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Re: Phoenix chapel debt
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2018, 04:08:57 PM »
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  • Town Crier:

    I really do not know why you are telling me that I am promoting a lie. I know the numbers at the old church and again I will tell you that the enrollment is up, but only slightly. What do you think the attendance was last Sunday? Yes I agree with you that we probably have lost 100 members since the new church building. I also know that we have gotten new people that have started going to this parish also.  Yes people have left due to their not being happy with what is going on; that is for sure. Yet other people leave because they move away, for various reasons such as a new job. This is part of parish life. Is this not a true statement Town Crier or am I promoting a lie?

    As for the school, I will promise you that I did not know about the families leaving the school ( not the parish), until a few weeks after I had posted this. Now you either believe what I say, or you do not. Promoting a lie Town Crier?

    For the bingo: I again state that we have lists filled with volunteers, so many that we had a reserve list of volunteers. However we also have a new head priest and it is his decision now as to whether or not he wished for the parish to have bingo. So maybe you should ask him directly. I am sure he would give you an answer Town Crier.

    I  think you know the answers already  as to why the money was used on finishing the building  and not the windows like it should have been. I am not happy that this happened. I can only suggest that you go to Father McDonald and ask him yourself if you feel that you do not have the answers. Again he did not make this decision, as he was not here.

    Town Crier: I am only asking this; not to offend you, but you seem so unhappy at this parish. Why do you still attend Mass here? Maybe there is some other parish that you might be happier at.  Maybe there is a Resistance chapel that you could start going to, or some independent priest like Our Lady of Quito.

    Please Town Crier in the future do not accuse me of promoting lies about the parish, as I have nothing to gain by doing so.
    To answer your question 
    I stay for the Mass and I stay because it is our family parish one I might ad we have been attending since 1984 .
    That is the difference between you and I where as you say nothing is wrong . I say we have grave problems that are contrary to Catholic doctrine.
    Those problems need to be addressed for the good of the church . 
    Now that I have politely answered you question would you be so kind as to answer mine - Walton KY. has a church with about the same number of members as us 400-500 people.
    Why is it they have over 200 children in their school ? BTW starting next year we should have around 45- and please do not answer by saying "Ask Fr. McDonald" that is a non-starter .You make a bold statement and then when questioned about said statment as in the bingo or the misappropriated funds you say "ask Fr. McDonald"

    I would like to also ad that the church in Walton KY. is also new as is OLOS yet their church is not devoid of windows ,statuary or holy reminders .They are not saddled with a debt that parishioners do not want to pay. They are not being asked to repay funds that were misappropriated .They are not as a congregation split into opposing camps  This is a comparison of just one of the SSPX  but the fact is there is no other SSPX church with our momentous set of problems.    

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #46 on: March 14, 2018, 05:02:44 PM »
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  • Would it be off topic to ask what the tuition is in KY?  I think the OLS tuition is outrageous.  I don't know how any family affords it for even one child much less 4+.


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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #47 on: March 14, 2018, 09:23:03 PM »
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  • In the normal course of life, the poor do not give to the rich.
    How do you explain tithing?
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #48 on: March 15, 2018, 04:38:54 PM »
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  • Town Crier: I do not know what you mean that I made a bold statement, or that I claimed nothing was wrong. I clearly stated that some of the people  had left because they felt that there was something wrong. I also said that I was not happy with the use of the money with the building of the church. Please read it above. I do not know why the church school in Kentucky is doing so well. I do not go to that parish, and  every parish has its' own set of problems. To me it is obvious that the school is not being ran properly. Why else would these families pull their kids out of the school. I feel that it is a combination of many issues, but it boils down to again one generalized concept, and that is the school not being run properly. I commend you for being a member of the parish since 1984! I can only think of a few couples that might have been going there that long. I was curious, did you happen to know what the attendance for both Masses was last Sunday. I would like to know.

