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Pope Francis and his Hebrew Brothers
« on: January 29, 2019, 11:45:28 PM »
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  • Fresh off the ‘drukn’ — The Bible of Friendship




    La Bibbia dell’Amicizia: Brani della Torah/Pentateuco commentati da ebrei e cristiani (The Friendship Bible: Passages of the Torah/Pentateuch commented on by Jєωs and Christians)


     
     This past Thursday a new book, ‘La Bibbia dell’Amicizia: Brani della Torah/Pentateuco commentati da ebrei e cristiani’ (The Friendship Bible: Passages of the Torah / Pentateuch commented on by Jєωs and Christians), hit the shelves in Italian bookstores.  (CMJ’s note: The тαℓмυdic Jєωs and the Novus Ordo freely use the words Torah, Tanakh, Hebrew Bible and pretend that they are the same as the Pentateuch or the first five books of the Old Testament.) It’s being published by Edizioni San Paolo, a publishing house connected to the Society of St. Paul.  The book has two editors, — Marco Cassuto Morselli, president of Amicizia ebraico-cristiana di Roma (Jєωιѕн-Christian friendship in Rome) and editor of Italian editions of works by Elia Benamozegh, Jules Isaac, André Chouraqui, Cecil Roth, Aimé Pallière, Moshe Idel, Jiri Langer and Barukh Spinoza,  — and Fr. Giulio Michelini, Francis’ retreat master of 2017, who is immersed in all things тαℓмυdic, and looks to the rabbis to explain the Christian religion. The book also has two prefaces, the first by Francis, and the second by Rabbi Abraham Skorka.  This is not the only time Skorka appears in the volume, he also appears in a featured commentary.  The book has original introductions to each of the five books of the Hebrew Bible and is followed by thirty-five passages from the Hebrew Bible with exegesis.  In his preface, Francis stresses that there is much to learn from the Hebrew Bible.  One small problem is that the collection of books which this ‘Friendship Bible’ is based off, were not assembled until after Jesus ascended into heaven and Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans.  The compiler Akiba ben Yosef (aka Rabbi Akiva) drew up the canon which would became the Tanakh in A.D. 95.  He believed that the messiah wasn’t Jesus the Christ but a man named Bar Kochba.  In his Torah he included the rabbi created Halakahic laws and set out to destroy the credibility of the Gospels.  This text ultimately became the Hebrew Bible or Masoretic Text when it was codified by Aaron Ben Asher in the A.D. 10th century and was latter given the stamp of sacred authorization by none other than the anti-Catholic, Maimonides! Coincidentally, the book was released on the Novus Ordo’s Italian religious feast Day of Judaism which takes place on 17 January every year since 1990.  This day was so chosen because it sets a тαℓмυdic tone for the Novus Ordo’s Week of Prayer for Christian Unity (18-25 January). Below are translated excerpts from the two prefaces by Francis and Skorka.  The prefaces can be found online in the original Italian Servizio comune all’umanità (Francis) and Antropologia di Dio (Skorka’s is incomplete), L'Osservatore Romano, Anno CLIX n. 12 (48.040), mercoledì 16 gennaio 2019, pagina 11 (click here).  They can also be found here (Francis) and here (Skorka complete).
     
     
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    Francis’ Preface 

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    The Friendship Bible is an attractive but very challenging project. I am well aware that we have in the past nineteen centuries of Christian anti-Judaism and that in comparison a few decades of dialogue is a small thing. 

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    However, in recent times many things have changed and others are still changing. We need to work harder to ask for forgiveness and to repair the damage caused by misunderstandings. The values, the traditions, the great ideas that identify Judaism and Christianity must be put at the service of humanity without ever forgetting the sacredness and authenticity of friendship. 

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    The Bible makes us understand the inviolability of these values, a necessary premise for constructive dialogue. 

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    The best way to talk, however, is not just talking and discussing, but making plans and realizing them together with all those who have good will and mutual respect in friendship. There is a rich complementary relationship that allows us to read together the texts of the Hebrew Bible helping each other to dissect the riches of the Word of God. The common goal will be to be witnesses of the Father’s love all over the world. For the Jєω like the Christian, there is no doubt that love for God and for the neighbor summarizes all the commandments. 

