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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Coillte7 on April 09, 2024, 04:22:48 PM
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I have noticed that my local SSPX chapel has installed a photo of "Pope" Francis (alongside Archbishop Léfebvre and Fr Pagliarini) at the entrance and was wondering is this a common occurence across other chapels?
Also, did the SSPX of former times ever place photos of prior Conciliar Popes in their chapels?
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I have noticed that my local SSPX chapel has installed a photo of "Pope" Francis (alongside Archbishop Léfebvre and Fr Pagliarini) at the entrance and was wondering is this a common occurence across other chapels?
Also, did the SSPX of former times ever place photos of prior Conciliar Popes in their chapels?
They must have one, a disgrace, I know. Unfortunately, I think it stems from Lefebvre's time although I don't know for sure.
I assume that your chapel hasn't just installed a new photo but that it was always there but you just haven't noticed.
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No these photos were definitely only installed very recently. I also heard that another SSPX church a few hours away has recently put up a photo of Francis as well so I think there is some coordinated effort ongoing.
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I remember photos of Msgr. Lefebvre and Wojtyła in chapel narthexes back in the 1980s and 90s.
I also remember a fiesty old woman taking down a Wojtyła photo and tossing it into a dust bin, frame and all, making sure the glass pane shattered on impact.
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I also remember a fiesty old woman taking down a Wojtyła photo and tossing it into a dust bin, frame and all, making sure the glass pane shattered on impact.
:laugh1: I like her.
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This practice has been going on for decades. Nothing new. Perhaps these chapels were behind the times or had a more conservative priest assigned who was later reassigned.
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This practice has been going on for decades. Nothing new. Perhaps these chapels were behind the times or had a more conservative priest assigned who was later reassigned.
If I had to guess, one reason is probably to gain the confidence of Newchurchers who either decide to satisfy their curiosity and see what a TLM is like ("see, Madge, these people aren't so bad, they're in union with Pope Francis"), or who might stumble into an SSPX chapel not realizing it isn't a "regular" parish church. The latter could happen especially in areas with many tourists, though when the Mass is, ahem, different from what they've ever experienced before, well, that could be received differently by different people.
I've stumbled upon "strange" churches when traveling myself. I once went to Mass in Pittsburgh, to some ethnic parish I was passing on Ascension Thursday, and to this day, I have no earthly idea what language they were speaking. I'm kind of guessing Hungarian.
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True. Like others have said the picture of Bergoligo is not new. However, ever since COVID the SSPX has pamphlets or brochures all over their chapels to placate the Novus Ordo refugees who believe the SSPX is schismatic. It’s a marketing ploy to get more people in the chapel.
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True. Like others have said the picture of Bergoligo is not new. However, ever since COVID the SSPX has pamphlets or brochures all over their chapels to placate the Novus Ordo refugees who believe the SSPX is schismatic. It’s a marketing ploy to get more people in the chapel.
Full-colour, glossy brochures existed back in the 1980s for the SSPX US District. These were almost ubiquitous in the chapels. Then, they just sort of disappeared in the 1990s. I am not sure if the supply ran out and they were not reprinted, or if they were yanked by the US District for some reason or other.
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If I had to guess, one reason is probably to gain the confidence of Newchurchers who either decide to satisfy their curiosity and see what a TLM is like ("see, Madge, these people aren't so bad, they're in union with Pope Francis"), or who might stumble into an SSPX chapel not realizing it isn't a "regular" parish church. The latter could happen especially in areas with many tourists, though when the Mass is, ahem, different from what they've ever experienced before, well, that could be received differently by different people.
Or to make sure they aren't mistaken for those evil sedes! :laugh1:
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Or to make sure they aren't mistaken for those evil sedes! :laugh1:
Yeah, that's a large part of it. How ridiculously childish that all is. SVism is a legitimate opinion, as +Lefebvre himself indicated, given that the various Doctors and theologians discussed just such a possibility. While no one can force them to agree with the position, it's also very childish of them to attempt to demonize it and dogmatize their anti-sedevacantism.
