Author Topic: Picture of Vatican II Popes in Your Home? (Read 2937 times)

Last Tradhican · « **on:** February 18, 2017, 10:27:30 AM »

Two Vatican II popes are declared saints. How many SSPXers (priests and laity) have pictures of the Vatican II popes in their homes or offices?

Charlemagne · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2017, 12:15:10 PM »

We have a huge portrait of Pope St. Pius X hanging. As for those you mention, one might as well enthrone Satan in his home if he'd hang a portrait of either of those two.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2017, 01:00:27 PM »

I have a photo of Francis giving the Illuminati sign with his fingers during his
speech before Congress. He is telling the truth in this regard that he is
on the side of the darkside.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2017, 02:20:38 PM »

How many SSPX priests have Vatican II popes pictures in their priory of offices, any one ever see one?

I know they have to have a picture of Francis at the SSPX chapel, but do they have pictures of any Vatican II popes anywhere where they live?

Why not?

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2017, 03:16:09 PM »

This is a stupid thread. It's a pathetic attempt at mockery of the "recognize and resist" position.

But do note the "resist" part.

Most Traditional Catholics, SSPX included, would consider Pope Francis to be possibly the worst pope in history, if he even turns out to be a pope. (Plenty of SSPXers, myself included have their doubts. That doesn't mean we're going to go ahead and depose him. That's not our place.)

Recognize and resist means doing everything necessary, and nothing unnecessary, to keep the Faith. That's the simplest version I can distill.

Seriously, this argument is ridiculous. It's like going up to a woman who is being emotionally abused by her husband (but who stays with her husband for the sake of the children and her marriage vow), and ask her if she has a picture of him in her wallet.

Just because you acknowledge someone as holding an office -- or fail to DEPOSE such a one -- doesn't mean you're a big fan, or that you would do ANYTHING "over and above" to show an especial fondness or devotion for that individual.

It is not required to have Jєωelry, photos, etc. with your spouse's name or image. Likewise, it is not required to surround yourself with pictures/words of the pope, nor even follow his every move.

A woman might stay with her abusive husband. But she doesn't have to make cupcakes, each with a different letter, spelling out his name to celebrate his birthday. Nor does she have to keep any photos of him around her living quarters.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2017, 04:24:07 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

It's a pathetic attempt at mockery of the "recognize and resist" position.

Totally wrong. It has nothing to do with R&R. It appears that you have been made very touchy on the subject of R&R.

You are not the one joining Rome, you are not even an SSPXer anymore. If the SSPX continues on its present trajectory it will lose the second R.

How many of the SSPX laity and priests have pictures of the Vatican II popes in their homes and offices? I doubt a one has one. How can this be, if they want to join Bergolio?

Incredulous · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2017, 07:51:15 PM »

We have this one on display at home.

The children have been instructed that the balloon staff represents the "hot air" of his papacy.

Matthew · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2017, 08:05:05 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican

Quote from: Matthew
It's a pathetic attempt at mockery of the "recognize and resist" position.

Totally wrong. It has nothing to do with R&R. It appears that you have been made very touchy on the subject of R&R.

You are not the one joining Rome, you are not even an SSPXer anymore. If the SSPX continues on its present trajectory it will lose the second R.

How many of the SSPX laity and priests have pictures of the Vatican II popes in their homes and offices? I doubt a one has one. How can this be, if they want to join Bergolio?

First of all, please dispense with the BS. That's a classic bully tactic. A bully will push and torment someone every day, until one day the victim snaps and just punches him. At that point the bully feigns innocence and pretends as if he is the victim, and his victim started it. He will even taunt back aloud, "Whoah, man, you have some anger management issues! What's your problem?"

In other words, Sede vs. R&R is a frequent argument here on CathInfo, a forum on which I allow sedevacantists. So you better believe I'm a bit touchy, like a man in the trenches who's used to shooting at others and being shot at every day.

Anyhow, moving on to the main point of my response --

True, I'm not with the neo-SSPX. And it's also true that they are fast losing the "resist" portion of the equation. Hence the need for the Resistance, to keep the classic SSPX position alive somewhere.

I suppose some of the neo-SSPX laity are just following the leader -- Bishop Fellay. They are too apathetic to put themselves out about anything. They want no inconveniences, including staying informed, looking up anything, or thinking for themselves.

They can't be arsed to drive an extra 30 minutes to a Resistance Mass center. True story; I have proof! There is a permanent Resistance chapel 40 minutes from the San Antonio SSPX chapel, and yet almost NO ONE from that chapel even comes to the Resistance chapel nearby, even on an occasional basis. Pure apathy.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2017, 08:23:22 PM »

We are Catholics. Make sure everyone has a picture of the Sacred Heart of Jesus......then Immaculate Heart of Mary with St Joseph.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #9 on:** February 18, 2017, 09:13:20 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Sede vs. R&R is a frequent argument here on CathInfo, a forum on which I allow sedevacantists. So you better believe I'm a bit touchy, like a man in the trenches who's used to shooting at others and being shot at every day.

I've been in the trenches much longer, but I never let "them" get under my skin. Read the WWFCD thread. Even the Dimond's always got along with me, even though I disagreed with them about my going to SSPX chapels. We are all in the same boat, R&R and Sede and everyone in between.

I think the only difference between you and I may be that I was never convinced by the SSPX fearmonger about the "evil sedes". They are Catholics. Who knows, only time will tell if they were right, things in Rome appear to be developing in there direction as time passes.