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    Therefore, Jєωs and Christians must feel like brothers and sisters, united by the same God and by a rich common spiritual patrimony, on which to build a foundation and continue together to build the future. 

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    It is vitally important for Christians to discover and promote knowledge of Jєωιѕн tradition in order to be able to understand themselves authentically. The study of the Torah is part of this fundamental commitment. This is why I want to entrust your journey of research to the words of the invocation that every Jєωιѕн believer recites daily at the end of the amidah prayer: “May the doors of Torah, wisdom, intelligence and knowledge be open to us, the doors of nourishment and sustenance, the doors of life, of grace, of love and of mercy and of approval before You”. I wish you continue on the journey with perseverance and invoke God’s blessing on everyone.
     
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     As one reads in the preface, Francis implies that Catholicism is anti-semitic at it’s core when he states, “we have in the past nineteen centuries of Christian anti-Judaism”. His diagnosis for this, “Christian anti-Judaism” is “to work harder to ask for forgiveness and to repair the damage caused by misunderstandings.” How does he propose, “repair[ing] the damage”? Why by simply adopting Jєωιѕн, “value$, traditions, and ideas”. He then states that these Jєωιѕн value$ are inviolable and necessary for “constructive dialogue.” A suggestion Francis, why not drop the act of pretending to be a Catholic, go get your one of your kippahs, put it on, and have your humble self walk to the ѕуηαgσgυє for shabbat? It only gets worse as he wants pewsitters to understand the Hebrew Bible through the tyrannical minds of the rabbis. He ends his preface by stating that only by “discover[ing] and promot[ing] knowledge of Jєωιѕн tradition” will Christians be able to understand themselves. As an example of this Francis turns to the rabbis and their anti-Christian Amidah prayer. In a previous post, The symbolism of the gifts Francis received and gave while at the Great ѕуηαgσgυє of Rome or Francis’ occult day at the ѕуηαgσgυє, the ‘Amidah’ - Birkat Ha’Minim invocation is explained and we quote it below.
     
     
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    ‘Amidah’ - Birkat Ha’Minim invocation

    Notice in the second part of the excerpt, rabbi Riccardo Di Segni mentions the end of the ‘Amidah’ prayers.  This is interesting because the public watching Francis’ trip to the ѕуηαgσgυє must not be sufficiently processed yet to hear the remainder of the ‘Amidah’.  Di Segni’s omission of the ‘benediction’ #12 speaks volumes as it will set the tone for what else is about to transpire. 
     
     So what exactly is the ‘Amidah’ prayer?  This invocation is 1927 years old and in the 12th ‘benediction’ the тαℓмυdic Jєωs curse Christians.  The тαℓмυdists are required to pray this by Halachic law not once, not twice, but three times a day in order to be considered Jєωιѕн!
     
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    And for Christians let there be no hope, and may all the evil in an instant be destroyed and all thy enemies be cut down swiftly; and the evil ones uproot and break and destroy and humble soon in our days. Blessed are you lord who breaks enemies and humbles sinners. (Birkat HaMinim, "Benediction" #12 of the Shmone Esreh (18 Benedictions) mandated by halacha to be prayed by every Orthodox Judaic male three times daily).
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    source: Maurice Pinay, Hypocrites!

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    The Amidah prayer in its section twelve (formerly section nineteen) contains the Birkat HaMinim, the curse on Christians ("Ha' or 'la' 'minim"): Kerega karishah v'khol tikvah tehi al ve laminim ("Let there be no hope for the wicked and for Christians"). The curse has since been disguised by telling inquiring gentiles that the text is targeted not at laminim but at lamalshinim ("slanderers") and is aimed at malicious gossips, not Christians. The goyim usually believe this nonsensical cover story. It would be "antisemitic" not to believe it. The truth, however, may be discovered in any uncensored edition of BT Berakhot 28b-29a. The failure to recite this section of the Amidah "prayer" was considered a sure indication that the Judaic who failed to say it was a crypto-Christian. Hence, recitation of the Birkat HaMinim was a litmus test to determine if a Judaic was secretly harboring Christian beliefs. In the past, Judaics who failed this test were subject to the rabbinic penal laws of the cherem, including beating, whipping and in extreme cases, execution. The Birkat HaMinim prayer also consists in the supplication that Christians be "swiftly cut down (m'heriah... yika reitu)... doomed (toveid)... destroyed (ut mahgeir)" and "uprooted (fe'akeir)." ʝʊdɛօ-Churchians refer to this curse as a "blessing" — "the blessing of the Amidah."
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    source: Michael A. Hoffman II, Judaism Discovered (2008), footnote #272, p. 279

