The Phoenix chapel is still having trouble paying its mortgage:
SECOND COLLECTION FOR BUILDING FUND: JUNE 11 MORTGAGE PAYMENT AMOUNT $11,051 – APR. COLLECTION $9,932. CURRENT CHURCH DEBT: $2,428,205
I'm wondering if the month is a typo and it should have been the MAY mortgage payment?
Recently, the SSPX pulled some sleight-of-hand and transferred a substantial "nest egg" from the San Antonio chapel (St. Joseph's) to cover the debt on the new Phoenix property.Holy Cow! You're right, we ordinary folk had NO IDEA this had happened. NOT a good move :fryingpan:
I agree with Mater. As far as robbing Peter to pay Paul goes, aren't the SSPX one family? Are they charging interest on the loan? Does it mean less paid out in interest?Since it has been done in secret we don't know if there is interest being paid to San Antonio or not. The rank and file, those PAYING the bills have no idea who they are indebted to and for how much.
The fact is the SSPX hierarchy are at a loss as what to do aboutGlad to hear the choir books are going unused!
Phoenix
The parishioner count keeps droping as does the school count
They burn though priests like no other chapel in the SSPX
The congregation is splinted into clicks
The donations are lower then they were at almost any time in the chapels history
that is just a few of the reasons Fr.Wegner sent his number 2 man to Phoenix ,to try and figure out what the problem is . He is to address other things like bringing bingo in to help pay the debt . It was stopped by 2 of the "insider families" and the lack of volunteers. Or why they are talking about hiring a cleaning service to clean the church because of the lack of volunteers they all ready have to pay a landscaping to maintain the lawns and plants. Or in an approved attempt to foster unity they spent 6000$ on choir books for the pews that go defiantly unused.or why the district receives more complaints by far about the goings on at Phoenix then any other chapel in North America. Fr. D sure has his work cut out for him
I'm posting this here because it is germane to the subject; not only was I a parishioner in PHX but I was recently a seminarian:Cost overruns in construction due to many reasons is as common as cats in the kitchen. In a project as big as that Virginia $eminary, I estimate the entire construction will run well over $100,000,000 (one hundred million), and I would expect that they have a performance bond from the contractor. A performance bond is insurance to cover any cost overruns due to the contractors errors.
While at Seminary I learned of a certain concrete pour at Virginia that was done incorrectly because of communication problems with the priests in charge and the ever-changing contractors involved and/or architectural firms involved, that had to be redone to the tune of several million dollars.
The SSPX is a sick organization and should be avoided at all costs.
The SSPX is a sick organization and should be avoided at all costs.Why punish yourself by staying home and avoiding the good priests of the SSPX because of "Menzingen" hierarchy"? Why avoid the Holy Sacrifice and the sacraments from what may be the only valid priests in the State? Go to mass and let God sort out the rest.
According to this study by Dr. Carol Byrne, St. Pius X never called for congregational signing or "active participation" (Neither did he allow women in the choir - a feature of nearly every SSPX chapel in the world):
The SSPX is a sick organization and should be avoided at all costs.To which LT replies:
Why punish yourself by staying home and avoiding the good priests of the SSPX because of "Menzingen" hierarchy"? Why avoid the Holy Sacrifice and the sacraments from what may be the only valid priests in the State? Go to mass and let God sort out the rest.We stay away from Rome because of the Vatican hierarchy. Why not stay at home and avoid the Menzingen hierarchy, as well? Yet LT, along with many other sspx trads, seems to think that sspx priests and sacraments are more "valid" than many (all?) others. Yes, sspx priests may be the only "valid priests in the State." What "State?" Do you mean 'world?' What gives you the idea that sspx priests "may" be more valid than most? This thinking, IMO, is cultic and inexcusable.
Cost overruns in construction due to many reasons is as common as cats in the kitchen. In a project as big as that Virginia $eminary, I estimate the entire construction will run well over $100,000,000 (one hundred million), and I would expect that they have a performance bond from the contractor. A performance bond is insurance to cover any cost overruns due to the contractors errors.