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Or to make sure they aren't mistaken for those evil sedes! :laugh1:
That too. When you have a picture of the present occupant of the Chair of Peter in the vestibule, that just screams "oh, and by the way, we're not sedevacantist".
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I have noticed that my local SSPX chapel has installed a photo of "Pope" Francis (alongside Archbishop Léfebvre and Fr Pagliarini) at the entrance and was wondering is this a common occurence across other chapels?
Also, did the SSPX of former times ever place photos of prior Conciliar Popes in their chapels?
What's wrong with having a picture of Bergoglio in an SSPX chapel? They recognize him as their true and legitimate "pope", don't they?
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That too. When you have a picture of the present occupant of the Chair of Peter in the vestibule, that just screams "oh, and by the way, we're not sedevacantist".
What if that picture is on a dart board?
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Yeah, that's a large part of it. How ridiculously childish that all is. SVism is a legitimate opinion, as +Lefebvre himself indicated, given that the various Doctors and theologians discussed just such a possibility. While no one can force them to agree with the position, it's also very childish of them to attempt to demonize it and dogmatize their anti-sedevacantism.
Yes, but at the end of day, the Mass at any TLM venue is either una cuм or it's not.
And unless someone is sitting on the front row and has very good hearing, it won't be obvious one way or the other.
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What if that picture is on a dart board?
:laugh1:
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What if that picture is on a dart board?
Then you know your at a sede chapel. :laugh1:
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https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~2Thess.C2.L1.n40
40. When he says so that he sits in the temple of God, showing himself as if he were God, he gives the sign of this wrongdoing. For the Antichrist’s pride is greater than the pride of all who came before him. So as it is written of Gaius Caesar that he wanted to be worshiped while he was still alive, and put statues of himself in every temple, and as Ezekiel says of the king of Tyre, I have said that I am God (Ezek 28:2), so it is quite believable that the Antichrist will act as they did, saying that he is both God and man. And as a sign of this he will sit in the temple.
"statues" = statuam = likenesses = portraits
Bergoglio is the Antichrist. His teaching can be found here:
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2024/04/08/240408c.html
1. (Dignitas infinita) Every human person possesses an infinite dignity, inalienably grounded in his or her very being, which prevails in and beyond every circuмstance, state, or situation the person may ever encounter.
"inalienable" = cannot be lost
"grounded in his or her very being" = not grounded in God
So "original sin" and the "state of grace" are irrelevant and meaningless concepts under this new philosophical anthropology.
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From books on prophecy I've read over the years, the Antichrist is a political person and the false prophet (teacher) is an apostate bishop.
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From books on prophecy I've read over the years, the Antichrist is a political person and the false prophet (teacher) is an apostate bishop.
Bergoglio is "a political person." In this political role, he meets with and directs world leaders. He pushes those leaders to implement "climate change" mitigation policies, suicidal immigration policies, etc. This is his "Beast from the Sea" role (Apocalypse 13:1).
The Church Fathers explain that the Antichrist will be like the Roman emperors. Those emperors did not try to insert themselves into the day-to-day running of every part of the empire. The emperors used local leaders, like Herod, to give conquered peoples the impression that they were ruled by their own rulers. But those local leaders were just puppets of the Caesar.
So, similarly, the Antichrist allows other local/regional politicians to appear to control their nations, but it is he who is actually in control. Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ has used this model for many years. The freemasons control both sides of the political spectrum in all the countries.
Bergoglio is also "the apostate bishop," the False Prophet, the "Beast from the Earth" (Apocalypse 13:11). In this role, he plays the role of the Roman Emperor as the Supreme Pontiff. The alternative name of the emperor was the "Pontifex Maximus." So, that phrase, now used by the Catholic Popes was originally a Roman imperial term referring to the emperor in his role as "the high priest" of the Roman Pantheon.
These two beasts in the Apocalypse are describing two "roles" played by the same person: the Antichrist, Jorge Mario Bergoglio.