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    The patristic authority Jerome (342-420) complained bitterly, in his commentary to Isaiah, about the Jєωs’ condemnation of notsrim (believers in Jesus, “the Nazarite”), in the benediction of the daily Amidah known as Birkat ha-Minim: "The Jєωs . . . after having been invited by the Lord to do penitence . . . up to the present day persevere in blasphemy and three times a day in all their ѕуηαgσgυєs they anathemize the Christian name."
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    His complaint echoes even harsher early Christian polemics, such as that of the Church Father Epiphanius (315-403): "Not only do Jєωιѕн people have a hatred of their enemies; they even stand up at dawn, at midday, and toward evening, three times a day when they recite their prayers in the ѕуηαgσgυє, and curse and anathemize them. Three times a day they say, 'God curse the Nazoreans.' For they harbor an extra grudge against them . . . because, despite their Jєωιѕнness, they preach that Jesus is the Christ, the opposite of those who are still Jєωs, for they have not accepted Jesus."
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    source: Jєωιѕн Ideas Daily, Do Jєωs Curse Christians?

     For those who need more background on this ‘benediction’ which ritually curses Christianity and its civilization as malkhut zadon, see the Encyclopedia Judaica (1977): AMIDAH - Volume 2, pp. 841-2; BIRKAT HA-MINIM - Volume 4, p. 1035; JABNEH - Volume 9, p. 1176; MIN - Volume 12, p. 3; and SAMUEL HA-KATAN - Volume 14, pp. 815-6.



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    Re: Pope Francis and his Hebrew Brothers
    « Reply #1 on: January 30, 2019, 04:52:57 AM »
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  • I understand that Pope St Pius X was friendly with the Jєωs.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 30, 2019, 11:32:06 AM »
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  • I understand that Pope St Pius X was friendly with the Jєωs.

    Poche,
    Why doth thou constantly misconstrue or misrepresent the truth?
    St. Pope Pius X sent the Jєωs packing and Providentially, the zionist leader Herzl was dead six months later.


    25 January 1904 Pope Pius X gives Theodor Herzl’s Zionist project a cold reception
    Posted on January 25, 2015by richardsh


    Theodore Herzl traveled to Rome in late January 1904, after the sixth Zionist Congress (August 1903) and six months before his death, looking for some kind of support.


    On January 22, Herzl first met the Secretary of State, Cardinal Rafael Merry del Val. According to Herzl’s private diary notes, the Cardinal agreed on the history of Israel being the same as the one of the Catholic Church, but asked beforehand for a conversion of Jєωs to Catholicism.



    Three days later, Herzl met Pope Pius X, who replied to his request of support for a Jєωιѕн return to Israel in the same terms, saying that “we are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it … The Jєωs have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.”


    In 1922, the same periodical published a piece by its Viennese correspondent, “anti-Semitism is nothing but the absolutely necessary and natural reaction to the Jєωs’ arrogance…Catholic anti-Semitism – while never going beyond the moral law – adopts all necessary means to emancipate the Christian people from the abuse they suffer from their sworn enemy”.
    This initial attitude changed over the next 50 years, until 1997, when at the Vatican symposium of that year, Pope John Paul II rejected the Christian roots of anti-Semitism, expressing that “… the wrong and unjust interpretations of the New Testament relating to the Jєωιѕн people and their supposed guilt [in Christ’s death] circulated for too long, engendering sentiments of hostility toward this people.


    Herzl recorded his account of the meeting in his diary. The “Lippay” to whom he refers is Count Berthold Dominik Lippay, an Austrian papal portraitist, whom Herzl had met in Venice and who had arranged the audience with the pope.


    Theodor Herzl was the first Zionist leader to understand the political importance of the Catholic Church in the Middle East. He also realized the necessity for Zionists to come to terms with the Church and gain its support or at least try to neutralize its influence.