Judging from what I have seen of other projects, I doubt they had a performance bond. However, this is 200 times bigger than their typical projects. Even I, find it hard to believe that they would not have a performance bond from the contractor.
I have written many times about that new $eminary, it should never have been even contemplated. They could have expanded the Winona seminary living quarters for $5 million nad have been done with it.
Does anybody remember a cathedral or huge church the SSPX was soliciting donations for? It was a few years back. It was supposed to be a very beautiful structure that was like the great churches of the past to show the world the glory of God? There was a drawing of it on the letter they sent out. Does anybody know what became of that project?
To which LT replies:It is precisely those that thought the SSPX were the white knights sent by God to save the Church (a cult? Maybe for some) who now feel betrayed, that are the most hardline against each and every SSPX priests, precisely and justifiable because they have been betrayed. I on the other hand never really expected anything from the SSPX because from the beginning I knew that they taught in their seminaries that Jєωs, Mohamendans, Buddhists etc., can be saved by their belief in a God that rewards. If they swallow that camel, they'll swallow anything. What is happening to the SSPX was no surprise to me.
We stay away from Rome because of the Vatican hierarchy. Why not stay at home and avoid the Menzingen hierarchy, as well? Yet LT, along with many other sspx trads, seems to think that sspx priests and sacraments are more "valid" than many (all?) others. Yes, sspx priests may be the only "valid priests in the State." What "State?" Do you mean 'world?' What gives you the idea that sspx priests "may" be more valid than most? This thinking, IMO, is cultic and inexcusable.
Glad to hear the choir books are going unused!:applause:
According to this study by Dr. Carol Byrne, St. Pius X never called for congregational signing or "active participation" (Neither did he allow women in the choir - a feature of nearly every SSPX chapel in the world):
It is unusual for money to flow from Europe for grand projects in America. It is usual for it to be the other way as the US Catholic population was always regarded as a reliable cash cow. Whatever contribution was said to have come from the Rothschild empire, Menzingen would make sure that at least a substantial part of the Virginia white elephant would over time have to be met by Americans. The SSPX is in the hands of Swiss bookkeepers whose financial abilities will outshine any successes in the restoration field. Indeed, financial considerations have and will determine the corporation's mission during its entire existence. It is not to be ruled out that eventually it may buy into a cash-strapped Rome if the bribe were big enough.Cash strapped Rome?? All Rome would have to do is sell a few pieces of art and the problem will be solved.
Cash strapped Rome?? All Rome would have to do is sell a few pieces of art and the problem will be solved.After taming the Society, it is easy to imagine that there would be some kind of 'buy-in' for its Roman niche and payment streams thereafter. Being subject to the conciliar hierarchy means you pay for it like any taxation system. One benefit of being free from Roman clutches is you keep all the swag .... and get used to doing it!
After taming the Society, it is easy to imagine that there would be some kind of 'buy-in' for its Roman niche and payment streams thereafter. Being subject to the conciliar hierarchy means you pay for it like any taxation system. One benefit of being free from Roman clutches is you keep all the swag .... and get used to doing it!Not to argue about this, but then why did you use the term “cash strapped”?
Regarding Rome's/Italy's works of art, where they are housed are already museums attracting millions of tourists and considerable revenue. Why sell off such an asset?
Not to argue about this, but then why did you use the term “cash strapped”?One can imagine reduced income from reduced church attendance in the absence of a Vatican audit. And the financial reality today often indicates we can be asset rich but cash poor. A nice lump sum sent south from Menzingen coffers could seem irresistible!
I have written many times about that new $eminary, it should never have been even contemplated. They could have expanded the Winona seminary living quarters for $5 million nad have been done with it.
