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The public sin of manifest formal heresy by its very nature separates the heretic from the Church.

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Poll for Those Who Consider Themselves Part of the Resistance
« Reply #135 on: Yesterday at 10:35:01 AM »
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    • Yes, Stubborn isn’t distinguishing between the various reasons for excommunication.  If a woman gets an abortion, she’s excommunicated but if she’s still practicing the Faith, she’s still a member.  If someone like Martin Luther is excommunicated for heresy AND THEN STOPS PRACTICING THE FAITH, he is obviously not a member anymore.  Faith is required for membership, as multiple popes have said. 
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    Offline Stubborn

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    Re: Poll for Those Who Consider Themselves Part of the Resistance
    « Reply #136 on: Yesterday at 10:52:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 10:35:01 AM
    Yes, Stubborn isn’t distinguishing between the various reasons for excommunication.  If a woman gets an abortion, she’s excommunicated but if she’s still practicing the Faith, she’s still a member.  If someone like Martin Luther is excommunicated for heresy AND THEN STOPS PRACTICING THE FAITH, he is obviously not a member anymore.  Faith is required for membership, as multiple popes have said.
    That's your opinion. The Fathers did not teach any such thing - per Suarez.
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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Poll for Those Who Consider Themselves Part of the Resistance
    « Reply #137 on: Yesterday at 12:19:32 PM »
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    • :facepalm:  Suarez mentions excommunication.  Heresy is another matter which he didn’t mention.  You’re falsely expanding his comments.  
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    Re: Poll for Those Who Consider Themselves Part of the Resistance
    « Reply #138 on: Yesterday at 12:58:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Yesterday at 09:44:25 AM
    What we know for sure is that Fr. Martin Luther died a Catholic priest: "Thou art a priest for ever, according to the order of Melchisedech."

    The indelible mark of the Sacrament of Baptism on our soul is just as ineradicable as that of Holy Orders.
    That's what I was taught.
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    Re: Poll for Those Who Consider Themselves Part of the Resistance
    « Reply #139 on: Yesterday at 02:34:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 12:19:32 PM
    :facepalm:  Suarez mentions excommunication.  Heresy is another matter which he didn’t mention.  You’re falsely expanding his comments. 
    That's right, he mentions excommunication, all I did was quote what he said. 

     


       
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Poll for Those Who Consider Themselves Part of the Resistance
    « Reply #140 on: Yesterday at 05:27:22 PM »
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    • Suarez didn’t say that heretics are still members.  
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