Author Topic: PIUS X SOCIETY SELF DESTRUCTING (Read 13944 times)

mw2016 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 23, 2016, 07:54:42 PM »

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Is this "Dawn Marie" the Dawn Marie Anderson, the seer, whom a number on this site have rejected in the past?

Why would people here be ripping on Dawn Marie when Bp. Williamson believes her??

cosmas · « **Reply #16 on:** August 24, 2016, 12:46:41 AM »

My apologies, I will try to check my sources better after this. I got the article from Tradcatknight as a complete article.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #17 on:** August 24, 2016, 09:32:49 AM »

Quote from: cosmas

•In Cleveland Ohio at the SSPX chapel there one Father Scott was caught throwing out artwork, devotional handbooks, cruets, candlesticks and even the furniture in the sacristy. Why? Why would any priest in their right minds do such a thing?

As someone who has regularly attended St. Peregrine's in Cleveland, I can attest to the fact that 90% of the stuff in that chapel (artwork, cruets, candlesticks, furniture) was downright hideous from an aesthetic standpoint. In fact, the entire altar needs replaced. I would have thrown it all out as well.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #18 on:** August 24, 2016, 09:59:06 AM »

mw:

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Why would people here be ripping on Dawn Marie when Bp. Williamson believes her??

Exactly the point I'm trying to get at. We understand that DM is inaccurate in her description of the situation. That being the case, then, of course, it is a direct reflection upon the bishop. So what are the facts?

JacobRCharpentier · « **Reply #19 on:** August 24, 2016, 11:09:28 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: cosmas

•In Cleveland Ohio at the SSPX chapel there one Father Scott was caught throwing out artwork, devotional handbooks, cruets, candlesticks and even the furniture in the sacristy. Why? Why would any priest in their right minds do such a thing?

As someone who has regularly attended St. Peregrine's in Cleveland, I can attest to the fact that 90% of the stuff in that chapel (artwork, cruets, candlesticks, furniture) was downright hideous from an aesthetic standpoint. In fact, the entire altar needs replaced. I would have thrown it all out as well.

I too attended St. Peregrine's, probably for more years than Laddy. Let us all take a moment to bask in the warmth of the light cast by someone as knowledgeable as Laddy.

Now back to reality. The Furniture Fr. Scott tossed was not ugly or hideous. Something not mentioned were the vestments which were sold or given away. The vestments were definitely not hideous. Then there are the red cassocks which were only a few years old and also shipped off by Fr. Scott.

Let us not forget about Fr. Scott's thing about shinny brass. He made it his business to know how we got the brass bells do shinny. He insisted he had a better way to shine the brass and we would do well to consider using his method. I thought priests saved souls not brass bells.

And Fr. Scott did the same "sell off the valuables" in Erie as well as Cleveland. I suppose the photograph of Fr. Sullivan, the founder of St. Peregrine's which was found in the trash can was probably judged as hideous as well, and was found in the trash with the St. Peregrine devotional prayer books also judged as hideous.

Someone asked why not ask why? That question was placed with Fr. Rostand. Ultimately there was a response, "Thank you for your concern." They don't care, Fr. Scott was just doing what he was told by the Euro centrists.

Under Fr. Scott, the Sunday offering dropped from the $1400s to the $800s. Apparently the people were not pleased with how shinny the brass was.

One of these days I will have to locate my sermon notes. Fr. Scott had some real winners. But I do recall one Sunday when the Passion was to be read. Fr. Scott took the N.O. short cut, doing the three minute version, a point noted by a parishioner, Mickey, in an email to the members of the parish, and contrary to popular belief, Mickey was not Dawn Marie as reported by some members of the Parish. Even back then, they were trying to smear Dawn Marie. So, back to the passion. Fr. Scott was not up to reading the oassion. What if Our Lord had said He was not up for His pain and suffering waiting for Him.