According to this study by Dr. Carol Byrne, St. Pius X never called for congregational signing or "active participation" (Neither did he allow women in the choir - a feature of nearly every SSPX chapel in the world):
Does anybody remember a cathedral or huge church the SSPX was soliciting donations for? It was a few years back. It was supposed to be a very beautiful structure that was like the great churches of the past to show the world the glory of God? There was a drawing of it on the letter they sent out. Does anybody know what became of that project?OLOS in Phoenix sent out fund raising form about that time and it was a drawing as you stated .
Does anybody remember a cathedral or huge church the SSPX was soliciting donations for? It was a few years back. It was supposed to be a very beautiful structure that was like the great churches of the past to show the world the glory of God? There was a drawing of it on the letter they sent out. Does anybody know what became of that project?I'm sure it was the project in St. Mary's that you're remembering. The website Incred linked to hasn't provided an update since 2012, but this letter from Fr. Fullerton sums up where the project was at in Fall 2011. They had $1.3 million already raised for the project.
“With another school year off to a smooth start, I wish to dedicate this month’s letter to updating you on the New Immaculata Building Project.
In March of 2010, I mentioned that we were in the process of hiring a new architectural firm for the purpose of designing a simpler, country Gothic style church that would honor the legacy of the original Immaculata, harmonize much better with the present architecture of our campus, and bring the project cost down to the original budget of $10 million dollars. Following the advice of several professionals from our parish in St. Mary’s and from the parish in Denver, we decided to hire an architectural firm from nearby Topeka to redesign the project.
After nearly a year of careful consideration and diligent work, I am happy to say that the new design is nearly complete. Several pictures of these plans are included in this flyer, and final drawings will be available on our newly designed website by November.
The new design will meet the pressing needs of our large (over 3,100 faithful) and ever-growing parish. With comfortable seating for 1,300 faithful, the new church will alleviate the current overcrowding at our 5 Sunday Masses. Our elderly and disabled parishioners will find all levels of the new building accessible. A crypt chapel with many side altars will provide our large priest community, as well as visiting priests, sufficient space to offer daily the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The basement will include extra classroom space for Academy and catechism classes.
In the next few months, once the schematic design phase is complete, we hope to develop a building plan that divides the project into phases, allows us to set concrete fundraising goals, and prepares us to break ground in a few years. We will keep you informed of the progress.
The task of fundraising is always difficult, more so in the present economic crisis. Over the past years, your sacrifices, both spiritual and material, in behalf of our parish and schools, have enabled us to continue providing Catholic education for our youth. We are extremely grateful for your past contributions that amount to nearly $1.3 million for the new church. Thank you for continuing your support now and in the future. Your generosity is helping us to make the restoration of all things in Christ a reality. May God reward you abundantly.”
I am rather stunned here the information that you are reporting. First off I have seen the counts of people attending Mass, and it has gone up slightly; not a lot, but slightly. School enrollment while it did drop, is starting to go up again, but slightly. The bingo idea was brought up by a member of the Parish who I know, who was trying to figure out ways to raise money for the parish. This idea came from no one else but him. Lack of volunteers? Please; I saw the sign up lists. There actually are so many that had signed up, that he started a reserve list of volunteers. Please do a better job of getting your facts straight. While some of is is very accurate, the rest is way of base.You are ether misinformed or worse
Now lets talk of their latest gimmick. That would be requiring Holy Name members to pay dues upwards of 50$ surely they the members are aware that money , just like the window and brick fund will disappear down the rabbit hole
I am shocked that the HNS would charge DUES ! Why on earth do they need to pay dues?I used to be an HNS member elsewhere.
Members SubscriptionsWe typically gave $5 per month at the meeting when I was a member. That seemed very reasonable at the time, but if you think about it amounts to $60 per year, so more than what it sounds was proposed.
A small sum shall be contributed monthly, quarterly, or annually by each member of the Branch for its maintenance. The amount of the subscription shall be determined by the Executive Council. Members' subscriptions shall be paid to the Prefects of the Sections who shall hand an accurate account of all subscriptions received to the Treasurer, who shall make an entry of them in the Treasurer's Book.
