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Offline songbird

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Re: Phoenix chapel debt
« Reply #90 on: May 24, 2018, 04:35:16 PM »
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    • Is Father Patrick Crane still with OLOS?
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    Offline Geremia

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #91 on: May 24, 2018, 11:53:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on May 24, 2018, 04:35:16 PM
    Is Father Patrick Crane still with OLOS?
    no
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #92 on: May 25, 2018, 05:11:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on May 24, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
    Meanness on the part of who (don't mention names) and what accounts for it?
    Parishioners and I would say it is bitterness. I think the reasons can vary but there is an obvious stress being put on these priests and part of it concerns charity.
    The entire congregation should get together and pray a novena  for the sanctification of the parish.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #93 on: May 26, 2018, 12:59:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Aleah on May 24, 2018, 04:38:42 AM
     You can disagree with how things are being run but there seems to be a lot of meanness in the parish and that's based on first hand experiences at Our Lady of Sorrows.
    It is not "meanness" really, though I do admit it often feels that way. To be more accurate the parish is fraught with bitterness , anger sadness and a overwhelming sense of betrayal . I'm sorry to say but these feeling are only natural after the duplicity this parish has been put through and is still going through 
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #94 on: May 26, 2018, 03:07:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on May 26, 2018, 12:59:35 PM
    It is not "meanness" really, though I do admit it often feels that way. To be more accurate the parish is fraught with bitterness , anger sadness and a overwhelming sense of betrayal . I'm sorry to say but these feeling are only natural after the duplicity this parish has been put through and is still going through
    Start a novena this Sunday 
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #95 on: May 26, 2018, 04:45:21 PM »
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    • As a quick aside to this thread, is there anyone still at OLS who remembers when the police after a long vehicular chase shot to death the son of the OLS secretary in the parking lot of OLS.  It happened during the time Fr. Finnegan was the pastor.  Fr. Finnegan witnessed it, but was in no way involved in it.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #96 on: May 26, 2018, 05:23:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on May 24, 2018, 04:35:16 PM
    Is Father Patrick Crane still with OLOS?
    No Fr. Crane returned to as far as I know Post Falls . Fr. Crane did not like Phoenix in the least and requested a transfer almost as soon as he arrived . During a retreat meal service he was over heard telling one of the other Priests OLOS was the most divided, unhappy parish he has ever been to .He was also no fan of the summers here  
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #97 on: May 26, 2018, 06:07:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on May 26, 2018, 05:23:57 PM
    OLOS was the most divided, unhappy parish
    Divided how? Theological differences?
    I heard many parishioners left during approximately during the time the new church was being built. Where did they go? Did they become sedevacantist?
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #98 on: May 26, 2018, 06:19:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on May 26, 2018, 06:07:15 PM
    Divided how? Theological differences?
    I heard many parishioners left during approximately during the time the new church was being built. Where did they go? Did they become semanticist?
    No not Theological differences  :facepalm: Have you not been reading this thread ?
    Also as far as those who now assist at a Sede church many are not Sedevacantist or semanticist as you put it They just want the traditional Mass somewhere besides OLOS  
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #99 on: May 26, 2018, 06:30:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on May 26, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
    No not Theological differences  :facepalm: Have you not been reading this thread ?
    Yes, and I refuse to believe that the unity of a parish arises by agreeing on non-essentials.
    Quote from: Town Crier on May 26, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
    Sedevacantist or semanticist as you put it
    I didn't say "semanticist". Look at my original post.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #100 on: May 27, 2018, 08:46:15 AM »
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    • OLOS has been struck down by God.

    And yes: theological differences.

    Most of the parish does not agree with the new orientation of the SSPX.

    People who leave OLOS go to the FSSP because there is nowhere else to go. Almost nobody leaves to go to Fr. Finneagan.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #101 on: May 27, 2018, 01:24:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 27, 2018, 08:46:15 AM
    Most of the parish does not agree with the new orientation of the SSPX.

    People who leave OLOS go to the FSSP because there is nowhere else to go. Almost nobody leaves to go to Fr. Finneagan.
    So people leave the SSPX because they are compromising with the NO to go to a  group that is totally NO?  That does not make any sense. No one dedicated to keeping the faith would go near the FSSP.
    There are 3 other options in the valley that are not in any way affiliated w/the NO that they could choose from.  One of them, the local CMRI chapel, has seen a dramatic increase in attendance in the last couple of years and I doubt they are coming from nearby NO parishes.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #102 on: May 27, 2018, 02:27:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on May 27, 2018, 01:24:45 PM
    So people leave the SSPX because they are compromising with the NO to go to a  group that is totally NO?  That does not make any sense. No one dedicated to keeping the faith would go near the FSSP.
    There are 3 other options in the valley that are not in any way affiliated w/the NO that they could choose from.  One of them, the local CMRI chapel, has seen a dramatic increase in attendance in the last couple of years and I doubt they are coming from nearby NO parishes.
    If you doubt it, feel free to go to MM on a Sunday and see all the former OLOS faces, more than a dozen families. 
    I am unaware of any increase at Our Lady of the Sun since the Bp. Sanborn people left and the CMRI took over.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #103 on: May 27, 2018, 02:34:44 PM »
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    • I don't doubt you, I actually don't care where they go.  I'm just saying it makes no sense.  If their problem was truly that the SSPX was giving too much away to the NO then they wouldn't go to MM.  

    They have some other motive for leaving OLS, which I hope they will keep to themselves.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #104 on: May 27, 2018, 02:55:16 PM »
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    • People are leaving Our Lady Of Sorrows for a number of reasons but the main one is the church itself and the duplicity of those in charge I myself have talked to  family's that now attend CMRI  they are not Sede they just cant stand the new and unfinished church or the unhappiness of those that remain. The same goes for those that now attend MM . It is not dissatisfaction with the SSPX but with OLOS .  
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