelle qui sera le temps fort du pèlerinage.

    Le Cœtus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм remercie le cardinal Comastri pour son hospitalité et invite tous les groupes liés à la forme extraordinaire du rite romain à se préparer dès à présent par la prière au pèlerinage et à s’associer activement à son organisation.

    *

    Constitué en juillet dernier, le Cœtus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм est l’organisateur du pèlerinage du peuple Summorum Pontificuм – prêtres diocésains ou de communautés, séminaristes, religieux et fidèles attachés à la liturgie traditionnelle – à Rome. Cette année, il est piloté par un comité constitué de : Giuseppe Capoccia, délégué général ; Guillaume Ferluc, secrétaire général ; Abbé Claude Barthe, aumônier. Le Conseiller Giuseppe Capoccia, haut-fonctionnaire italien, succède au Conseiller Riccardo Turrini Vita devenu, le 31 décembre 2012, juge de la Cour d’appel de l’État de la Cité du Vatican.



    http://www.riposte-catholique.fr/summorum-pontificuм-blog/communique-summorum/messe-pontificale-traditionnelle-a-saint-pierre-de-rome-le-26-octobre-2013#.UUi8TI49zH3


    Non Habemus Papam


    Offline AntiFellayism

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 233
    • Reputation: +799/-0
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #1 on: March 19, 2013, 02:48:46 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0

  • Non Habemus Papam


    Offline Emerentiana

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1420
    • Reputation: +1194/-17
    • Gender: Female
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #2 on: March 19, 2013, 02:56:27 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • This man is throwing a bone to the traditionalists, and setting the trap for the Neo SSPX

    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #3 on: March 19, 2013, 03:27:56 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • As Archbishop Di Noia stated

    Quote
    “This is a new concept which we know the Traditionalists will not be able to accept immediately. Convincing them will take time, and in this respect we will have to be patient.”


    They want to change the thinking. It's an easy thing to do. Once for example, I was getting a lift home and the lad trying driving and I were talking about how Catholics often disagree about attending the Mass. He disliked the SSPX for telling people not to attend the Indult.

    Mass like this seems attractive. The Papal 'approval' makes it more attractive but it is a trap, a trick and not goodwill.

    Offline John Grace

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5521
    • Reputation: +121/-6
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #4 on: March 19, 2013, 03:42:58 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I initially thought Benedict XVI and Summorum Pontificuм were fantastic but I didn't see the bigger picture. I don't share that view now. In 2005, I was pleased that Benedict XVI was elected. By 2008, I was "Pope bashing" on a train with my "future wife". *A friend was trying to get us married but I didn't regard her as pro-SSPX. (for another thread)


    Offline Stubborn

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 13823
    • Reputation: +5568/-865
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #5 on: March 19, 2013, 03:59:44 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: John Grace
    I initially thought Benedict XVI and Summorum Pontificuм were fantastic but I didn't see the bigger picture. I don't share that view now. In 2005, I was pleased that Benedict XVI was elected. By 2008, I was "Pope bashing" on a train with my "future wife". *A friend was trying to get us married but I didn't regard her as pro-SSPX. (for another thread)



    We have not been able to trust the modernist NOers for 50 years. Any gesture toward tradition should rightfully be met with suspicion first and foremost - always. This is no different.

    No way can they be trusted with the TLM while it's mockery remains the OF.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 8212
    • Reputation: +7173/-7
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #6 on: March 19, 2013, 09:35:12 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Pope St. Pius X warned us about modernists who do something Traditional one minute and then something liberal the next.

    Francis fits that description well.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline Sede Catholic

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1306
    • Reputation: +1038/-6
    • Gender: Male
    • PRAY "...FOR THE CHURCH OF DARKNESS TO LEAVE ROME"
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #7 on: March 19, 2013, 09:42:19 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Francis obviously just wants to seem a bit Catholic sometimes, to deceive those who accept him as "pope".

    That is why he makes empty, ineffective, gestures like this.

    If he had any genuine good will for the Traditional Latin Mass, he would ban the Novus Ordo, get himself validly ordained, and then celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass in the Vatican.  