The members' subscriptions are purely voluntary, and men (candidates, or enrolled members) unable to pay shall not be debarred from membership.
Dues, called "subscriptions" in the handbook are traditional. They are voluntary.Thanks for clearing that up. I was thinking more in terms of a pay-to-play system than voluntarily contributing. Nothing wrong with asking for donations.
The handbook I still have from 1932 has (on p. 85)
When I spoke about the school enrollment it was before we had a few large families decide to leave and start their own school. So at this point yes, the enrollment will take a big drop.This also is a untruth. You knew well before you posted about the 5 families leaving the school .you merely thought it was not common knowledge. Here is a question for you as you seem to have little or no problem with the church or how it is run
Town Crier:To answer your question
I really do not know why you are telling me that I am promoting a lie. I know the numbers at the old church and again I will tell you that the enrollment is up, but only slightly. What do you think the attendance was last Sunday? Yes I agree with you that we probably have lost 100 members since the new church building. I also know that we have gotten new people that have started going to this parish also. Yes people have left due to their not being happy with what is going on; that is for sure. Yet other people leave because they move away, for various reasons such as a new job. This is part of parish life. Is this not a true statement Town Crier or am I promoting a lie?
As for the school, I will promise you that I did not know about the families leaving the school ( not the parish), until a few weeks after I had posted this. Now you either believe what I say, or you do not. Promoting a lie Town Crier?
For the bingo: I again state that we have lists filled with volunteers, so many that we had a reserve list of volunteers. However we also have a new head priest and it is his decision now as to whether or not he wished for the parish to have bingo. So maybe you should ask him directly. I am sure he would give you an answer Town Crier.
I think you know the answers already as to why the money was used on finishing the building and not the windows like it should have been. I am not happy that this happened. I can only suggest that you go to Father McDonald and ask him yourself if you feel that you do not have the answers. Again he did not make this decision, as he was not here.
Town Crier: I am only asking this; not to offend you, but you seem so unhappy at this parish. Why do you still attend Mass here? Maybe there is some other parish that you might be happier at. Maybe there is a Resistance chapel that you could start going to, or some independent priest like Our Lady of Quito.
Please Town Crier in the future do not accuse me of promoting lies about the parish, as I have nothing to gain by doing so.
In the normal course of life, the poor do not give to the rich.How do you explain tithing?
How do you explain tithing?What?
Town Crier: To me it is obvious that the school is not being ran properly. Why else would these families pull their kids out of the school. I feel that it is a combination of many issues, but it boils down to again one generalized concept, and that is the school not being run properly.It is nice to see that after our discussions you see things in a different light. I knew if you just read my posts and gave it some thought you would see past your blind infatuation
What?I'm speaking of tithing not as supporting individual priests but of supporting the Church.
Is this some kind of anti-Clerical jab?
Priests aren't rich. On the contrary. They have given up all things (family, possibility of family/children of their own, wealth, and even living in their native town) to preach the Gospel full-time. They are worthy of our support.
Well it seems that our wonderful modernist church now has a new large expensive organ in the choir loftThe organ was donated for free.
The school is at risk of closingHow so?
After Fr. Finnegan Our Lady of Sorrows continued to go through some rather interesting times to say the least -- even until this day.Is he the one with his own chapel down the street from Our Lady of Sorrows?
Is he the one with his own chapel down the street from Our Lady of Sorrows?I left the area years ago when his chapel was up and running. It was not on the same street (Baseline), but it was relatively close to Our Lady of Sorrows.
I left the area years ago when his chapel was up and running. It was not on the same street (Baseline), but it was relatively close to Our Lady of Sorrows.Yes, that's the one; I think he's still there.
The school is at risk of closingHalf the families have left the school to attend the one founded by the DeMarks that is btw now full
How so?
