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Do you see anything wrong with an "Ora Pro Nobis" Harley, Academy boys running in shorts, or Mass on a Jeep hood without necessity?

Yes, these things are all problematic.
16 (50%)
Tempest in a Teacup (i.e., nitpicking)
9 (28.1%)
What's the problem?
7 (21.9%)

Total Members Voted: 30

Author Topic: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report  (Read 10329 times)

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Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
« Reply #175 on: January 21, 2020, 06:58:52 PM »
You seem to be missing (ignoring?) two key points here:  "go about their daily business" and "other scanty clothing."  These shorts were not scanty, nor were they worn to go about daily business ... but rather so that they could run competitively.  No, they should not wear shorts around on a regular basis, but to wear shorts that basically cover the knee just for a sports competition?  Not the same thing.

That was also the accusation about women wearing "pants".  I said that it may be permissible to wear modest pants given various activities that might be dangerous or cuмbersome ... during the course of that activity per modum actus ... as per the Canon Law term I learned earlier in the thread, or due to other practical considerations, say, to wear pants beneath a skirt when it's very cold out.  I never said that it was OK in general.  I also think that exceptions can be made for some culotte styles, the ones that basically LOOK like dresses, except that there's a slit in the middle to help with leg movement.  There's nothing masculine about many of those types of "pants", and many of them are very loose and are not tight-fitting so as to be immodest.

I mean, nobody would confuse this (below) with a pair of pants or consider it to be masculine.  Any man wearing something like that might rightly be suspected of being a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ:


You seem to be missing (ignoring?) the fact that the whole point of this conversation is whether or not there has been a change in SSPX teaching (or at least praxis) regarding shorts.

You also seem to be missing (ignoring?) that it was me who highlighted the final sentence of my quote from the booklet which conceded long shorts for athletic competition.

That was my way of saying "concedo" to you on that particular point, and also to demonstrate my good disposition (by the mere fact of having posted that which essentially concedes your argument regrding shorts for sports), despite your frequent accusations of dishonesty.

If I was dishonest, I could easily have let the quote lay hidden from the conversation.

On the other hand, as regards your comments on women and pants (i.e., it might be better for them to wear pants if they are undertaking work which would make femenine attire dangerous), I would question why women would undertake activities which cause them to have to masculinize themselves, and if only done by necessity, then I would note that exceptions do not disprove the rule, and the norm remains the norm.

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Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
« Reply #176 on: January 21, 2020, 07:15:03 PM »
On the other hand, as regards your comments on women and pants (i.e., it might be better for them to wear pants if they are undertaking work which would make femenine attire dangerous), I would question why women would undertake activities which cause them to have to masculinize themselves, and if only done by necessity, then I would note that exceptions do not disprove the rule, and the norm remains the norm.

You're correct that exceptions do not disprove the rule, but they do prove that there can be exceptions.


Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
« Reply #177 on: January 21, 2020, 07:18:25 PM »
Nor do we have any context around this reported opinion.  Are there exceptions, conditions, distinctions?  Would he even consider pants that just extended to below the knees to be "shorts"?

I'm just looking for a rational argument.

So far we have:
1) Bishops Williamson said boys should not wear them (no context around what he said and it's his opinion for reasons unknown to us).
…. But the shorts worn by the boys in the OP's picture do not fall into that category ... IMO.

Why do you keep twisting what I said Bp. Williamson said by applying it to children? He said that shorts are the attire of children, and that men should not wear shorts. He didn't say that boys should not wear shorts, he said that shorts were the attire of children. Also, you keep calling those men in the OP picture "boys", when they are at least young men, for they all have hairy legs and are well over 12 years of age.

This reminds me of something I saw myself - in the early 1970's, a large group of people on the beach decided to remove their bathing suits and go naked. They were from 3 years of age up to like 40. The police came and started a arresting people and an older bearded hippy said "at what age is nudity a crime man? What age are you going to start your arrest, at what age is it offensive to you"? 

At what age is a child, a boy, considered a young man to you? To me, those are all at least young men, not one of them is a child/boy. 

Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
« Reply #178 on: January 21, 2020, 09:19:41 PM »
I went on Fr. Novak's pilgrimage. It was for All Souls day. He built an altar to offer two of the masses in cemeteries, and the third Mass was on the site of Fr. Kapaun's childhood home, where he specifically prayed (by name) for all those who had passed away in St. Marys since the start of the St. Mary's parish. We also prayed the litany for the poor souls in each cemetery we visited. It was really beautiful; pretty sure Fr. Novak won't be judged for offering requiem masses for the dead.

Re: Pics from the Latest Rorate Coeli Report
« Reply #179 on: January 21, 2020, 09:25:25 PM »
I went on Fr. Novak's pilgrimage. It was for All Souls day. He built an altar to offer two of the masses in cemeteries, and the third Mass was on the site of Fr. Kapaun's childhood home, where he specifically prayed (by name) for all those who had passed away in St. Marys since the start of the St. Mary's parish. We also prayed the litany for the poor souls in each cemetery we visited. It was really beautiful; pretty sure Fr. Novak won't be judged for offering requiem masses for the dead.

That's all great and everything, but did he say Mass on the hood of a Jeep, without necessity?