    The Vatican wished to safeguard Catholic rights in the holy places, and therefore Herzl was ready to propose an extraterritorial status for the holy places when he was received by the nuncio in Vienna, Msgr. Antonio Agliardi, on May 19, 1896, a short time after the publication of his book The Jєωιѕн State. Herzl repeated the idea of extraterritoriality to Secretary of State Cardinal Rafael Merry del Val on January 22, 1904, but Merry del Val answered that the holy places could not be regarded as entities separate from the Holy Land.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Pope Francis and his Hebrew Brothers
    « Reply #3 on: January 30, 2019, 12:00:58 PM »
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    The Friendship Bible is an attractive but very challenging project. I am well aware that we have in the past nineteen centuries of Christian anti-Judaism and that in comparison a few decades of dialogue is a small thing.


    It looks like Francis is well aware of the mind of the Church respect to Judaism but simply revolts against it, as if the Church had been mistaken for the past nineteen centuries.


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    However, in recent times many things have changed and others are still changing. We need to work harder to ask for forgiveness and to repair the damage caused by misunderstandings. The values, the traditions, the great ideas that identify Judaism and Christianity must be put at the service of humanity without ever forgetting the sacredness and authenticity of friendship.

    Everything should be put at the service of God; not humanity. This is freemason's humanist speech; radically opposed to the teachings of our Holy Catholic religion.



    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    The Bible makes us understand the inviolability of these values, a necessary premise for constructive dialogue.

    The Holy Catholic Church does not "dialogue", simply instructs.

    She already has the Truth. No need to dialogue with anyone. Only teach.


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    The best way to talk, however, is not just talking and discussing, but making plans and realizing them together with all those who have good will and mutual respect in friendship. There is a rich complementary relationship that allows us to read together the texts of the Hebrew Bible helping each other to dissect the riches of the Word of God. The common goal will be to be witnesses of the Father’s love all over the world. For the Jєω like the Christian, there is no doubt that love for God and for the neighbor summarizes all the commandments.

    Except the Jєωs do not know or love the True God, because the True God is Jesus Christ Our Lord, Who they deny and despise.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    Therefore, Jєωs and Christians must feel like brothers and sisters, united by the same God and by a rich common spiritual patrimony, on which to build a foundation and continue together to build the future.

    There is no true "brotherhood" except for in Christ, Our Lord. Those who are not inserted in the Body of Christ cannot be our brothers. We are not united by the same God to anyone but Christians by virtue of Faith and Baptism. The masonic concept of "brotherhood" among all men, regardless of whether they have been baptized or not, or what religion they profess, etc. is not Catholic; but a diabolical perversion.  

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    It is vitally important for Christians to discover and promote knowledge of Jєωιѕн tradition in order to be able to understand themselves authentically. The study of the Torah is part of this fundamental commitment. This is why I want to entrust your journey of research to the words of the invocation that every Jєωιѕн believer recites daily at the end of the amidah prayer: “May the doors of Torah, wisdom, intelligence and knowledge be open to us, the doors of nourishment and sustenance, the doors of life, of grace, of love and of mercy and of approval before You”. I wish you continue on the journey with perseverance and invoke God’s blessing on everyone.

    :laugh1: This is not the legitimate successor of St. Peter speaking, but a conspirator Jєω.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Pope Francis and his Hebrew Brothers
    « Reply #6 on: January 30, 2019, 05:53:53 PM »
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  • More like his Hebrew handlers.  I'm convinced he's a Jєωιѕн agent.

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  • Nice term, "Anti-Judaism".  OF COURSE the Catholic Church is against Judaism ... it's a false religion, and it's especially pernicious in its having waged war against the Church since the beginning, but even generally against all that is good and moral in society.

    No, the Church is not anti-Semitic.  Our Lord and Lady and first Apostles were Semites, so how is the Church anti-Semitic?  Anti-Semitic?  No.  Anti-Judaic?  Absolutely.  Of course, this is not to mention that most modern-day Jєωs are NOT actually Semites, but Ashkenazy.


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  • Why is this posted in the “ Resistance” thread?

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  • Poche,
    Why doth thou constantly misconstrue or misrepresent the truth?
    St. Pope Pius X sent the Jєωs packing and Providentially, the zionist leader Herzl was dead six months later.


    25 January 1904 Pope Pius X gives Theodor Herzl’s Zionist project a cold reception
    Posted on January 25, 2015by richardsh


    Theodore Herzl traveled to Rome in late January 1904, after the sixth Zionist Congress (August 1903) and six months before his death, looking for some kind of support.