Half the families have left the school to attend the one founded by the DeMarks that is btw now fullWhat is the name of the school and address?
and next year the DeMark school is going to double in size
Half the families have left the school to attend the one founded by the DeMarks that is btw now fullDo you know why this family left the school and started one of their own?
and next year the DeMark school is going to double in size
Half the families have left the school to attend the one founded by the DeMarks that is btw now fullWhere's "the DeMark school"?
and next year the DeMark school is going to double in size
Where's "the DeMark school"?I not sure of its location
I not sure of its locationAt Our Lady of Sorrows or at the independent chapel Our Lady of Quito on 18th?
but all you have to do is Speak to Mr.DeMark Or one of the other 5 families
I do Know that it close enough that the students will be attending daily Mass
At Our Lady of Sorrows or at the independent chapel Our Lady of Quito on 18th?Our Lady of Sorrows
Our Lady of SorrowsOur Lady of Sorrows students are free to go to Mass daily if they choose. What does that have to do with plans to build another school?
Our Lady of Sorrows students are free to go to Mass daily if they choose. What does that have to do with plans to build another school?I doubt the issue is students "choosing" not to attend Mass, I suspect the issue is more the difficulty of a mom getting her brood up, presentable, and to the church in time for a 7:15 am Mass, especially when one of the 6,8, or 10 kids is bound to be sick.
Our Lady of Sorrows students are free to go to Mass daily if they choose. What does that have to do with plans to build another school?Who said anything about students choosing whether or not to attend daily mass ?
I answered your question with a question that went unanswered .So I will answer & ask again .QuoteQuote from: Lunatik (https://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?topic=44947.msg599804#msg599804) on Thu Mar 15 2018 14:38:54 GMT-0700 (US Mountain Standard Time)
I commend you for being a member of the parish since 1984! I can only think of a few couples that might have been going there that long. I was curious, did you happen to know what the attendance for both Masses was last Sunday. I would like to know.
I suspect the issue is more the difficulty of a mom getting her brood up, presentable, and to the church in time for a 7:15 am Mass, especially when one of the 6,8, or 10 kids is bound to be sick.Parents are the primary educators of their children. If daily Mass isn't important to them, how will it be to the children—even if the children do go as a group at school, apart from their parents?
we have been attending since 1984It's existed since then? Their deed (https://recorder.maricopa.gov/recdocdata/getrecdatadetail.aspx?rec=20020805079) is dated 08/07/2002.
So what happened ? What has Changed from when we were all crammed into the old church with 3 Masses and folding chairs set up for over flow, When the social hall was crowded , when the school had a 100+ students ?Maybe fr. Pfeiffer and Pablo happened?
outgoing: Fr. K. Robinson, Fr. O. Keiser, Fr. S. McDonaldIf true I stand corrected
incoming: Fr. McFarland, Fr. C. Pederson from CA, and Fr. Heynos
Regardless we have been there since 1984 and some families ,many in fact predate thatWhen was the parish founded?
Maybe fr. Pfeiffer and Pablo happened?No, Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr
When was the parish founded?1979, IIRC.
Fr. McF is too young of a priest for Phoenix. Maybe Fr. Haynos will be prior?It matters little who is Prior . The result will be the same until they address the real problem but as it is written "pride goeth before the fall "
No, Fr. Pfeiffer and FrI thunk onceonce he met Pablo he had started going off the rails. My bet, the books were "fixed".
Leith were at OLOS during it's heyday, back when it was a nice place and Fr. P had not yet gone off the rails.
Fr. McF is too young of a priest for Phoenix. Maybe Fr. Haynos will be prior?There's a young fr. Haynes, too.
There's a young fr. Haynes, too.There are 4 Fr Haynos, 1 older SSPX, 1 Benedictine monk priest, an two young Fr. Haynos, SSPX (1 in or was in St. Marys, the other in St. Louis)
B. Fellay likes young priors. Bred in house to the new NO ways....
There are 4 Fr Haynos, 1 older SSPX, 1 Benedictine monk priest, an two young Fr. Haynos, SSPX (1 in or was in St. Marys, the other in St. Louis)Darn auto speller...