    But Francis I won't do any of that, because he detests the true Faith.




    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV


    Offline Neil Obstat

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18177
    • Reputation: +8276/-692
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #8 on: March 20, 2013, 05:15:06 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Sede Catholic
    Francis obviously just wants to seem a bit Catholic sometimes, to deceive those who accept him as "pope".

    That is why he makes empty, ineffective, gestures like this.

    If he had any genuine good will for the Traditional Latin Mass, he would ban the Novus Ordo, get himself validly ordained, and then celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass in the Vatican.  

    But Francis I won't do any of that, because he detests the true Faith.



    I know where you're coming from, SC, but I'm sorry to disagree.  For one,
    it is not entirely fair for any of us to presume to know that someone else
    "detests the true Faith."  And when you hold that as a foundational principle,
    then you will derive all manner of opinions as a result of it.  

    The problem is the heresy of Modernism.  It is an infectious disease of the
    spirit that is rooted in a philosophical error.  When you tamper with the most
    basic principles of thought, you are asking for trouble, and that is what
    Modernism does.  

    We are all subject to its wiles and schemes even if we don't know it, because
    one of the symptoms of the disease is that you don't know you are infected.

    Pope Francis is infected with Modernism, just as you and I are, and with the
    experience he has been through in the Church over the past 50 years, there
    is no wonder that he would be all the more unaware of his infection.  

    But there is more to this.  What about Our Lady?  The first official act Pope
    Francis did was to make a personal pilgrimage down the street in Rome (it
    only takes a few minutes when you live in the Vatican and have a car), to
    the basilica of St. Mary Major, where he went inside and knelt to pray before
    the icon of the Virgin Mother of God that was painted by the hand of St. Luke
    the Evangelist, the physician and artist who wrote the third Synoptic Gospel.
    If you don't know about St. Mary Major, it is the oldest church in the world
    dedicated to Our Lady, and rests on the foundation that was laid out by a
    miraculous snowfall in the heat of Roman summer, thus the Feast Day we
    still have today, Our Lady of the Snows.

    Are you going to say that Our Lady cannot effect a change in the heart of a
    man?  She can put down a pattern for the foundation of a church with snow
    in 100+ degree weather, but she can't melt the coldness of a man's heart?  

    What Pope Francis needs is prayers, yours and mine and all of ours.  It's up
    to us, because God doesn't hear the prayers of heretics.  So if we don't pray
    for the Pope and we sit around waiting for heretics to pray for him, we are
    no better than they are!  


    Stew on that for a while.





    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

    Offline TKGS

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5768
    • Reputation: +4621/-480
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #9 on: March 20, 2013, 07:09:33 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I thought that priests didn't need permission or "support" or approval or anything like that to say the traditional Mass.

    Offline Francisco

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1150
    • Reputation: +843/-18
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #10 on: March 20, 2013, 08:07:42 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: TKGS
    I thought that priests didn't need permission or "support" or approval or anything like that to say the traditional Mass.


    You are correct. This could be  PR stunt to show the world the Traditionalist side of Francis.


    Offline Iuvenalis

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1344
    • Reputation: +1126/-2
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #11 on: March 20, 2013, 12:38:45 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • But will H.H. Francis I *say* the TLM *himself*?

    Offline roscoe

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 7610
    • Reputation: +617/-404
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #12 on: March 20, 2013, 01:45:37 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: AntiFellayism
    Pope Francis has given his full support to the request of Cardinal Comastri in regards to having a Tridentine Mass at  St. Perter's Basilica.


    Une heureuse nouvelle : le Cœtus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм annonce une deuxième édition du pèlerinage à Rome du « peuple Summorum Pontificuм », en octobre et la célébration d’une messe pontificale à Saint-Pierre de Rome à la veille de la fête du Christ- Roi. Voici le communiqué du CISP :

    LE PEUPLE SUMMORUM PONTIFIcuм DE RETOUR À ROME

    POUR LA CLÔTURE DE L’ANNÉE DE LA FOI

    Le Cœtus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм (CISP) est heureux d’annoncer qu’il conclura l’Année de la Foi comme il l’a commencée : par un pèlerinage Ad Petri Sedem.

