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Offline SeanJohnson

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Pope Drops Conservative US Cardinal
« on: December 17, 2013, 10:33:58 AM »
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  • http://www.newser.com/story/179312/pope-drops-conservative-us-cardinal-brings-in-moderate.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_topnews



    Newser)  – Pope Francis has removed a conservative US cardinal from the Congregation for Bishops, a top Vatican committee. Taking Cardinal Raymond Burke's place is a more moderate American from Washington. Burke, who is a firm opponent of abortion and gαy marriage, will stay on as prefect of the highest Vatican court, the New York Times reports. But he'll hold less sway in selecting US church leaders. The pope's move, experts say, is part of his push for a more accepting church. But Burke's replacement may be more about consistency at the top than about "specific social issues," the Times notes.

    Francis "is saying that you don’t need to be a conservative to become a bishop," says a Catholic researcher. "He wants good bishops, regardless of how conservative or liberal they are." Burke had argued that Catholic politicians shouldn't be allowed communion if they back abortion rights; his replacement, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, feels differently. "That certainly is in line with the pope, who has said that communion is not a reward for being good,” a priest and Vatican expert says. "It is a sacrament of healing to help people." Francis also replaced Cardinal Justin Rigali on the Congregation for Bishops; facing an abuse scandal, Rigali earlier stepped down as archbishop of Philadelphia. Meanwhile, the AP notes that the pontiff celebrated his 77th birthday today—over breakfast with four homeless people and a dog
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline crossbro

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    Pope Drops Conservative US Cardinal
    « Reply #1 on: December 17, 2013, 10:50:17 AM »
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  • There are no "liberal catholics".

    There are just faithful Catholics and "fake" Catholics.


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    Pope Drops Conservative US Cardinal
    « Reply #2 on: December 17, 2013, 10:54:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Pope Drops Conservative US Cardinal, Brings in "Moderate"


    I think a more accurate headline would be:

    Pope Drops Moderate US Cardinal, Brings in Liberal

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    « Reply #3 on: December 17, 2013, 11:02:37 AM »
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  • Donald Weurl persecuted a priest because the priest denied communion to a woman who was a budist lesbian.  

    Yes  more liberal sinful evil men are being rewarded.  
    May God bless you and keep you

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    « Reply #4 on: December 17, 2013, 11:03:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: crossbro
    There are no "liberal catholics".

    There are just faithful Catholics and "fake" Catholics.


    You are so right.  
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Pope Drops Conservative US Cardinal
    « Reply #5 on: December 17, 2013, 11:19:20 AM »
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  • So Holy Communion is for healing and not required to be free of mortal
    sin.
    What more shock treatments will be coming out from the Vatican
    to enrage Traditional Catholics, and please the progressives.
    Francis the destroyer. The devil is in the Vatican.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #6 on: December 17, 2013, 11:22:45 AM »
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  • Quote from: crossbro
    There are no "liberal catholics".

    There are just faithful Catholics and "fake" Catholics.


    What about consistent Catholics?

    Quote from: newser.com
    Francis "is saying that you don’t need to be a conservative to become a bishop," says a Catholic researcher. "He wants good bishops, regardless of how conservative or liberal they are."


    Maybe a bishop can be a "good pederast" or a "good embezzler" or a "good community organizer" or a "good communist?"


    Apparently you don't need to have a name to be quoted, all you need to have is a title, like "a researcher."

    Or perhaps, "a Vatican expert":

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    ... the pope, who has said that communion is not a reward for being good,” a priest and Vatican expert says. "It is a sacrament of healing to help people."


    Oh, I get it:  public, pertinacious heretics should be allowed to receive Communion in hopes that they will recover from a sore throat or shingles or maybe the grand sewer of all heresies, you know, for "healing." Communion is like getting your meds at the funny farm.  (See "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" starring Jack Nicholson.)

