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Do you see anything wrong with an "Ora Pro Nobis" Harley, Academy boys running in shorts, or Mass on a Jeep hood without necessity?

Yes, these things are all problematic.
16 (51.6%)
Tempest in a Teacup (i.e., nitpicking)
9 (29%)
What's the problem?
6 (19.4%)

Total Members Voted: 29

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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
« Reply #135 on: January 21, 2020, 03:06:50 PM »
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  • There is absolutely no merit in my eyes, from a masculinity standpoint.  There is an argument from a catholic culture/high class perspective, but that has nothing to do with teaching boys how to be men.  The idea that you would preach to boys about masculinity, through fashion, is such a waste of time (and a total contradiction), because men (on the whole) are not fashion oriented.  It would be like attempting to teach girls how to care for infants, by telling them how to sharpen a lawn mower blade.
    I only hope your incomprehension is deliberate, if you have reduced and distorted forbidding shorts to boys into “teaching masculinity through fashion,” because if you are really that dumb, you are in a lot of trouble.
    You would have done well in Pfeifferville.
    To show you what you are doing, all of my subsequent responses to you in this thread are going to emulate your technique, in the hopes that, being on the receiving end, it might start to sink in.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #136 on: January 21, 2020, 03:07:11 PM »
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  • Aside from that, here is what we know of Laxislaus:

    [blah blah blah]

    Yet another effeminate rant from Johnson, launching into yet another ad hominem ... despite just having been called out for it.


    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #137 on: January 21, 2020, 03:07:19 PM »
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  • In your insinuation that those defending the morality of wearing knee-length shorts themselves wear shorts.  Even if they did, it would not matter.  Ad hominem doesn't necessarily mean personal insult, as it is often understood; it just means you're going after the person of your opponent instead of directly confronting the issue.  So, for instance, if a former adulterer were arguing that adultery was sinful, instead of actually rebutting his reasons, you start attacking him for having been an adulterer.  That has no bearing on whether or not his argument is sound.  It's a distraction and a dishonest debating tactic.
    1) Well, not once have I ever said that wearing shorts is immoral.

    2) The reason I asked if the people defending the wearing of shorts actually wear them, is because I want to know if they have a horse in the race. That is no ad hominem. You see, I have no horse in the race, I use to wear shorts till Bp. Williamson said it is the attire of children and should not be worn by men. I would not waste my time with someone who is just defending what they wear, one that has a horse in the race. They will always choose teachers according to their own desires. That is why I ask.

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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #138 on: January 21, 2020, 03:08:28 PM »
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  • because if you are really that dumb, you are in a lot of trouble.
    You would have done well in Pfeifferville.

    ^^^ NOTE:  textbook ad hominem that epitomizes Johnson's style

    PS -- despite ad hominems not necessarily being insults, Johnson's invariably are

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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #139 on: January 21, 2020, 03:09:49 PM »
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  • 1) Well, not once have I ever said that wearing shorts is immoral.

    You're missing the point.  You insinuated that those who happened to wear shorts are automatically disqualified from being able to make an argument defending them.  That is a logical fallacy, an ad hominem.


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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #140 on: January 21, 2020, 03:11:13 PM »
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  • Yet another effeminate rant from Johnson, launching into yet another ad hominem ... despite just having been called out for it.
    As hominems have their place.
    In your case, your liberal position on shorts fits neatly within your general lax/liberal/feminist-leaning positions in most topics touching upon any of those areas.
    It shows the worldview of the one making a statement.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #141 on: January 21, 2020, 03:11:17 PM »
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  • Ladislaus is the only defender of shorts that has answered if he wears those shorts and flip flops and he answered that he does not

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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #142 on: January 21, 2020, 03:11:58 PM »
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  • ^^^ NOTE:  textbook ad hominem that epitomizes Johnson's style

    PS -- despite ad hominems not necessarily being insults, Johnson's invariably are
    See previous post regarding the appropriate use of ad hominems.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #143 on: January 21, 2020, 03:14:17 PM »
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  • This is the 4th or 5th time in recent weeks that people have tried this tactic.

    If you defend something as licit, it must be because you yourself engage in the practice.  It's equally possible that one has sincerely determined the morality of a particular activity before engaging in it.

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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #144 on: January 21, 2020, 03:14:36 PM »
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  • What disturbs me about the mass on a jeep is the fact that the holy office for a long time denied Greek corporals to Latin priests saying quite clearly that Latin tradition is an altar and one made of stone preferably over the body of a saint. The permission which was given in WWII was quite clearly abused in light of the earlier canons.

    The nature of an antimension or of a tablitho is different than an altar or altar stone. The object is first of all a DOcuмENT INDICATING THAT THE BISHOP APPROVES OF THIS ONE PRIEST AND AS SUCH EXTENDS PERMISSION TO USE THE PORTABLE ALTAR EVERY TIME HE SAYS LITURGY.
     It doesn't give the priest blanket permission to say mass in such a way that not all the faithful have access. In other words it implies by it's nature that the bishop intended it to be used in an appropriate place. I know that for a tablitho at least one church REQUIRES that if the priest is in hiding or doesn't have a suitable table to hold the tablitho he MUST suspend the tablitho from his neck with the linens because mass should not be said just anywhere.
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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #145 on: January 21, 2020, 03:15:12 PM »
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  • You're missing the point.  You insinuated that those who happened to wear shorts are automatically disqualified from being able to make an argument defending them.  That is a logical fallacy, an ad hominem.
    I an very transparent, I do not answer in insinuations, therefore your posting above is a total strawman. 


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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #146 on: January 21, 2020, 03:15:44 PM »
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  • Aside from that, here is what we know of Laxislaus:
    1) He supports women wearing pants
    2) He supports women wearing makeup
    3) He believes marital sodomy is parvity of matter (and then falsifies Alphonsus, to make him say that if one single approved theology manual says something, Alphonsus says you can go with it)
    4) He supports men wearing shorts

    Every one of these points is either an outright lie or a gross distortion based on your having not qualified what I wrote with the appropriate distinction.

    More slander from SeanJohnson.

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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #147 on: January 21, 2020, 03:17:01 PM »
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  • This is the 4th or 5th time in recent weeks that people have tried this tactic.

    If you defend something as licit, it must be because you yourself engage in the practice.  It's equally possible that one has sincerely determined the morality of a particular activity before engaging in it.
    Morality has nothing to do with one single posting of mine here. You are stuck in one gear.

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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #148 on: January 21, 2020, 03:17:31 PM »
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  • I would have to go back and see what other feminist or liberal causes he supports.

    You might have forgotten that I did argue that it's not permissible for husbands to subject their wives to corporal punishment.

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    Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
    « Reply #149 on: January 21, 2020, 03:17:45 PM »
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  • Every one of these points is either an outright lie or a gross distortion based on your having not qualified what I wrote with the appropriate distinction.

    More slander from SeanJohnson.

    Great, then let’s clarify:

    1) Does a woman wearing pants violate Catholic norms of modesty, and harm her sense of femininity?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."