    Après le succès spirituel du pèlerinage 2012, le peuple Summorum Pontificuм se donne à nouveau rendez-vous à Rome pour témoigner l’éternelle jeunesse de la liturgie traditionnelle sur le Tombeau de l’Apôtre. Le CISP entend ainsi participer à l’harmonie et à l’édification de l’Église universelle, dans la docilité à l’action du Saint-Esprit.

    Pour répondre à l’encouragement à « seguir adelante » (continuer à aller de l’avant) que lui avait adressé à l’issue du pèlerinage de novembre le cardinal Cañizares Llovera, Préfet de la Congrégation pour le Culte divin, le CISP avait demandé, en début d’année, la disponibilité de la basilique Saint-Pierre à son archiprêtre, le cardinal Angelo Comastri. Ce 14 mars, le cardinal Comastri a confirmé la disponibilité de la basilique samedi 26 octobre prochain, à 11 heures, pour la célébration solennelle qui sera le temps fort du pèlerinage.

    Le Cœtus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм remercie le cardinal Comastri pour son hospitalité et invite tous les groupes liés à la forme extraordinaire du rite romain à se préparer dès à présent par la prière au pèlerinage et à s’associer activement à son organisation.

    *

    Constitué en juillet dernier, le Cœtus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм est l’organisateur du pèlerinage du peuple Summorum Pontificuм – prêtres diocésains ou de communautés, séminaristes, religieux et fidèles attachés à la liturgie traditionnelle – à Rome. Cette année, il est piloté par un comité constitué de : Giuseppe Capoccia, délégué général ; Guillaume Ferluc, secrétaire général ; Abbé Claude Barthe, aumônier. Le Conseiller Giuseppe Capoccia, haut-fonctionnaire italien, succède au Conseiller Riccardo Turrini Vita devenu, le 31 décembre 2012, juge de la Cour d’appel de l’État de la Cité du Vatican.



    http://www.riposte-catholique.fr/summorum-pontificuм-blog/communique-summorum/messe-pontificale-traditionnelle-a-saint-pierre-de-rome-le-26-octobre-2013#.UUi8TI49zH3




    Pope?????? Francis
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

    Offline Stubborn

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 13823
    • Reputation: +5568/-865
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #13 on: March 20, 2013, 03:15:11 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Neil Obstat

     

    But there is more to this.  What about Our Lady?  The first official act Pope
    Francis did was to make a personal pilgrimage down the street in Rome (it
    only takes a few minutes when you live in the Vatican and have a car), to
    the basilica of St. Mary Major, where he went inside and knelt to pray before
    the icon of the Virgin Mother of God that was painted by the hand of St. Luke
    the Evangelist, the physician and artist who wrote the third Synoptic Gospel.
    If you don't know about St. Mary Major, it is the oldest church in the world
    dedicated to Our Lady, and rests on the foundation that was laid out by a
    miraculous snowfall in the heat of Roman summer, thus the Feast Day we
    still have today, Our Lady of the Snows.


    Are you going to say that Our Lady cannot effect a change in the heart of a
    man?  She can put down a pattern for the foundation of a church with snow
    in 100+ degree weather, but she can't melt the coldness of a man's heart?



    And for 50 years this wonderful church and statue have been repeatedly defiled, subjected to the modernist's heresies and sacrilegious religion masquerading as the Catholic religion.

    I mean c'mon Neil, certainly Our Lady can effect change - and through Her intercession we know that She will certainly do just that some day, but in the mean time, don't lose sight of reality...................there is only one Chosen Vessel of Election and that was St. Paul - unless you honestly have reason to believe that this pope will be the beneficiary of the same grace, (and other than having the hope of such a thing, this pope has not given anyone the slightest reason to have any such hope), hence you have no real reason to believe that such a miracle will happen.

    All it takes is a stroke of his pen to show Our Lord and Lady that he wants to do what is right and THEN we can hope Our Lady will effect change - until then, the only signs we have to go by so far is that our pope is another modernist pope who needs our prayers desperately - same as the other conciliar popes - and like all things modernist, we cannot follow him in error - and we cannot allow ourselves to be taken in by his devotion to Our Lady - after all, wasn't JP2 wholly devoted to Her as well - Luminous mysteries and all.

