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« on: August 01, 2015, 02:34:13 PM »
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  • Maybe I am wrong, but isn't it strange that no Traditionalist priests, bishops, or publications have said a word about the now four shocking planned parenthood videos.  The fourth one even seems to indicate that there will be a live birth harvest released sometime in the future.

    Do they share the same branding companies or what?
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    « Reply #1 on: August 01, 2015, 02:59:34 PM »
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  • Short answer: you're wrong.

    More detailed answer: What are you talking about?

    Firstly, you don't need to make veiled insults like that. The Resistance would never use a worldly means like a "branding company" to further its cause. Unlike the neo-SSPX, liberalism and the modern world have not taken over the Resistance.

    I, for one, never gave it a single thought. In the Resistance and such circles, they have a lot more things to discuss and debate about than "natural law" topics that need no commentary. For the Indult, that's all they have to launch a crusade about: obvious topics touching on the Natural Law. Pathetic, if you think about it.

    It's good that they're doing SOMETHING good, but you notice that's all most Indult groups do: protest at abortion clinics. They can't fight Modernism or anything like that; they're compromised.

    Seriously, an outrage like the recent PP videos needs no commentary, at least for Traditional Catholics. There is no controversy. The Resistance is 100% against abortion. Even traditional "enemies" like Bishop Sanborn, Bishop Fellay, Bishop Williamson, and Fr. Pfeiffer can all agree on stuff like this. Even the notorious Pablo is against Abortion!

    If there were a rash of Trads being OK with abortion, maybe some of these Trad personalities would speak out. But even Indult Catholics know the deal on abortion.
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    « Reply #2 on: August 01, 2015, 03:04:00 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson hasn't preached against widows committing ѕυιcιdє by throwing themselves on their husband's funeral pyres.

    What's the matter with him?  :rolleyes:

    ...or maybe it's a sin that his flock isn't having an issue with, so he doesn't feel the need to preach against it.

    Remember, every sermon he gives against such ѕυιcιdєs, seppuku, or abortion is a sermon he can't give on MORE RELEVANT topics for modern Americans. Just think of it as an opportunity cost. A priest has to prioritize -- which topic will do the most good for the greatest number of souls?

    Yes, a sermon against seppuku (Japanese ritual ѕυιcιdє) is GOOD (as in, better than nothing, or lacking any evils itself), but he can't give a sermon on that topic AND a sermon on using the Internet at the same time. He has to choose. Which is more likely to benefit his American audience?
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    « Reply #3 on: August 01, 2015, 03:17:30 PM »
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  • Well it wasn't a veiled insult or directed at the resistance, so you shouldn't make wild assumptions like that.  I actually came to the idea after looking at the recent Remnant headlines and seeing that it was missing.  So don't go out on a limb buddy.
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    « Reply #4 on: August 01, 2015, 03:39:18 PM »
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  • Matthew I never gave it a single thought. In the Resistance and such circles, they have a lot more things to discuss than "natural law" topics that need no commentary. For the Indult, that's all they have to launch a crusade about: obvious topics touching on the Natural Law.
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    Matthew Bishop Williamson hasn't given a single sermon against seppuku, has he? Maybe he doesn't need to. Every sermon against seppuku is time wasted on Americans, which could be better spent talking about more relevant topics such as the Internet, the Crisis in the Church, or keeping the Faith in the modern world.
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    CentroAmerica In the Indult, and I know this because I purposely attended the Argument of the Month where the Remant's Michael Matt speaks, the actually define a traditionalists as someone who is opposed to abortion, straight from the horse's mouth. Also, the Indul...See More
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    CentroAmerica I'm sorry but I was lost on finding a correlation between seppuku and Americans.
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    Matthew They are very busy just saying Mass these days. Remember how few they are, and how spread out they are. Also, there might be a dearth of news this week, but remember each of those juicy news bits takes a lot of work behind the scenes. Acquiring propert...See More
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    Matthew That was my point. Americans aren't tempted by seppuku (ritual Japanese ѕυιcιdє) and American Trads are all repulsed by abortion. No need to preach against it.
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    Matthew We can leave that to the protestants and Indulters to attack -- it's all they have! We have to push onward, beyond the Natural Law, to try to defend/conquer territory in the SUPERnatural sphere. Understand?
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    Matthew I've heard of Trads having kids out of wedlock; I've heard of many things, but I've never heard of Trads having an abortion.
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    CentroAmerica At this moment there is a huge international push for the gender ideology, which is also tied into population control and abortion. It's not that we need to inform Trads about this so much as inform the others. There is actually a Novus Ordo priest h...See More
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    Matthew First of all, politics is a hopeless cause in the USA. I don't know about Brazil. Second, there are tons of "good causes" that a priest can put his time into. Just because he isn't pursuing a particular battle doesn't make him defective.
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    Lawrence John Myers You raise an interesting question Michael. Every Traditional Catholic would have been shocked at the recent revelations with respect to Planned Parenthood in the US and the vast industry in harvesting organs from aborted babies that they have created. Should we be similarly shocked at the deafening silence from Traditional Catholic bishops and priests since the release of these videos? Certainly! But what have we ourselves done to try to stop this EVIL practice?
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    Matthew If there is a priest you admire, why not bring it up yourself and help spread the word? Maybe you have a special calling to help in one of these battles. But why the instant tendency to be negative -- as soon as you see one good priest doing something good, your first movement is "why aren't the other priests doing this" and publicly calling them out? Is that how bitter and negative we have become? You are complaining negatively about how some priests aren't out there making progress and doing good things -- why not set the example? You're basically guilty of the same thing here -- engaging in friendly fire where you should be out there fighting for Christ the King
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    CentroAmerica Before I left the US I prayed the Rosary with SSPX parishioners every Tuesday here... http://www.mysanantonio.com/.../Abortion-clinic-closes-in... It isn't much, but you asked.