    Alternatively, the real purpose of this article is to announce the glad tidings of the bishop of Rome's birthday breakfast:

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    Meanwhile, the AP notes that the pontiff celebrated his 77th birthday today—over breakfast with four homeless people and a dog


    Can you imagine how jealous all the other dogs of the world are today?  "How come I don't get to have breakfast with Francis?"  I can almost hear them.


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    « Reply #7 on: December 17, 2013, 11:30:04 AM »
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  • Interesting news, when you consider how ecclesia dei and conservative NOers revere Cardinal Burke. This should put a bee in their bonnet.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #8 on: December 17, 2013, 11:31:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Pope Drops Conservative US Cardinal, Brings in "Moderate"


    I think a more accurate headline would be:

    Pope Drops Moderate US Cardinal, Brings in Liberal



    You're starting to sound like Michael Voris, TKGS.

    The Church Militant (TV) has to stand up for what's right --- I mean, what's "good."

    Poor Voris is no doubt going into high gear over this one.  His hero, Burke, has been slighted, if not demoted.  What an outrage.  Expect a new Vortex post haste, where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed.


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    « Reply #9 on: December 17, 2013, 11:36:23 AM »
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  • The cardinal that Francis chose, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, was referred to as Donna Wuerl by Fr. Malachi Martin in one of his tapes about the sodomite infiltration into the Church and its seminaries.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 17, 2013, 12:05:21 PM »
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  • The man whom many Catholics know as pope
    delivers on his platform of change and "hope."
    So the media-labeled rightist Cardinal Burke
    is absented from his former place of work.
    'Gainst leftist sensibilities Burke was the rudest
    thus he must give way the defender of a Budist.
    E'er careful not to offend the almighty kike,
    still what has Burke to compete with the champion of a dyke?

    Defending the unborn indeed has become passe
    and what "bigot" dares oppose the marriage gαy?
    For Francis' goal of a "more accepting church"
    Wuerl will sure not leave him in the lurch.
    So dear friends now watch new Rome and you will see
    all remaining distance close between it and Masonry.
    Yet for conquered institutions do not pine
    for the General behind whom we march has sworn "vengeance is Mine."


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    « Reply #11 on: December 17, 2013, 12:12:49 PM »
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  • I don't know what they think they're doing.  Burke once tried to accept perpetual religious vows from a 'transgendered' man posing as a woman (with knowledge).  

    If someone can come up with a more liberal stunt than that, I'd like to hear about it.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 17, 2013, 12:19:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: bowler
    The cardinal that Francis chose, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, was referred to as Donna Wuerl by Fr. Malachi Martin in one of his tapes about the sodomite infiltration into the Church and its seminaries.


    Lol. He is creepy that wuerl    
    May God bless you and keep you

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    « Reply #13 on: December 17, 2013, 12:42:09 PM »
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  • Will Cardinal Wuerl be leaving the Archdiocese Of Washington D.C. and working in Rome now?

    Offline John Grace

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    « Reply #14 on: December 17, 2013, 12:54:29 PM »
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  • Many never get the bigger picture. The political establishment in Ireland know the hierarchy are no threat. A few weeks ago, I was passing the constituency office of a politician,who voted for abortion. A politician, who sings in his parish choir. I was under no illusion he would care. I wasn't expecting him to be in his constituency office. He was with a constituent. I opened the door. I didn't believe for a minute he would care. I told him he had voted for murder. He started saying "where are these murders taking place" and "that is your opinion". When I asked him what did he believe abortion is, he replied, "I had this conversation several months ago with pro-life".

    Indeed he had. A few months ago about 30 people crammed into his office and for a couple of hours, they outlined the case against abortion legislation. He went ahead and voted for abortion.

    The problem is 'pro-life' are kept on a reservation and the politician buys the vote. This particular politician is hated. It matters little if he is re-elected. A job in a bank, a CEO of a friends company await him if he 'retires'.

    A few NewChurch priests have made a bit of noise but by and large the politicians know the weakness of NewChurch. The Bishops in Ireland are a joke and the 'pro-life movement' to a degree is a controlled opposition. No threat at all.