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« on: August 10, 2016, 05:45:08 PM »
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  • My family has been attending Mass for 1 1/2 yrs at All Souls (diocesan) TLM in Sanford Fl. Well, Sunday (after 11 yrs) they changed the postures of the Mass. "Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem" are what the postures are following now. They have us stand a lot at places where we were kneeling (during the Sancus, the Agnus Dei etc).

    We felt like we entered the Twilight zone. There were many people we have never seen before.  A man stood to make announcements, just like the Novus Ordo parish we left. Also, the man's wife has never veiled.  The two wonderful ushers I have seen every Sunday were not there. It was so odd. Something deep inside of me told me to go to the SSPX Mass and never go to All Souls again. It felt like they bused our old Novus Ordo Parish in for this Mass. I truly don't want to ever attend there again if this is what it is now.

    We have never attended an SSPX Mass. The funny thing is- two weeks ago, a family at All Souls told us about Incarnation Parish in Orlando Fl.- which turned Catholic from Anglican in 2012. We went two weeks ago to Incarnation. The Mass was very traditional, but it is in English, not Latin. It was a beautiful Mass, but we wanted the Latin. Also, the readings follow Novus Ordo...(a,b,c year instead of traditional readings). And only St Michael prayer, no Leonine Prayers after Mass.

    So, after the Mass at All Souls, where they had us standing the majority of the time, I looked up St Thomas More SSPX Mass times. They have a Mass at 12:30 on Sundays and I was thrilled because we can go at that time.
    We teach Religious Education classes at our local Novus Ordo, we enjoy this, we feel we can teach our class something they may never hear otherwise. Classes start in two weeks and they are from 9-10 Sunday mornings.
    Well, I saw in the latest online bulletin at St Thomas More SSPX,  that starting in September, their latest Sunday Mass will be 10:30. We can't make that time. We are a little over an hour drive to Sanford.
    I was distressed because of this and realized our only other solution would be Incarnation Parish, but it would have to be the 6pm Saturday Vigil Mass.

    I know this is long and a bit confusing. If anyone has any advice on what they would do, please share. Please say a quick prayer for us that we know what we should do.

    Thank you for your time,
    Sandi



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    « Reply #1 on: August 10, 2016, 08:15:45 PM »
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    Something deep inside of me told me to go to the SSPX Mass and never go to All Souls again.


    You have to decide what you believe.

    How can you teach Religious Education classes when you haven't yet made up your own mind as to what you believe.

    It appears you'll attend any Mass as long as it makes you feel good regardless of whether it's Novus Ordo or the True Mass.

    If you're teaching at a Novus Ordo parish you are condoning their mass.

    It appears you'd actually skip Mass to teach

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    « Reply #2 on: August 10, 2016, 09:00:17 PM »
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    Well, I saw in the latest online bulletin at St Thomas More SSPX, that starting in September, their latest Sunday Mass will be 10:30. We can't make that time. We are a little over an hour drive to Sanford.

    Your Sunday obligation is the most important part of the week.  You need to make any and all changes possible to attend this mass.  It is priority #1.  

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    « Reply #3 on: August 10, 2016, 09:24:24 PM »
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    Your Sunday obligation is the most important part of the week.  You need to make any and all changes possible to attend this mass.  It is priority #1.


    Oh really, Pax?  What would you tell a family in Post Falls, ID:

    1) that it attend the local sspx ICC parish?

    2) that it attend either the Dominican or Carmelite Mass serviced by sspx priests, stationed at the ICC priory?

    3) that it attend the FSSP chapel in Coeur d'Alene, which counsels against attendance at sspx Masses because, they contend, sspx sacraments are "invalid?"

    4) that it go into Spokane for services at the Byzantine rite church there?

    5) that it attend maybe one of five or six NO parishes in PF and Coeur d'Alene?

    6) Or that it wait for so-called "Resistance" priests who are in the area about once a month or every 7 weeks?

    How do residents of North Idaho handle "priority #1?

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    « Reply #4 on: August 10, 2016, 09:45:10 PM »
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    My family has been attending Mass for 1 1/2 yrs at All Souls (diocesan) TLM in Sanford Fl. Well, Sunday (after 11 yrs) they changed the postures of the Mass. "Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem" are what the postures are following now. They have us stand a lot at places where we were kneeling (during the Sancus, the Agnus Dei etc).