It is one of the young Frs Haynos, but I'm not sure which one it is.Relatively young, yes. He's 35.
Isn't Fr. McFarland young also?
It matters little who is Prior . The result will be the same until they address the real problem but as it is written "pride goeth before the fall "Hasn't there been three priests transferred due to health reasons? I pity the new set of priests coming into the parish. You can disagree with how things are being run but there seems to be a lot of meanness in the parish and that's based on first hand experiences at Our Lady of Sorrows.
there seems to be a lot of meanness in the parish and that's based on first hand experiences at Our Lady of Sorrows.Meanness on the part of who (don't mention names) and what accounts for it?
Is Father Patrick Crane still with OLOS?no
Meanness on the part of who (don't mention names) and what accounts for it?Parishioners and I would say it is bitterness. I think the reasons can vary but there is an obvious stress being put on these priests and part of it concerns charity.
You can disagree with how things are being run but there seems to be a lot of meanness in the parish and that's based on first hand experiences at Our Lady of Sorrows.It is not "meanness" really, though I do admit it often feels that way. To be more accurate the parish is fraught with bitterness , anger sadness and a overwhelming sense of betrayal . I'm sorry to say but these feeling are only natural after the duplicity this parish has been put through and is still going through
It is not "meanness" really, though I do admit it often feels that way. To be more accurate the parish is fraught with bitterness , anger sadness and a overwhelming sense of betrayal . I'm sorry to say but these feeling are only natural after the duplicity this parish has been put through and is still going throughStart a novena this Sunday
Is Father Patrick Crane still with OLOS?No Fr. Crane returned to as far as I know Post Falls . Fr. Crane did not like Phoenix in the least and requested a transfer almost as soon as he arrived . During a retreat meal service he was over heard telling one of the other Priests OLOS was the most divided, unhappy parish he has ever been to .He was also no fan of the summers here
OLOS was the most divided, unhappy parishDivided how? Theological differences?
Divided how? Theological differences?No not Theological differences :facepalm: Have you not been reading this thread ?
I heard many parishioners left during approximately during the time the new church was being built. Where did they go? Did they become semanticist?
No not Theological differences :facepalm: Have you not been reading this thread ?Yes, and I refuse to believe that the unity of a parish arises by agreeing on non-essentials.
Sedevacantist or semanticist as you put itI didn't say "semanticist". Look at my original post.
Most of the parish does not agree with the new orientation of the SSPX.So people leave the SSPX because they are compromising with the NO to go to a group that is totally NO? That does not make any sense. No one dedicated to keeping the faith would go near the FSSP.
People who leave OLOS go to the FSSP because there is nowhere else to go. Almost nobody leaves to go to Fr. Finneagan.
So people leave the SSPX because they are compromising with the NO to go to a group that is totally NO? That does not make any sense. No one dedicated to keeping the faith would go near the FSSP.If you doubt it, feel free to go to MM on a Sunday and see all the former OLOS faces, more than a dozen families.
There are 3 other options in the valley that are not in any way affiliated w/the NO that they could choose from. One of them, the local CMRI chapel, has seen a dramatic increase in attendance in the last couple of years and I doubt they are coming from nearby NO parishes.
OLOS has been struck down by God.
And yes: theological differences.
Most of the parish does not agree with the new orientation of the SSPX.
People who leave OLOS go to the FSSP because there is nowhere else to go. Almost nobody leaves to go to Fr. Finneagan.
It is such a shame for OLOS faithful. St. Catherine chapel does both; New order mess and the latin mass. Does MM do both? It is sad, both come under the dioceses.No, MM does not do the N.O. Mess.
No, MM does not do the N.O. Mess.But it is FSSP so is not only under the thumb of the local NO bishop but their priests are ordained by modernist "bishops". The FSSP will say a NO "Mass" when required by the local, and do actively participate in their group "consecrations". FSSP is NO with a few smells and bells but no substance.