    Abortion clinic closes in Corpus Christi
    SAN ANTONIO — The sole abortion provider in Corpus Christi has decided to retire, according to the...
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    CentroAmerica It isn't a complaint, only a simple mentioning of it since it provoked my curiosity. That is all. I really think that you are reading into my comment too much.
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    Matthew On CathInfo it was more of a veiled attack... you asked if they used the same Branding Corporation.
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    Matthew It's good that you helped shut down an abortuary, but that particular activity isn't an option for parishioners at my small chapel at this time. You'll have to trust me/us.
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    CentroAmerica Well the branding doesn't refer to the resistance,,,or does it??? It was a general refrence and that is my point.
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    Matthew What are you talking about -- the Resistance could never afford such a branding corporation, even if it wanted to. What are you suggesting?
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    Lawrence John Myers Please guys remember this is not a Pro-Resistance forum...please keep posts on CathInfo to that forum...not here...thanks. On the subject Michael raised I think there is a lot we can do if we are sufficiently motivated. Any suggestions?
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    « Reply #5 on: August 01, 2015, 03:41:43 PM »
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  • What a bore, I've got better stuff to do than be misinterpreted by defensive people who only look to argue about who knows what.
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    « Reply #6 on: August 01, 2015, 03:43:00 PM »
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  • Centro,

    I won't be responding any more on that FB page, just so you know.

    That Laurie Myers -- Sheesh! Talk about a tin pot dictator -- give a guy a FB group with 180 members and he becomes an egomaniac dictator. This isn't the first time I've seen him "flexing his muscles" either, or I wouldn't be saying anything.

    It's worse than those dictator types you encounter in charge of Homeowners' Associations. "NO, you can't hang dry your laundry." Some people just aren't cut out to handle power. Give them a little, and they get drunk with it. Meanwhile some men are noble enough to rule thousands of square miles and not have it go to their heads at all.

    But guys like this just love throwing their weight around.
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    « Reply #7 on: August 01, 2015, 03:44:10 PM »
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  • Actually, I don't think the videos are shocking in the least.  It is exactly what I would expect from Planned Parenthood.

    In any event, Matthew is correct in that there's really no reason to discuss much about the videos.  What is going on in abortion clinics, for a Catholic, isn't any more or less shocking than what they are doing with the body parts.  In any event, what makes you think that no traditional priest or bishop has said anything?  In the vast universe of traditional priests and bishops, there really aren't that many whose sermons are recorded and put online for you to download every week.


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    « Reply #8 on: August 01, 2015, 03:44:49 PM »
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  • Centro,

    Well excuse me for not keeping you properly entertained

     :rolleyes:

    I just fail to see what the problem is.

    Unless you have a particular case to complain about, why bring it up? Do you really know of a group of Resistance priests/laymen who are just wasting tons of time, sitting around on their hands, when they could be doing good deeds?