    All we can guess is that ultimately, the devotion was insincere, which is why Our Lady did not effect change in JP2 - or we might surmise that Our Lady actually did effect JP2 to some degree or he would have been an even worse pope.

     

    Quote from: Neil Obstat

    What Pope Francis needs is prayers, yours and mine and all of ours.  It's up
    to us, because God doesn't hear the prayers of heretics.  So if we don't pray
    for the Pope and we sit around waiting for heretics to pray for him, we are
    no better than they are!  


    Yes, it is our duty is to pray for the pope, but we can never drop our guard when it comes to the disease of modernism - it is, after all, what it is - and please correct me if I'm wrong but by now, after 50 years of half lies, we should know better and have no business giving them the benefit of the doubt.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline TKGS

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5768
    • Reputation: +4621/-480
    • Gender: Male
    Pope Francis approved Tridentine Mass at St. Peters Basilica
    « Reply #14 on: March 20, 2013, 03:33:40 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: roscoe
    Pope?????? Francis


    roscoe got me thinking.  I don’t read French so I assumed that the news release actually said what the opening post said it meant.  It turns out that it does not.  Running the text through Google Translate, I found that the press release actually says:

    Quote
    Good news: the Coetus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм announces second edition of pilgrimage to Rome "people Summorum Pontificuм" in October and the celebration of a Pontifical Mass at St. Peter's in Rome on the eve of the feast of Christ the King . Here is the press CISP:

    Summorum Pontificuм PEOPLE BACK IN ROME

    FOR THE END OF THE YEAR OF FAITH

    The Coetus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм (CISP) is pleased to announce that it will conclude the Year of Faith as it began: with a pilgrimage Ad Petri Sedem.

    After the success of the spiritual pilgrimage in 2012, the people of Summorum Pontificuм will give new appointment to Rome to witness the eternal youth of the traditional liturgy of the tomb of the Apostle. The IPSC intends to participate in the harmony and the building of the universal Church, docile to the action of the Holy Spirit.

    To answer the encouragement to "seguir adelante" (keep moving forward) addressed to him at the end of November pilgrimage Cardinal Cañizares Llovera, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, the ICPC had asked , earlier this year, the availability of the Basilica of St. Peter in his archpriest Cardinal Angelo Comastri. On 14 March, Cardinal Comastri has confirmed the availability of the Basilica next Saturday, October 26 at 11 am, for the solemn celebration that will be the highlight of the pilgrimage.

    The Coetus Summorum Pontificuм Internationalis Cardinal Comastri thank for its hospitality and invites all groups linked to the extraordinary form of the Roman rite to prepare now by prayer and the pilgrimage to be actively involved in its organization.

    *

    Established in July, the Coetus Internationalis Summorum Pontificuм is organizing the pilgrimage of the people Summorum Pontificuм - diocesan priests or communities, seminarians, religious and faithful who adhere to the traditional liturgy - in Rome. This year, it is controlled by a committee consisting of: Giuseppe Capoccia, managing director, William Ferluc, Secretary General; Abbé Claude Barthe, chaplain. Advisor Giuseppe Capoccia, senior official Italian Riccardo Turrini succeeds Councillor Vita became, December 31, 2012, Judge of the Court of Appeal of the State of Vatican City.


    This news release doesn’t suggest anywhere that Francis has “given his full support” to the celebration of the traditional Mass in St. Peter’s.  As far as I can discern, it appears that the availability of an altar was checked and reserved.  Francis may or may not even be aware of this action and may or may not intervene.  But this is hardly giving his “full support”.

    Suggesting that this news release is Francis giving his “full support” is like suggesting President Obama is giving his full support to a particular committee that has checked to see if a conference room is available and, finding it free, has reserved the committee for a meeting.  The president may or may not even be aware of the committee, let alone giving his “full support” for the committee.  Likewise, I think it premature and even dishonest to suggest, based on this news release, that Francis has done anything regarding this particular matter.