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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: Phoenix chapel debt
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2018, 12:49:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on April 18, 2018, 10:48:33 PM
    Half the families have left the school to attend the one founded by the DeMarks that is btw now full
    and next year the DeMark school is going to double in size
    What is the name of the school and address?
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #61 on: April 19, 2018, 04:08:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on April 18, 2018, 10:48:33 PM
    Half the families have left the school to attend the one founded by the DeMarks that is btw now full
    and next year the DeMark school is going to double in size
    Do you know why this family left the school and started one of their own?
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #62 on: April 19, 2018, 11:39:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on April 18, 2018, 10:48:33 PM
    Half the families have left the school to attend the one founded by the DeMarks that is btw now full
    and next year the DeMark school is going to double in size
    Where's "the DeMark school"?
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #63 on: April 21, 2018, 11:22:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on April 19, 2018, 11:39:35 AM
    Where's "the DeMark school"?
    I not sure of its location 
    but all you have to do is Speak to Mr.DeMark Or one of the other 5 families 
    I do Know that it close enough that the students will be attending daily Mass
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #64 on: April 21, 2018, 02:01:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on April 21, 2018, 11:22:10 AM
    I not sure of its location
    but all you have to do is Speak to Mr.DeMark Or one of the other 5 families
    I do Know that it close enough that the students will be attending daily Mass
    At Our Lady of Sorrows or at the independent chapel Our Lady of Quito on 18th?
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #65 on: April 22, 2018, 01:22:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on April 21, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
    At Our Lady of Sorrows or at the independent chapel Our Lady of Quito on 18th?
    Our Lady of Sorrows
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #66 on: April 22, 2018, 01:37:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on April 22, 2018, 01:22:52 PM
    Our Lady of Sorrows
    Our Lady of Sorrows students are free to go to Mass daily if they choose. What does that have to do with plans to build another school?
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #67 on: April 22, 2018, 02:58:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on April 22, 2018, 01:37:34 PM
    Our Lady of Sorrows students are free to go to Mass daily if they choose. What does that have to do with plans to build another school?
    I doubt the issue is students "choosing" not to attend Mass, I suspect the issue is more the difficulty of a mom getting her brood up, presentable, and to the church in time for a 7:15 am Mass, especially when one of the 6,8, or 10 kids is bound to be sick.

    It is a CATHOLIC school, they should have Mass daily as a group.  Without that, the message to children is loud and clear, daily Mass is not even important at a Catholic school when the logistics are EASY!

    I don't think non/daily Mass has much of anything to do with the clan that is leaving. 
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #68 on: April 22, 2018, 03:17:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on April 22, 2018, 01:37:34 PM
    Our Lady of Sorrows students are free to go to Mass daily if they choose. What does that have to do with plans to build another school?
    Who said anything about students choosing whether or not to attend daily mass ?
    I was merely stating that the schools location was close enough to make it covenant to attend daily Mass . That's it nothing more
     
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #69 on: April 22, 2018, 03:19:11 PM »
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    I commend you for being a member of the parish since 1984! I can only think of a few couples that might have been going there that long. I was curious, did you happen to know what the attendance for both Masses was last Sunday. I would like to know.

    I answered your question with a question that went unanswered .So I will answer & ask again .
    No, I do not know the totals for the attendance for both Masses . Was it higher or lower then the combined total for the 3 masses we had in the old church ? The fact that you do not and have not answered this question when posted before leads me to think we already know the answer and it is contrary to what you have been saying.
    Let me also ad that this Sunday the financial totals were published in the bulletin and as I stated and you denied  Collections are down  In 2015 the monthly average collected for the building fund was around 48,000 but in 2017 it was around 14,000 .Now if you look at 1st collections and academy collections the numbers have remained consistent . Fact is no one wants to pay on a dept for a church that was turned into something that is completely opposite of what we were promised ,that remains unfinished and barren in what amounts to a blackmail scenario until we pay off the debt  
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #70 on: April 22, 2018, 03:37:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on April 22, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
    I suspect the issue is more the difficulty of a mom getting her brood up, presentable, and to the church in time for a 7:15 am Mass, especially when one of the 6,8, or 10 kids is bound to be sick.
    Parents are the primary educators of their children. If daily Mass isn't important to them, how will it be to the children—even if the children do go as a group at school, apart from their parents?

    St. Thérèse of Lisieux's family went to the early morning "worker's Mass" everyday as a family.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #71 on: May 20, 2018, 11:26:30 PM »
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    • Well,well well 
    so the faithful at Our Lady of Sorrows learned today we are losing 3 priests and being sent 2 
    The Priests BTW that are on their way have in the past by & large been involved almost exclusively with SSPX schools 
    They are being sent here as a way to stem the tide of students leaving the school. 
    They are not being sent here (contrary to to what has been said) to foster continuity and a feeling of community
    and they most certainly have not come here to "finish" the church , oh no my dear faithful that job falls on your shoulders 
    You see ,OLOS is falling apart as a parish .The school is emptying . Donations are down . 
    The Social clubs started up by Fr. S are all but unattended. There is a general attitude a apathy among the parish. So those shoulders better be broad as you have your work cut out for you  

    So what happened ? What has Changed from when we were all crammed into the old church with 3 Masses and folding chairs set up for over flow, When the social hall was crowded , when the school had a 100+ students ? 
    The answer my dear faithful is as plain as the nose on our faces. The new church , That unfinished ,barren building we unhappily gather in for the Mass of all time   
     
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #72 on: May 21, 2018, 12:04:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on March 14, 2018, 04:08:57 PM
    we have been attending since 1984
    It's existed since then? Their deed is dated 08/07/2002.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #73 on: May 21, 2018, 12:26:16 AM »
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    • Regardless we have been there since 1984 and some families ,many in fact predate that  
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #74 on: May 21, 2018, 09:32:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on May 20, 2018, 11:26:30 PM
    So what happened ? What has Changed from when we were all crammed into the old church with 3 Masses and folding chairs set up for over flow, When the social hall was crowded , when the school had a 100+ students ?

    Maybe fr. Pfeiffer and Pablo happened?
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