Dawn M A · « **Reply #20 on:** August 25, 2016, 01:58:21 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: cosmas

•In Cleveland Ohio at the SSPX chapel there one Father Scott was caught throwing out artwork, devotional handbooks, cruets, candlesticks and even the furniture in the sacristy. Why? Why would any priest in their right minds do such a thing?

As someone who has regularly attended St. Peregrine's in Cleveland, I can attest to the fact that 90% of the stuff in that chapel (artwork, cruets, candlesticks, furniture) was downright hideous from an aesthetic standpoint. In fact, the entire altar needs replaced. I would have thrown it all out as well.

I would be interested to know someone you could list who attends St. Peregrines who can reliably state that you attend Mass there, now or for that matter ever.

After your email (some time ago) I checked our old registry and called around to some friends who have been attending St. P. for over 20 years and gave them your supposed real name. No one had ever heard of you. I certainly do not know you.

As for holy pictures, cruets, candlesticks furniture etc being thrown out it indeed happened. As for what they did in Connecticut well all you have to do is ask the people who were there as I did.

To the poster regarding Fr. Godadddy (sp?) being a novus ordo, I'm pretty sure I read here that he was some seminarian or priest from the nordo brought to the SSPX. If that is incorrect, which I doubt, his actions were more than nordo. At least if he was from the novus ordo one might be more inclined to understand why he would have behaved the way he did trashing things there since that is commonplace in novus ordo land. But if you say he was not and he is actually formed and ordained in the SSPX than frankly I find that even more disturbing.

Dawn M A · « **Reply #21 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:09:08 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

mw:
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Why would people here be ripping on Dawn Marie when Bp. Williamson believes her??

Exactly the point I'm trying to get at. We understand that DM is inaccurate in her description of the situation. That being the case, then, of course, it is a direct reflection upon the bishop. So what are the facts?

What so called facts are in question Hollingsworth?

For the record Laudi, this was the altar there. I don't see anything hideous about it nor are the statues visible in this photo hideous (naturally I don't believe these were thrown out, I certainly hope they were not, but it is a reflection of what kind of statuary is found there meaning not hideous nor worthy of being thrown in the trash).

JacobRCharpentier · « **Reply #22 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:47:08 PM »

Quote from: Dawn M A

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: cosmas

•In Cleveland Ohio at the SSPX chapel there one Father Scott was caught throwing out artwork, devotional handbooks, cruets, candlesticks and even the furniture in the sacristy. Why? Why would any priest in their right minds do such a thing?

As someone who has regularly attended St. Peregrine's in Cleveland, I can attest to the fact that 90% of the stuff in that chapel (artwork, cruets, candlesticks, furniture) was downright hideous from an aesthetic standpoint. In fact, the entire altar needs replaced. I would have thrown it all out as well.

I would be interested to know someone you could list who attends St. Peregrines who can reliably state that you attend Mass there, now or for that matter ever.

After your email (some time ago) I checked our old registry and called around to some friends who have been attending St. P. for over 20 years and gave them your supposed real name. No one had ever heard of you. I certainly do not know you.

As for holy pictures, cruets, candlesticks furniture etc being thrown out it indeed happened. As for what they did in Connecticut well all you have to do is ask the people who were there as I .

I don't know what registry you used, but DM was definitely at St. P. She was there when Fr. Libietis was pastor, and through Fr. Heggenberger. I am sorry your information is incomplete. As for no kne ever hearing if her, I say who did yoh ask? For that matter, I have no idea who you are, perhaps you were never really there.

The St.p. altar photo is also valid. Taken before Fr. Scott's reign. He never allowed that many flowers on the altar. Fr. Scott removed those small horizontal shelf like structures below the statues. The BVM and Sacred Heart are wall hung.

Jake

cathman7 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 25, 2016, 02:49:39 PM »

Quote from: Dawn M A

To the poster regarding Fr. Godadddy (sp?) being a novus ordo, I'm pretty sure I read here that he was some seminarian or priest from the nordo brought to the SSPX. If that is incorrect, which I doubt, his actions were more than nordo. At least if he was from the novus ordo one might be more inclined to understand why he would have behaved the way he did trashing things there since that is commonplace in novus ordo land. But if you say he was not and he is actually formed and ordained in the SSPX than frankly I find that even more disturbing.