    We felt like we entered the Twilight zone. There were many people we have never seen before.  A man stood to make announcements, just like the Novus Ordo parish we left. Also, the man's wife has never veiled.  The two wonderful ushers I have seen every Sunday were not there. It was so odd. Something deep inside of me told me to go to the SSPX Mass and never go to All Souls again. It felt like they bused our old Novus Ordo Parish in for this Mass. I truly don't want to ever attend there again if this is what it is now.

    We have never attended an SSPX Mass. The funny thing is- two weeks ago, a family at All Souls told us about Incarnation Parish in Orlando Fl.- which turned Catholic from Anglican in 2012. We went two weeks ago to Incarnation. The Mass was very traditional, but it is in English, not Latin. It was a beautiful Mass, but we wanted the Latin. Also, the readings follow Novus Ordo...(a,b,c year instead of traditional readings). And only St Michael prayer, no Leonine Prayers after Mass.

    So, after the Mass at All Souls, where they had us standing the majority of the time, I looked up St Thomas More SSPX Mass times. They have a Mass at 12:30 on Sundays and I was thrilled because we can go at that time.
    We teach Religious Education classes at our local Novus Ordo, we enjoy this, we feel we can teach our class something they may never hear otherwise. Classes start in two weeks and they are from 9-10 Sunday mornings.
    Well, I saw in the latest online bulletin at St Thomas More SSPX,  that starting in September, their latest Sunday Mass will be 10:30. We can't make that time. We are a little over an hour drive to Sanford.
    I was distressed because of this and realized our only other solution would be Incarnation Parish, but it would have to be the 6pm Saturday Vigil Mass.

    I know this is long and a bit confusing. If anyone has any advice on what they would do, please share. Please say a quick prayer for us that we know what we should do.

    Thank you for your time,
    Sandi



    For starters, quit teaching the Religious Ed classes at the Novus Ordo immediately and get out of the Novus Ordo altogether. This includes the Diocesan TLM, which is just another flavor of the Novus Ordo and a trap to deceive Catholics and draw them from the SSPX.  

    The SSPX is probably your best choice for now (I'm not familiar with the Resistance in FL), but you must start researching quickly and furiously what is going on with the Crisis in the Church, including getting up to speed on what is happening in Tradition and with Bishop Fellay. True Catholicism is about a lot more than just the TLM. You must get up to speed on the Faith and why the Novus Ordo is to be avoided at all costs, etc.  Use the hour you would have spent teaching Religious ED in the Novus Ordo for researching the Faith and Tradition, and then educating your family about Tradition. CathInfo is a good place to start.

    It is very late, so do not lose any time. The adage applies:  You cannot serve two Masters. Either it is Tradition or the Novus Ordo, but they are not compatible.



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    « Reply #5 on: August 10, 2016, 09:46:49 PM »
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  • While you should prioritize Mass over teaching catechism, none of those Masses sound like very good options to me.

    Perhaps someone in the area knows of another option. I know there is a chapel in Spring Hill, FL. Is that within driving distance for you?
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    Oh really, Pax?  What would you tell a family in Post Falls, ID:

    1) that it attend the local sspx ICC parish?

    2) that it attend either the Dominican or Carmelite Mass serviced by sspx priests, stationed at the ICC priory?

    3) that it attend the FSSP chapel in Coeur d'Alene, which counsels against attendance at sspx Masses because, they contend, sspx sacraments are "invalid?"

    4) that it go into Spokane for services at the Byzantine rite church there?

    5) that it attend maybe one of five or six NO parishes in PF and Coeur d'Alene?

    6) Or that it wait for so-called "Resistance" priests who are in the area about once a month or every 7 weeks?

    How do residents of North Idaho handle "priority #1?

    I would tell them to make the latin mass priority #1 and attend it if possible.  Don't make it more complicated than it is.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 10, 2016, 09:56:40 PM »
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    While you should prioritize Mass over teaching catechism, none of those Masses sound like very good options to me.

    Perhaps someone in the area knows of another option. I know there is a chapel in Spring Hill, FL. Is that within driving distance for you?