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #49 on: March 15, 2018, 07:27:03 PM »
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  • How do you explain tithing?
    What?
    Is this some kind of anti-Clerical jab?
    Priests aren't rich. On the contrary. They have given up all things (family, possibility of family/children of their own, wealth, and even living in their native town) to preach the Gospel full-time. They are worthy of our support.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #50 on: March 15, 2018, 08:31:59 PM »
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  • Town Crier: To me it is obvious that the school is not being ran properly. Why else would these families pull their kids out of the school. I feel that it is a combination of many issues, but it boils down to again one generalized concept, and that is the school not being run properly. 
    It is nice to see that after our discussions you see things in a different light. I knew if you just read my posts and gave it some thought you would see past your blind infatuation 
    i hope in the future you will come to the realization that the misused funds they took is an act of theft, sin plain and simple 
    no I don't know the head count for both Masses . was it higher then the total of the 3 mass combined in the old church ? 
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #51 on: April 01, 2018, 07:51:26 AM »
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  • What?
    Is this some kind of anti-Clerical jab?
    Priests aren't rich. On the contrary. They have given up all things (family, possibility of family/children of their own, wealth, and even living in their native town) to preach the Gospel full-time. They are worthy of our support.
    I'm speaking of tithing not as supporting individual priests but of supporting the Church.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #52 on: April 18, 2018, 04:25:14 PM »
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  • Well it seems that our wonderful modernist church now has a new large expensive organ in the choir loft 

    Lets see ; 6000 dollars on choir books now a new organ 
    and yet our church remains stark and unfinished Sort of proves the rumor true that the interior of the church will not be finished until we pay off the dept regardless of promises made and funds misappropriated 
    Much like blackmail or a unjust caveat 

    The church is not sustaining it self .The school is at risk of closing, Donations are down & the sense of community is all but lost Yet the TLM mass centers else where in the valley are bursting at the seams,Wonder why ? Could it be that traditional minded Catholics do not want to assist at Mass in a warehouse when there are other options 
     
     
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #53 on: April 18, 2018, 06:56:07 PM »
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  • Our Lady of Sorrows in Phoenix has had one heck of a stormy history.  Some of the "old timers" there may recall that when Fr. Finnegan was pastor there, the son of the parish secretary who was a bit mentally imbalanced led the local law enforcement on a long police chase which ended in the parish parking lot.  (It was a real "circus" -- even involving a helicopter I think -- the whole 9 yards. The fella proceeded into the priory and got hold of a 22 rifle owned by the assistant priest.  He then made the tragic mistake of coming out into the open and was shot dead.  The father of the poor lad appealed to the police to let him approach his mentally disturbed son, but was not given permission to do same and minutes later the lethal shot upon his son was taken.

    Some time after that Fr. Finnegan made some very scandalous public claims which he refused to take back.  He is also reported to have refused a reassignment.   As a result he exited the SSPX, whereupon he started up his own independent chapel in Phoenix which as far as I know is still operating to this day under Fr. Finnegan.  I and my wife attended the chapel a few times many years ago until we heard Fr. Finnegan make the incredible claim from the pulpit one Sunday that Bp. Williamson was a communist.  Perhaps needless to say, that was the last time we attended the chapel.

    After Fr. Finnegan Our Lady of Sorrows continued to go through some rather interesting times to say the least -- even until this day.

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #54 on: April 18, 2018, 06:56:22 PM »
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  • Well it seems that our wonderful modernist church now has a new large expensive organ in the choir loft
    The organ was donated for free.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #55 on: April 18, 2018, 06:58:25 PM »
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  • The school is at risk of closing
    How so?
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #56 on: April 18, 2018, 06:58:59 PM »
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  • After Fr. Finnegan Our Lady of Sorrows continued to go through some rather interesting times to say the least -- even until this day.
    Is he the one with his own chapel down the street from Our Lady of Sorrows?
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #57 on: April 18, 2018, 07:18:22 PM »
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  • Is he the one with his own chapel down the street from Our Lady of Sorrows?
    I left the area years ago when his chapel was up and running.  It was not on the same street (Baseline), but it was relatively close to Our Lady of Sorrows.

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #58 on: April 18, 2018, 09:02:42 PM »
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  • I left the area years ago when his chapel was up and running.  It was not on the same street (Baseline), but it was relatively close to Our Lady of Sorrows.
    Yes, that's the one; I think he's still there.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #59 on: April 18, 2018, 10:48:33 PM »
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  • The school is at risk of closing
    How so?
    Half the families have left the school to attend the one founded by the DeMarks that is btw now full
    and next year the DeMark school is going to double in size 
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