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Offline JPaul

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« on: December 19, 2013, 07:55:59 AM »
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  • Pope Francis declares Jesuit Pierre Favre a saint
    Published December 17, 2013
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    VATICAN CITY – Pope Francis has declared the 16th-century Jesuit Pierre Favre a saint, bypassing the Vatican's typical saint-making procedures to honor the first recruit of Jesuit founder St. Ignatius Loyola.

    The announcement was made Tuesday on Francis' 77th birthday, something of a gift to his Jesuit family for whom Favre is a beloved role model.

    The Rev. James Martin, author of "The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything," said Favre may be little known to the outside world but is much beloved, particularly for having met with Protestants during the Reformation, when they were considered heretics.

    "Favre said, `Take care never to close your heart to anyone,"' Martin said. "His canonization reminds us of the value of dialogue, charity, discernment, prayer and mercy."

    Francis has made opening the church's doors to all a hallmark of his nine-month papacy.



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    « Reply #1 on: December 19, 2013, 09:23:47 AM »
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    Pope Francis declares Jesuit Pierre Favre a saint


    Any relation to Brett?  

    The first cheesehead saint (or is it the first Viking--that's a Minnesota Viking-- saint)?


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    « Reply #2 on: December 19, 2013, 09:49:18 AM »
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  • So, we have gone from bypassing the "devil's advocate" to eliminating the beatification process altogether.

    Definitely infallible.

     :smoke-pot:

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #3 on: December 19, 2013, 03:41:43 PM »
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    So, we have gone from bypassing the "devil's advocate" to eliminating the beatification process altogether.

    Definitely infallible.

     :smoke-pot:



    But he's humble.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #4 on: December 19, 2013, 04:14:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: 2Vermont
    Quote from: SeanJohnson

    So, we have gone from bypassing the "devil's advocate" to eliminating the beatification process altogether.

    Definitely infallible.

     :smoke-pot:



    But he's humble.



    This is 'humble' corruption - the grey horse of the Apocalypse, neither black nor white.


    Dialogue with Protestants is now 'canonized' and Vat.II has another knee-brace to prop it up before it falls over.  


    Pierre Favre isn't important -- what's important is the AGENDA he represents.


    We can be hopeful in the fact that this was done under such conspicuously questionable circuмstances:  never before in these latter centuries has there been such an arbitrary disregard for the beatification process, and by extension, the entire body of Sacred Tradition.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 19, 2013, 04:19:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
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    Pope Francis declares Jesuit Pierre Favre a saint


    Any relation to Brett?  

    The first cheesehead saint (or is it the first Viking--that's a Minnesota Viking-- saint)?


     :laugh2:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #6 on: December 19, 2013, 04:26:31 PM »
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    Am I alone, or does someone else here get the feeling that we're being pushed to the wall, and Francis is looking for what manner of outrage is sufficient for Catholics to stand up and say, "Enough is Enough!"



    How many more insults does he have up his sleeve?  Maybe he's saving a really big one for Christmas day -- it's only a week more to go.............  :tv-disturbed:


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    « Reply #7 on: December 19, 2013, 04:39:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    .

    Am I alone, or does someone else here get the feeling that we're being pushed to the wall, and Francis is looking for what manner of outrage is sufficient for Catholics to stand up and say, "Enough is Enough!"



    How many more insults does he have up his sleeve?  Maybe he's saving a really big one for Christmas day -- it's only a week more to go.............  :tv-disturbed:


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    But all that said, I prefer the honesty.

    At least he doesn't pretend to be Catholic BXVI and JPII did.

    This papacy is the papacy of incompetence.

    The next papacy of Archbishop Muller will be the papacy of persecution.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #8 on: December 19, 2013, 05:03:23 PM »
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  • From the Protocols of Zion:


    2. WE HAVE LONG PAST TAKEN CARE TO DISCREDIT THE PRIESTHOOD OF THE "GOYIM," and thereby to ruin their mission on earth which in these days might still be a great hindrance to us. Day by day its influence on the peoples of the world is falling lower. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE HAS BEEN DECLARED EVERYWHERE, SO THAT NOW ONLY YEARS DIVIDE US FROM THE MOMENT OF THE COMPLETE WRECKING OF THAT CHRISTIAN RELIGION: as to other religions we shall have still less difficulty in dealing with them, but it would be premature to speak of this now. We shall set clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress.

    3. When the time comes finally to destroy the papal court the finger of an invisible hand will point the nations towards this court. When, however, the nations fling themselves upon it, we shall come forward in the guise of its defenders as if to save excessive bƖσσdshɛd. By this diversion we shall penetrate to its very bowels and be sure we shall never come out again until we have gnawed through the entire strength of this place.