    What kind of Chapel is in Spring Hill?


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    « Reply #8 on: August 10, 2016, 10:00:29 PM »
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    While you should prioritize Mass over teaching catechism, none of those Masses sound like very good options to me.

    Perhaps someone in the area knows of another option. I know there is a chapel in Spring Hill, FL. Is that within driving distance for you?


    What kind of Chapel is in Spring Hill?


    http://www.olfatima.com/

    I've never been there, but I've listened to a few of the sermons posted online.
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    While you should prioritize Mass over teaching catechism, none of those Masses sound like very good options to me.

    Perhaps someone in the area knows of another option. I know there is a chapel in Spring Hill, FL. Is that within driving distance for you?


    What kind of Chapel is in Spring Hill?


    http://www.olfatima.com/

    I've never been there, but I've listened to a few of the sermons posted online.


    I checked out the link but it does not anywhere identify the clergy associated with it. That seems like an important thing to know, given the kinds of associations Fr. Pfeiffer, for example, has cultivated.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 11, 2016, 02:37:09 AM »
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    While you should prioritize Mass over teaching catechism, none of those Masses sound like very good options to me.

    Perhaps someone in the area knows of another option. I know there is a chapel in Spring Hill, FL. Is that within driving distance for you?


    What kind of Chapel is in Spring Hill?


    http://www.olfatima.com/

    I've never been there, but I've listened to a few of the sermons posted online.


    I checked out the link but it does not anywhere identify the clergy associated with it. That seems like an important thing to know, given the kinds of associations Fr. Pfeiffer, for example, has cultivated.


    The only pastor I'm aware of is Bishop Terence Fulham.
    Raised Anglican, studied at SSPX seminary, ordained by CMRI, left CMRI shortly thereafter, disavowed sedevacantism over a decade ago.
    I guess that would make him independent R&R.
    He was consecrated by someone from the Durante Costa line, but I don't know who, when or where, or even if he utilizes his episcopal capacities.

    There used to be a history of the parish including every past priest on their website, but I didn't find that now.
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    While you should prioritize Mass over teaching catechism, none of those Masses sound like very good options to me.

    Perhaps someone in the area knows of another option. I know there is a chapel in Spring Hill, FL. Is that within driving distance for you?


    What kind of Chapel is in Spring Hill?



    There is a resistance chapel in Jacksonville Fl St.Michael the Archangel.Bp.Williamson came and gave confirmations in July 2015 ,and Bp.Faure visited in November ,that should tell you all you need to know.

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    While you should prioritize Mass over teaching catechism, none of those Masses sound like very good options to me.

    Perhaps someone in the area knows of another option. I know there is a chapel in Spring Hill, FL. Is that within driving distance for you?


    What kind of Chapel is in Spring Hill?


    http://www.olfatima.com/

    I've never been there, but I've listened to a few of the sermons posted online.


    I checked out the link but it does not anywhere identify the clergy associated with it. That seems like an important thing to know, given the kinds of associations Fr. Pfeiffer, for example, has cultivated.


    The only pastor I'm aware of is Bishop Terence Fulham.
    Raised Anglican, studied at SSPX seminary, ordained by CMRI, left CMRI shortly thereafter, disavowed sedevacantism over a decade ago.
    I guess that would make him independent R&R.
    He was consecrated by someone from the Durante Costa line, but I don't know who, when or where, or even if he utilizes his episcopal capacities.

    There used to be a history of the parish including every past priest on their website, but I didn't find that now.


    It's under the logo: here
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    « Reply #13 on: August 11, 2016, 10:01:18 AM »
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  • I would look into Our Lady of Sorrows in Altamonte Springs; Immaculate Heart in Paisley; and Sacred Heart in Orlando.  If you are sincere about true Catholicism, you need to drop that new church teaching gig anyway.

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    « Reply #14 on: August 11, 2016, 11:09:55 AM »
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  • I would avoid the Duarte-Costa line, also.

    It goes back to Bishop and Communist sympathizer Carlos Duarte-Costa in mid-20th century Brazil, where he started his own church known as the ICAB - Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church in English - with his own rules after being excommunicated by Pius XII.

    This makes the episcopal lineage highly schismatic and doubtful.
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