Sbyvl · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2017, 10:41:13 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

This is a stupid thread. It's a pathetic attempt at mockery of the "recognize and resist" position.

But do note the "resist" part.

Most Traditional Catholics, SSPX included, would consider Pope Francis to be possibly the worst pope in history, if he even turns out to be a pope. (Plenty of SSPXers, myself included have their doubts. That doesn't mean we're going to go ahead and depose him. That's not our place.)

Recognize and resist means doing everything necessary, and nothing unnecessary, to keep the Faith. That's the simplest version I can distill.

Seriously, this argument is ridiculous. It's like going up to a woman who is being emotionally abused by her husband (but who stays with her husband for the sake of the children and her marriage vow), and ask her if she has a picture of him in her wallet.

Just because you acknowledge someone as holding an office -- or fail to DEPOSE such a one -- doesn't mean you're a big fan, or that you would do ANYTHING "over and above" to show an especial fondness or devotion for that individual.

It is not required to have Jєωelry, photos, etc. with your spouse's name or image. Likewise, it is not required to surround yourself with pictures/words of the pope, nor even follow his every move.

A woman might stay with her abusive husband. But she doesn't have to make cupcakes, each with a different letter, spelling out his name to celebrate his birthday. Nor does she have to keep any photos of him around her living quarters.

Bellarmine taught that a doubtful pope is to be treated as a non-pope.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #11 on:** February 28, 2017, 06:52:25 PM »

Quote from: Sbyvl

Quote from: Matthew
This is a stupid thread. It's a pathetic attempt at mockery of the "recognize and resist" position.

But do note the "resist" part.

Most Traditional Catholics, SSPX included, would consider Pope Francis to be possibly the worst pope in history, if he even turns out to be a pope. (Plenty of SSPXers, myself included have their doubts. That doesn't mean we're going to go ahead and depose him. That's not our place.)

Recognize and resist means doing everything necessary, and nothing unnecessary, to keep the Faith. That's the simplest version I can distill.

Seriously, this argument is ridiculous. It's like going up to a woman who is being emotionally abused by her husband (but who stays with her husband for the sake of the children and her marriage vow), and ask her if she has a picture of him in her wallet.

Just because you acknowledge someone as holding an office -- or fail to DEPOSE such a one -- doesn't mean you're a big fan, or that you would do ANYTHING "over and above" to show an especial fondness or devotion for that individual.

It is not required to have Jєωelry, photos, etc. with your spouse's name or image. Likewise, it is not required to surround yourself with pictures/words of the pope, nor even follow his every move.

A woman might stay with her abusive husband. But she doesn't have to make cupcakes, each with a different letter, spelling out his name to celebrate his birthday. Nor does she have to keep any photos of him around her living quarters.

Bellarmine taught that a doubtful pope is to be treated as a non-pope.

But, but..."the whole world" recognizes him as Pope. Ignore the fact that "the whole world," including those infesting the Vatican, has either lost the Faith or never had it.

JPaul · « **Reply #12 on:** February 28, 2017, 07:44:27 PM »

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But, but..."the whole world" recognizes him as Pope. Ignore the fact that "the whole world," including those infesting the Vatican, has either lost the Faith or never had it.

True enough, and one must suspend his reasoning faculties to believe that the "whole world" is the arbiter of the Christian Faith.
Ridiculous!

And why would a Catholic want a picture of such a person hanging in His house? Would one hang a photo of Martin Luther there as well? A distinction without a difference objectively speaking.

Sbyvl · « **Reply #13 on:** February 28, 2017, 09:48:13 PM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

Quote from: Sbyvl
Quote from: Matthew
This is a stupid thread. It's a pathetic attempt at mockery of the "recognize and resist" position.

But do note the "resist" part.

Most Traditional Catholics, SSPX included, would consider Pope Francis to be possibly the worst pope in history, if he even turns out to be a pope. (Plenty of SSPXers, myself included have their doubts. That doesn't mean we're going to go ahead and depose him. That's not our place.)

Recognize and resist means doing everything necessary, and nothing unnecessary, to keep the Faith. That's the simplest version I can distill.

Seriously, this argument is ridiculous. It's like going up to a woman who is being emotionally abused by her husband (but who stays with her husband for the sake of the children and her marriage vow), and ask her if she has a picture of him in her wallet.

Just because you acknowledge someone as holding an office -- or fail to DEPOSE such a one -- doesn't mean you're a big fan, or that you would do ANYTHING "over and above" to show an especial fondness or devotion for that individual.

It is not required to have Jєωelry, photos, etc. with your spouse's name or image. Likewise, it is not required to surround yourself with pictures/words of the pope, nor even follow his every move.

A woman might stay with her abusive husband. But she doesn't have to make cupcakes, each with a different letter, spelling out his name to celebrate his birthday. Nor does she have to keep any photos of him around her living quarters.

Bellarmine taught that a doubtful pope is to be treated as a non-pope.

But, but..."the whole world" recognizes him as Pope. Ignore the fact that "the whole world," including those infesting the Vatican, has either lost the Faith or never had it.

The whole world may say he's pope, but it's not as if anyone (except for perhaps a few Novus Ordo conservatives) treats him as the proximate rule of Faith, which is what the universal acceptance doctrine actually addresses.

Wessex · « **Reply #14 on:** March 01, 2017, 06:56:04 AM »

If you are recognising the coinage of Rome, you must suspend personal preferences as the SSPX had done. But rendering unto Bergoglio becomes an impossibility if you accept he is a promoter of a counter-faith. How can there now be a middle way?