    4. THE KING OF THE JєωS WILL BE THE REAL POPE OF THE UNIVERSE, THE PATRIARCH OF THE INTERNATIONAL CHURCH

    5. But, IN THE MEANTIME, while we are re-educating youth in new traditional religions and afterwards in ours, WE SHALL NOT OVERTLY LAY A FINGER ON EXISTING CHURCHES, BUT WE SHALL FIGHT AGAINST THEM BY CRITICISM CALCULATED TO PRODUCE SCHISM . . .



    Comments:

    1) Regarding #2: "We shall set clericalism and clericals into such narrow frames as to make their influence move in retrogressive proportion to its former progress"  In other words, priests and bishops should no longer speak of social, political, or economic matters.

    2) Regarding #3: Karl Rothschild acted as "peacemaker" between the Vatican and her enemies, loaning the Vatican five million pounds in a period of difficulty. Gregory XVI conferred a Papal decoration on Kalman Rothschild since when Rothschilds have been "Guardians of the Vatican Treasury" (quoted from http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion6.htm which I am guessing is a Prot website, but nevertheless...)
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #9 on: December 19, 2013, 05:29:11 PM »
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  • .

    From incompetence to persecution....... Hmmm....  :scratchchin:



    ...Bergoglio "listened to my views with a great deal of respect. He told me that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs need to have recognized rights and that he supported civil unions, but not same-sex marriage."


    "If someone is gαy and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?"
    ...a signal to Catholics and the world that the new pope is not like the old pope.


    He recalled, “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gαy person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person.”


    "... Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.”


    Earlier this year, he'd told an LGBT group in India, according to Time, that “to say that those with other sɛҳuąƖ orientations are sinners, is wrong,” and that “we must be sensitive in our homilies and how we speak in public, and I will so advise our priests.”




    (Pastoral sensitivity toward ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs is the PRE-EMINENT "virtue" in St. John's Seminary, Camarillo, CA. - it is the most prominent lesson to learn before eligibility for ordination as a Newpriest.)




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    Still, LGBT Catholics who remain in the church now have more reason to hope that change is coming. Listen to the reaction to the pope's "Who am I to judge?" comment.

    "Pope Francis today uttered some of the most encouraging words a pontiff has ever spoken about gαy and lesbian people," read a statement from the LGBT Catholic organization Equally Blessed. "In doing so, he has set a great example for Catholics everywhere." It went on with even greater anticipation, "Catholic leaders who continue to belittle gαys and lesbians can no longer claim that their inflammatory remarks represent the sentiments of the pope. Bishops who oppose the expansion of basic civil rights — such as an end to discrimination in the work place — can no longer claim that the pope approves of their discriminatory agenda. Pope Francis did not articulate a change in the church’s teaching today, but he spoke compassionately, and in doing so, he has encouraged an already lively conversation that may one day make it possible for the church to fully embrace gαy and lesbian Catholics."



    It sure seems like he's saving a big announcement for Christmas Day.


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    « Reply #10 on: December 19, 2013, 05:29:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Quote from: Associate Press
    Pope Francis declares Jesuit Pierre Favre a saint


    Any relation to Brett?  

    The first cheesehead saint (or is it the first Viking--that's a Minnesota Viking-- saint)?


    Actually, me thinks Cardinal Cheesehead will take that "honor."

    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine


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    « Reply #11 on: December 19, 2013, 05:55:11 PM »
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    Tell me: when God looks at a blasphemous pope, does He endorse the existence of this pope as a person, with love, or reject and condemn this pope?  

    We must always consider the pope as a person.




    Whose idea was it again to elect this guy to the papacy?




    How about this one:

    Tell me: when God looks at an αnтι-ѕємιтє, does He endorse the existence of this αnтι-ѕємιтє as a person, with love, or reject and condemn this αnтι-ѕємιтє?  

    We must always consider an αnтι-ѕємιтє as a person.


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    « Reply #12 on: December 20, 2013, 01:23:10 PM »
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  • And I heard a voice from heaven saying
    "Come out of her my children!"

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    « Reply #13 on: December 21, 2013, 12:51:37 AM »
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  • Actually in English it is Peter Faber. Here is more about him.

     St. Peter Faber, a master of the Spiritual Exercises, was the first of St. Ignatius Loyola’s six companions. Peter Faber and Ignatius met in Paris, where Faber had come to study after life as a shepherd on the mountains of Savoy. Peter Faber was the first of the companions to be ordained.

    Peter Faber had a gentle spirit and a tendency to be very hard on himself. Ignatius proved to be the perfect mentor for him, and Faber eventually became the master of the Spiritual Exercises. While hard on himself, Faber was gentle with others and became a gifted pastor of souls, winning others for Jesus.

    Faber was sent to Germany in 1541, where he found the state of the Church in such disarray that it left his heart “tormented by a steady and intolerable pain.” He worked for the renewal of the Church a person at a time, leading many in the Spiritual Exercises. Princes, prelates, and priests would especially find Peter Faber a gentle source of instruction and guidance leading to renewal.