His name is Fr. Goldade. He spent 6 years in Winona and comes from a long-time SSPX family. Who are you?

JacobRCharpentier · « **Reply #24 on:** August 25, 2016, 04:15:14 PM »

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Quote from: hollingsworth
mw:
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Why would people here be ripping on Dawn Marie when Bp. Williamson believes her??

Exactly the point I'm trying to get at. We understand that DM is inaccurate in her description of the situation. That being the case, then, of course, it is a direct reflection upon the bishop. So what are the facts?

What so called facts are in question Hollingsworth?

For the record Laudi, this was the altar there. I don't see anything hideous about it nor are the statues visible in this photo hideous (naturally I don't believe these were thrown out, I certainly hope they were not, but it is a reflection of what kind of statuary is found there meaning not hideous nor worthy of being thrown in the trash).

Yes, those statues seen in the photo are still there. An image of St. Michael the Archangel was removed as was an image of the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, both missing in action. So, DM was right about the statues/artwork. Those of you who claim to be members of St. P. can you tell me where the above noted pieces of artwork have gone? And the old Stations of the Cross have been replaced with hideous versions of the same. Originals are also missing in action.

Jake

Miseremini · « **Reply #25 on:** August 25, 2016, 04:59:09 PM »

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The St.p. altar photo is also valid. Taken before Fr. Scott's reign. He never allowed that many flowers on the altar. Fr. Scott removed those small horizontal shelf like structures below the statues. The BVM and Sacred Heart are wall hung.

Jake

Which Fr. Scott are you referring to?

JacobRCharpentier · « **Reply #26 on:** August 25, 2016, 06:33:45 PM »

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Quote from: JacobRCharpentier

The St.p. altar photo is also valid. Taken before Fr. Scott's reign. He never allowed that many flowers on the altar. Fr. Scott removed those small horizontal shelf like structures below the statues. The BVM and Sacred Heart are wall hung.

Jake

Which Fr. Scott are you referring to?

Fr. Thomas Scott.Fr. Peter Scott was never that low.

songbird · « **Reply #27 on:** August 25, 2016, 07:23:18 PM »

Brings back memories. At a Air Force base, I was secretary to the Chaplain for a group. We had a meeting in the chaplains home (off base). He directed us to a room and pointed to pictures on all 3 walls. They were pictures of before and after results of his hobby. Hobby of renovating chapels.

THe group moved in and out of the room. I stayed for some moments taking a hard look and that's what he did. Pictures showed statues in and then out. Stain glass windows of Christ and then just plain colored glass. It was shocking to me a New Order parishioner. Thank God I am not there. That was in the late 1980's.

Wessex · « **Reply #28 on:** August 26, 2016, 05:15:26 AM »

Today you have to be a few steps ahead and anticipate change. My parents and grandparents in their day were well tuned into streams of nuanced changes occurring at the behest of the new breed of clerics eager to assert themselves. And this was a half century ago. The process was cuмulative and once started could not be stopped. A programme of integrating with other trad bodies would be logical where there is a problem of viability and if the Roman project is well advanced I think one would expect this. Consolidation, streamlining and assimilation would be consonant with the new direction.

mw2016 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 07, 2016, 02:44:28 PM »

Quote from: Wessex

Today you have to be a few steps ahead and anticipate change. My parents and grandparents in their day were well tuned into streams of nuanced changes occurring at the behest of the new breed of clerics eager to assert themselves. And this was a half century ago. The process was cuмulative and once started could not be stopped. A programme of integrating with other trad bodies would be logical where there is a problem of viability and if the Roman project is well advanced I think one would expect this. Consolidation, streamlining and assimilation would be consonant with the new direction.

This is an interesting observations, as it seems to be playing out all over again in SPPX chapels in preparation for the "deal with Rome."

Perhaps they could call the deal Vatican 3.0?