    I, for one, am not prepared to make such a sweeping judgment about people I don't know. On the contrary, I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt that they're doing their best with the limited free time and money they have.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 01, 2015, 03:46:08 PM »
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  • Well you have completely misinterpreted my post and it isn't in any pleasant way either.  I had no one in mind when I wrote it and if I had it would've been the Remnant.  I was sure that they would be the ones to say something.  Why would I make comments generalizing and attacking my friends?  The  people who performed my wedding and confirmed my wife...  That's more of an insult than my simple question, which I asked with the full desire of reading something posted showing that I was wrong!!!


    Wow, there is surely some ignorance in the air today.
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    « Reply #10 on: August 01, 2015, 03:48:35 PM »
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    Well you have completely misinterpreted my post and it isn't in any pleasant way either.  I had no one in mind when I wrote it and if I had it would've been the Remnant.  I was sure that they would be the ones to say something.  Why would I make comments generalizing and attacking my friends?  The  people who performed my wedding and confirmed my wife...  That's more of an insult than my simple question, which I asked with the full desire of reading something posted showing that I was wrong!!!


    I thought you were insulting the Resistance with the dig about "the same branding corporation"

    If I misunderstood, then my bad.

    I didn't mean to insult you -- I just meant to defend some individuals who I believe deserve that favor.
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    « Reply #11 on: August 01, 2015, 03:50:44 PM »
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    Maybe I am wrong, but isn't it strange that no Traditionalist priests, bishops, or publications have said a word about the now four shocking planned parenthood videos.  The fourth one even seems to indicate that there will be a live birth harvest released sometime in the future.

    Do they share the same branding companies or what?


    Ah, I see now. You weren't intending to include the Resistance in this charge.

    But on FB, you certainly brought them into it. Furthermore, the Resistance is certainly considered "Traditionalist". See where the confusion came in?

    Anyhow, we can proceed to discuss now that the confusion is (hopefully) behind us.
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    « Reply #12 on: August 01, 2015, 05:09:14 PM »
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  • It actually occured to me while praying the first five decades that the "branding" remark was misinterpreted where I used the pronoun "they".  Just to clarify, the "they" referred to the branding company (public relations company) of PP that asked the media not to talk about it, and whoever else might happen to be using a branding company.

    I mentioned the Ridgefield letters, as a time when Bishop Williamson spoke about American issues as an American resident and directrd to the American people.  Many times, as an English professor, I am forced to make my students understand merely by context. It is a habit of mine, so I thought context would be considered.

    I am surprised the Matthew would come so strongly to accuse me of posting against the resistance, since I actively attend resistance chapels, was married in a resistance chapel, and have a blog that says at the top that it supports the USML.  Weird.  
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    « Reply #13 on: August 01, 2015, 05:58:36 PM »
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    I am surprised the Matthew would come so strongly to accuse me of posting against the resistance, since I actively attend resistance chapels, was married in a resistance chapel, and have a blog that says at the top that it supports the USML.  Weird.  


    Well, it wouldn't be the first time that a "supporter" was critical of someone or something.

    I'm glad to hear you weren't criticizing the Resistance in this way.

    I did see it as an opportunity to discuss, as usual. After all, we periodically get people on here that are all about "action" and we just talked about this a few weeks ago.

    I found the conversation and pasted it in a new thread (I meant to do it when the thread was newer)

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Everyone-get-off-your-butts-Catholic-Action
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    « Reply #14 on: August 01, 2015, 07:28:27 PM »
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    Well you have completely misinterpreted my post and it isn't in any pleasant way either.  I had no one in mind when I wrote it and if I had it would've been the Remnant.  I was sure that they would be the ones to say something.  Why would I make comments generalizing and attacking my friends?  The  people who performed my wedding and confirmed my wife...  That's more of an insult than my simple question, which I asked with the full desire of reading something posted showing that I was wrong!!!


    Wow, there is surely some ignorance in the air today.


    Since I misinterpreted your original post as well and I'm not even concerned with the Resistance and it still sounds to me like you're condemning all traditional Catholic priests and bishops because none of them have "said a word about the now four shocking planned parenthood videos" in a forum you have seen and since I don't even know what the FB forum is where, apparently, you have had a much larger conversation on the issue, would you explain what you really meant by your opening post?