    Between 1544 and 1546, Peter Faber tirelessly continued his work in Portugal and Spain. Throughout all of his mission years in Germany, Spain, and Portugal, Faber traveled on foot. His final journey in 1546 was to Rome where, exhausted from his labors, he died in St. Ignatius’s arms at the age of 40.

    Pope Francis announced the canonization of Peter Faber on December 17, 2013.

    http://www.ignatianspirituality.com/ignatian-voices/16th-and-17th-century-ignatian-voices/blessed-peter-faber-sj/

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    « Reply #14 on: December 21, 2013, 12:53:42 AM »
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  • Here is more again;

    Born 13 April, 1506, at Villaret, Savoy; died 1 Aug., 1546, in Rome. As a child he tended his father's sheep during the week, and on Sunday he taught catechism to other children. The instinctive knowledge of his vocation as an apostle inspired him with a desire to study. At first he was entrusted to the care of a priest at Thônes, and then to a neighbouring school. Although without any defininte plans for the future, he resolved to go to Paris. His parents consented to the separation, and in 1525 Peter arrived in Paris. Here he acquired the learning he desired, and found quite unexpectedly his real vocation. He was admitted gratuitously to the college of Sainte-Barbe, and shared the lodging of a student from Navarre, Francis Xavier, the future saint, in a tower which still existed in 1850. They became intimately attached to each other, receiving on the same day in 1530 the degree of master of arts. At the university he also met St. Ignatius of Loyola and became one of his associates. He was ordained in 1534, and received at Montmartre, on 15 August of the same year, the vows of Ignatius and his five companions. To these first six volunteers, three others were to attach themselves. Ignatius appointed them all to meet at Venice, and charged Faber to conduct them there. Leaving Paris 15 Nov., 1536, Faber and his companions rejoined Ignatius at Venice in Jan., 1537. Ignatius then thought of going to evangelize the Holy Land, but God had destined him for a vaster field of action.
    After Ignatius, Faber was the one whom Xavier and his companions esteemed the most eminent. He merited this esteem by his profound knowledge, his gentle sanctity, and his influence over souls. Faber now repaired to Rome, and after some months of preaching and teaching, the pope sent him to Parma and Piacenza, where he brought about a revival of Christian piety. Recalled to Rome, Faber was sent to Germany to uphold Catholicism at the Diet of Worms. In reality the diets which the Protestants were enabled to hold through the weakness of Charles accomplished no good. From the Diet of Worms, convoked in 1540, he was called to that of Ratisbon in 1541. Faber was startled by the ruin which Protestantism had caused in Germany, and by the state of decadence presented by Catholicism; and he saw that the remedy did not lie in discussions with the heretics, but in the reform of the faithful — above all, of the clergy. For ten months, at Speyer, at Ratisbon, and at Mainz, he conducted himself with gentleness and success. It was above all by the Spiritual that he accomplished most of his conversions. Princes, prelates, and priests revealed their consciences to him, and people were astounded by the efficacy of an apostolate accomplished so rapidly. Recalled to Spain by St. Ignatius, Faber tore himself away from the field where he had already gathered such a harvest, and won Savoy, which has never ceased to venerate him as a saint; but he had hardly been in Spain six months when by order of the pope he was again sent to Germany. This time for nineteen months Faber was to work for the reform of Speyer, Mainz, and Cologne — a thankless task. However, he gained the ecclesiastics little by little, changed their hearts, and discovered in the young many vocations. That he decided the vocation of Bl. Peter Canisius is in itself sufficient to justify his being called the Apostle of Germany. The Archbishop of Cologne, Herman of Wied, was already won over by the heresy which he was later publicly to embrace. It was also at Cologne that Faber especially exercised his zeal. After spending some months at Louvain, in 1543, where he implanted the seeds of numerous vocations among the young, he returned to Cologne, and there it may be said that he extirpated all heresy. But he was forced by obedience to leave Germany in August, 1544, going at first to Portugal, later to Spain. At the court of Lisbon and that of Valladolid, Faber was an angel of God. He was called to the principal cities of Spain, and everywhere inculcated fervour and fostered vocations. Let it suffice to mention that of Francis Borgia, which he, more than anyone else, was the means of strengthening. Faber, at forty, was wasted by his incessant labours and his unceasing journeys always made on foot. The pope, however, thought of sending him to the Council of Trent as theologian of the Holy See; John III wanted him to be made Patriarch of Ethiopia. Called to Rome, Faber, weakened by fever, arrived there 17 July, 1546, to die in the arms of St. Ignatius, the first of the following August. Those who had known him already invoked him as a saint. Saint Francis de Sales, whose character recalled that of Faber's, never spoke of him except as a saint. He was beatified, 5 September, 1872; his feast is kept on 8 August.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11767a.htm