    On January 22, Herzl first met the Secretary of State, Cardinal Rafael Merry del Val. According to Herzl’s private diary notes, the Cardinal agreed on the history of Israel being the same as the one of the Catholic Church, but asked beforehand for a conversion of Jєωs to Catholicism.



    Three days later, Herzl met Pope Pius X, who replied to his request of support for a Jєωιѕн return to Israel in the same terms, saying that “we are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it … The Jєωs have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.”


    In 1922, the same periodical published a piece by its Viennese correspondent, “anti-Semitism is nothing but the absolutely necessary and natural reaction to the Jєωs’ arrogance…Catholic anti-Semitism – while never going beyond the moral law – adopts all necessary means to emancipate the Christian people from the abuse they suffer from their sworn enemy”.
    This initial attitude changed over the next 50 years, until 1997, when at the Vatican symposium of that year, Pope John Paul II rejected the Christian roots of anti-Semitism, expressing that “… the wrong and unjust interpretations of the New Testament relating to the Jєωιѕн people and their supposed guilt [in Christ’s death] circulated for too long, engendering sentiments of hostility toward this people.


    Herzl recorded his account of the meeting in his diary. The “Lippay” to whom he refers is Count Berthold Dominik Lippay, an Austrian papal portraitist, whom Herzl had met in Venice and who had arranged the audience with the pope.


    Theodor Herzl was the first Zionist leader to understand the political importance of the Catholic Church in the Middle East. He also realized the necessity for Zionists to come to terms with the Church and gain its support or at least try to neutralize its influence.


    The Vatican wished to safeguard Catholic rights in the holy places, and therefore Herzl was ready to propose an extraterritorial status for the holy places when he was received by the nuncio in Vienna, Msgr. Antonio Agliardi, on May 19, 1896, a short time after the publication of his book The Jєωιѕн State. Herzl repeated the idea of extraterritoriality to Secretary of State Cardinal Rafael Merry del Val on January 22, 1904, but Merry del Val answered that the holy places could not be regarded as entities separate from the Holy Land.

    Great post Incred!  Thanks for taking the time to give us this correct background.

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    Re: Pope Francis and his Hebrew Brothers
    « Reply #10 on: January 30, 2019, 09:13:46 PM »
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  • Poche,
    Why doth thou constantly misconstrue or misrepresent the truth?
    St. Pope Pius X sent the Jєωs packing and Providentially, the zionist leader Herzl was dead six months later.


    25 January 1904 Pope Pius X gives Theodor Herzl’s Zionist project a cold reception
    Posted on January 25, 2015by richardsh


    Theodore Herzl traveled to Rome in late January 1904, after the sixth Zionist Congress (August 1903) and six months before his death, looking for some kind of support.


    On January 22, Herzl first met the Secretary of State, Cardinal Rafael Merry del Val. According to Herzl’s private diary notes, the Cardinal agreed on the history of Israel being the same as the one of the Catholic Church, but asked beforehand for a conversion of Jєωs to Catholicism.



    Three days later, Herzl met Pope Pius X, who replied to his request of support for a Jєωιѕн return to Israel in the same terms, saying that “we are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs going to Jerusalem, but we could never sanction it … The Jєωs have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people.”


    In 1922, the same periodical published a piece by its Viennese correspondent, “anti-Semitism is nothing but the absolutely necessary and natural reaction to the Jєωs’ arrogance…Catholic anti-Semitism – while never going beyond the moral law – adopts all necessary means to emancipate the Christian people from the abuse they suffer from their sworn enemy”.
    This initial attitude changed over the next 50 years, until 1997, when at the Vatican symposium of that year, Pope John Paul II rejected the Christian roots of anti-Semitism, expressing that “… the wrong and unjust interpretations of the New Testament relating to the Jєωιѕн people and their supposed guilt [in Christ’s death] circulated for too long, engendering sentiments of hostility toward this people.


    Herzl recorded his account of the meeting in his diary. The “Lippay” to whom he refers is Count Berthold Dominik Lippay, an Austrian papal portraitist, whom Herzl had met in Venice and who had arranged the audience with the pope.


    Theodor Herzl was the first Zionist leader to understand the political importance of the Catholic Church in the Middle East. He also realized the necessity for Zionists to come to terms with the Church and gain its support or at least try to neutralize its influence.