It is TLM only.
Perfectly put :applause:
Fr. Wegner is left with few options. He's become like a desperate scratch card, Lotto player.
He keeps trying to get the "right combination" of priests there, to subdue or pacify the faithful.
MM will be like St. Catherines with both liturgies being said.Does the FSSP allow Novus Ordos to be said in their churches? The ICRSS does in Tucson. Such setups seem more common than "bi-ritual" Novus Ordo/TLM churches run by a single diocesan priest, like St. Catherines.
FSSP is NO with a few smells and bells but no substance.Your ignorance shows you've never been there.
Does the FSSP allow Novus Ordos to be said in their churches?No.
ISN'T IT INTERESTING EVER SINCE THE SSPX GOT INVOLVED WITH KRAH, GREC, REBRANDING, THROWING THEIR POSSIBLY BEST AND BRIGHTEST OUT OF THE SSPX. THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO HAVE DEBT PROBLEMS. WHY DOESN'T B. FELLAY USE SOME OF THE ROTHCHILD MONEY TO PAY OF THESE INDEBTED CHAPELS AND SLOW UP THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS EXCEPT FOR OVERCROWDED CHAPELS LIKE SAINT MARY'S KANSAS. INSTEAD OF USING SAINT MARY'S AS A FINANCIAL "MILK COW "
Your ignorance shows you've never been there.The problems at SSPX are a separate issue from the FSSP.
Their priests give better sermons than the current residents of OLOS.
The hate and meanness flows from the top down.
If you want the perfect example of the results of the SSPX's new orientation, look no further than the disaster that is OLOS.
Fr. Wegner is a cancer upon that place.
They would have to if asked because they are under the authority of the local bishop. An FSSP priest wouldn't have a leg to stand on to say "no" to a bishop.How is the reception at CMRI for SSPX refugees?
To be factual, the FSSP is a creation of the SSPX,not the Novus Ordo.By their own admission they were created by the Novus Ordo organization at the request of priests who left the SSPX.
My point exactly.of priests who left the SSPX.
The FSSP was not FOUNDED by priests of the SSPX, it was established by the Novus Ordo to take in priests who wanted to leave the SSPX and put themselves under the authority of modernists. There is a HUGE difference.
My point exactly.
Founded by priests of the SSPX.
What was your point?
What is the difference in 2018 between OLOS and MM?
so it seems that the debt/blackmail payment collected from the faithful has again come up short . I would like to thank all those with the courage and fortitude to stand up to the current church admin"Stand up" by not being generous? Miserliness is a sin (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/SS/SS118.html#SSQ118OUTP1); being in debt is not (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/SS/SS078.html#SSQ78A4THEP1).
SECOND COLLECTION FOR BUILDING FUND:JUNE 10, 2018 MORTGAGE PAYMENT AMOUNT $11,051 –COLLECTION $9,280CURRENT CHURCH DEBT: $2,226,719
The payment is due on June 10th
This must be a typo as June 10th is still a week away, they must have meant the May collection.
The snowbirds are gone, that may be why they came up short. I think the summer months are usually pretty lean. If I remember correctly they ended 2016 and 2017 in the black.
Whom let us see now. The collections for last month were short. Of course the collections at any church will vary from month to month. However what was not mentioned was the fact that all of the collections from the first quarter went over the amount needed. So this excess is used to cover the short month. So in reality, there was not really a shortage, just a short month correct?Let me get this right . You wrote :
fact that all of the collections from the first quarter went over the amount needed. So this excess is used to cover the short month.
I think what he means is that the building fund collections for the first quarter were more than were needed to cover the 11k+ payment so that "surplus" can be carried over to cover a shortfall in another quarter.And I think he is quite articulate enough to convey his exact meaning and that is exactly what he did . Now did he say more then he intended to, in a excitable attempt to defend OLoS ? Possibly. Will he now attempt back peddle and say he meant something entirely different ? Possibly.