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Offline mw2016

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Phoenix sspx chapel update
« Reply #525 on: December 19, 2016, 12:20:45 PM »
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    « Reply #526 on: December 19, 2016, 12:49:22 PM »
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    They admitted to the windows donations being spent on other things, and now they cannot raise money for windows.

    They also said Bp. Fellay and Fr. Wegner required things that made the Church more expensive.

    Which brings about an obvious question: if they required it, why isn't the SSPX paying for it?

    Insetad, they are making parishioners pay for a Church they cannot afford.


    The attached docuмents seemed to be more of an agenda than minutes as it provided a lot of broad issues but no specifics.

    No one should ask why the SSPX didn't pay for things it required.  Superiors often require lower levels to do things without providing the funds.  A parish would have to do things that the parishioners may not think necessary but the diocese tells them to do anyway.  The question is not why the SSPX didn't pay for the requirements but what on earth did they require that cost so much money so that the parish had to raid the window fund?

    A fair question, however, is what's wrong with the "old statues" that have not been approved by the SSPX District?

    Additionally, what are all the additional expenses that the parish is incurring?

    Of course, there are a lot of questions that have not been answered here, though they may have been asked and answered at the meeting itself.  But, somehow, I doubt it.
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    Phoenix sspx chapel update
    « Reply #527 on: December 19, 2016, 09:15:49 PM »
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    They admitted to the windows donations being spent on other things, and now they cannot raise money for windows.

    They also said Bp. Fellay and Fr. Wegner required things that made the Church more expensive.

    Which brings about an obvious question: if they required it, why isn't the SSPX paying for it?

    Insetad, they are making parishioners pay for a Church they cannot afford.


    The attached docuмents seemed to be more of an agenda than minutes as it provided a lot of broad issues but no specifics.

    No one should ask why the SSPX didn't pay for things it required.  Superiors often require lower levels to do things without providing the funds.  A parish would have to do things that the parishioners may not think necessary but the diocese tells them to do anyway.  The question is not why the SSPX didn't pay for the requirements but what on earth did they require that cost so much money so that the parish had to raid the window fund?

    A fair question, however, is what's wrong with the "old statues" that have not been approved by the SSPX District?

    Additionally, what are all the additional expenses that the parish is incurring?

    Of course, there are a lot of questions that have not been answered here, though they may have been asked and answered at the meeting itself.  But, somehow, I doubt it.


    They made the edifice 30% bigger than originally planned, costs for materials went up in the interim between budget and build, city required it started by certain date for permits, etc.

    Additional monthly expenses include electric bill, water bill, etc. as the new building is many times larger than the old Church.

    Old statues are deemed "unworthy" by Wegner - he wants the marble statues that are probably the ones that came from Immaculate Conception, like the altar, baldachin, and communion rail, and would therefore match.

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    Offline Incredulous

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    Phoenix sspx chapel update
    « Reply #528 on: December 19, 2016, 09:54:03 PM »
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    Phoenix sspx chapel update
    « Reply #529 on: December 24, 2016, 02:07:25 AM »
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    They admitted to the windows donations being spent on other things, and now they cannot raise money for windows. They also said Bp. Fellay and Fr. Wegner required things that made the Church more expensive.


    No wonder why they are not getting the donations.

    By the way, it is the epitome of insolence for one who is dependent on donations, to chastise people for not donating. It is crude and impolite.

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    Re: Phoenix sspx chapel update
    « Reply #530 on: January 15, 2021, 09:27:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on July 04, 2016, 12:51:29 PM
    C) did lots of promoting/recruiting for the Resistance and Fr. Pfeiffer, at the cost of my own reputation there. This included in-person talking in the parish hall, as well as sending out e-mail invites to everyone I could get an e-mail address for.
    How does those decisions look in a hindsight?
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    Re: Phoenix sspx chapel update
    « Reply #531 on: January 15, 2021, 10:04:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: andy on January 15, 2021, 09:27:50 PM
    How does those decisions look in a hindsight?
    How was Matthew to know that Fr. Pfeiffer would go off the rails?  I doubt he’d have done anything differently, having no ability to know the future.  He has a chapel and fairly regular Mass on his property, if I understand correctly.  I’d say that’s pretty good compared with the large majority of people on CathInfo.
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    Re: Phoenix sspx chapel update
    « Reply #532 on: January 16, 2021, 03:10:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on January 15, 2021, 10:04:35 PM
    How was Matthew to know that Fr. Pfeiffer would go off the rails?  I doubt he’d have done anything differently, having no ability to know the future.  He has a chapel and fairly regular Mass on his property, if I understand correctly.  I’d say that’s pretty good compared with the large majority of people on CathInfo.
    I did not imply any conclusion in my question. Although, I disagree that we have absolutely no ability to predict the future. Some things are inevitable.
    In any case - while I am not OLoS parish parishioner - I know that place and was wondering of there is some post-mortem to 2016 heated discussion. BTW still, there is no stain glass.
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