    The Vatican wished to safeguard Catholic rights in the holy places, and therefore Herzl was ready to propose an extraterritorial status for the holy places when he was received by the nuncio in Vienna, Msgr. Antonio Agliardi, on May 19, 1896, a short time after the publication of his book The Jєωιѕн State. Herzl repeated the idea of extraterritoriality to Secretary of State Cardinal Rafael Merry del Val on January 22, 1904, but Merry del Val answered that the holy places could not be regarded as entities separate from the Holy Land.
    During this same meeting, Pope St Pius X said that his relations with the Jєωs were friendly and collaborative. In other words, he was friends with the Jєωs, although he did not support their false theological propositions. I put it yo you that gratuitous hatred of Jєωs or anybody else for that matter, is contrary to what Pope St Pius was about. 


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    « Reply #11 on: January 31, 2019, 01:06:49 AM »
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  • Poche,

    It sounds like you are accusing Catholics who criticize the Jєωs of hatred?
    If so, this is the typical Jєω "victimization" talk our elder bothers use to intimidate their enemies.

    I think you missed this important point in the article:

    “anti-Semitism is nothing but the absolutely necessary and natural reaction to the Jєωs’ arrogance…Catholic anti-Semitism – while never going beyond the moral law – adopts all necessary means to emancipate the Christian people from the abuse they suffer from their sworn enemy”.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #12 on: January 31, 2019, 02:05:29 AM »
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  • I am simply saying that Pope St Plus X was friends with the Jєωs and that gratuitous hatred of them is contrary to his holiness.




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    Re: Pope Francis and his Hebrew Brothers
    « Reply #13 on: January 31, 2019, 11:35:32 AM »
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  • When I read Poche's first post, I thought simply that he was having a little fun with CI members, just a bit of trolling for his own amusement over a well anticipated reaction.  Either that was the motive, or the man is a complete idiot.  I would like to ask Poche and others to assess Sermon # 1 from Adversus Judaeos of the great doctor and saint, John Crysostom.  Does he think that this sermon expresses basic friendliness towards, and love for the Jєωs?
    lf Poche is simply a fun loving troll, aiming to tweak the noses of the forum's "antisemites," he'll simply ignore the question, chuckle a bit, and move on to the next cynical provocation.  In any case, let it be known that Cryosostom set the standard for the Church's attitude towards the Jєωs. It was not a "collaborative" or friendly one by any stretch of the imagination.

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    Re: Pope Francis and his Hebrew Brothers
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  • When I read Poche's first post, I thought simply that he was having a little fun with CI members, just a bit of trolling for his own amusement over a well anticipated reaction.  Either that was the motive, or the man is a complete idiot.  I would like to ask Poche and others to assess Sermon # 1 from Adversus Judaeos of the great doctor and saint, John Crysostom.  Does he think that this sermon expresses basic friendliness towards, and love for the Jєωs?
    lf Poche is simply a fun loving troll, aiming to tweak the noses of the forum's "antisemites," he'll simply ignore the question, chuckle a bit, and move on to the next cynical provocation.  In any case, let it be known that Cryosostom set the standard for the Church's attitude towards the Jєωs. It was not a "collaborative" or friendly one by any stretch of the imagination.

    And to make it easy to hear and understand, here are six hours of St. Chrysostomo's sermons against the Jєωs:
    Saint John Chrysostomos: Homilies against the Jєωs (Adversus Judaeos Orationes)

    One point that struck me in these sermons, is how the Saint exposes the Jєωs as the greatest race of liars.

    He advises, that the Jєωs knew that had been given wonderful gifts directly from God that were manifested in the Temple.
    Yet, because of their generational crimes, graces were taken away, the Temple completely razed as God's demonstration the He had abandoned them.

    But instead of admitting it, they deny the fact that God abandoned them and blame the loss of the Temple and graces on the Gentiles.

    And as we see today, they behave as if there is no need for God, that they will rebuild the Temple themselves with their ʝʊdɛօ-masonic network and rule the world forever more.

    Obviously, this is not sustainable and we can see how the "Judaic curse" ultimately leads them to criminal insanity.  

    :pray: Pray for them, Yes!  because the "veil on the hearts" is so thick.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi