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Re: Phoenix chapel debt
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2017, 11:45:44 PM »
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  • I'm posting this here because it is germane to the subject; not only was I a parishioner in PHX but I was recently a seminarian:

    While at Seminary I learned of a certain concrete pour at Virginia that was done incorrectly because of communication problems with the priests in charge and the ever-changing contractors involved and/or architectural firms involved, that had to be redone to the tune of several million dollars.

    The SSPX is a sick organization and should be avoided at all costs. 

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #16 on: December 31, 2017, 04:07:20 AM »
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  • I'm posting this here because it is germane to the subject; not only was I a parishioner in PHX but I was recently a seminarian:

    While at Seminary I learned of a certain concrete pour at Virginia that was done incorrectly because of communication problems with the priests in charge and the ever-changing contractors involved and/or architectural firms involved, that had to be redone to the tune of several million dollars.

    The SSPX is a sick organization and should be avoided at all costs.
    Cost overruns in construction due to many reasons is as common as cats in the kitchen. In a project as big as that Virginia $eminary, I estimate the entire construction will run well over $100,000,000 (one hundred million), and I would expect that they have a performance bond from the contractor. A performance bond is insurance to cover any cost overruns due to the contractors errors.

    Judging from what I have seen of other projects, I doubt they had a performance bond. However, this is 200 times bigger than their typical projects. Even I, find it hard to believe that they would not have a performance bond from the contractor.

    I have written many times about that new $eminary, it should never have been even contemplated. They could have expanded the Winona seminary living quarters for $5 million nad have been done with it.

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #17 on: December 31, 2017, 04:13:40 AM »
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  • The SSPX is a sick organization and should be avoided at all costs.
    Why punish yourself by staying home and avoiding the good priests of the SSPX because of "Menzingen" hierarchy"? Why avoid the Holy Sacrifice and the sacraments from what may be the only valid priests in the State? Go to mass and let God sort out the rest.

    Go to the SSPX chapels, but do not give them money. Obviously, they do not need our money as they are rich, and we are poor. In the normal course of life, the poor do not give to the rich.

    Who do you know that can build an unnecessary $100,000,000 (one hundred million dollar) building but the extremely rich?
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #18 on: December 31, 2017, 06:10:00 AM »
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  • According to this study by Dr. Carol Byrne, St. Pius X never called for congregational signing or "active participation" (Neither did he allow women in the choir - a feature of nearly every SSPX chapel in the world):

    A Saint's wisdom it is.

    He even tried to save us from Catholic divas.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #19 on: December 31, 2017, 12:58:38 PM »
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    The SSPX is a sick organization and should be avoided at all costs.
    To which LT replies:

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    Why punish yourself by staying home and avoiding the good priests of the SSPX because of "Menzingen" hierarchy"? Why avoid the Holy Sacrifice and the sacraments from what may be the only valid priests in the State? Go to mass and let God sort out the rest.
    We stay away from Rome because of the Vatican hierarchy.  Why not stay at home and avoid the Menzingen hierarchy, as well? Yet LT, along with many other sspx trads, seems to think that sspx priests and sacraments are more "valid" than many (all?) others. Yes, sspx priests may be the only "valid priests in the State."  What "State?"  Do you mean 'world?'  What gives you the idea that sspx priests "may" be more valid than most?  This thinking, IMO, is cultic and inexcusable.


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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #20 on: December 31, 2017, 03:28:19 PM »
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  • Cost overruns in construction due to many reasons is as common as cats in the kitchen. In a project as big as that Virginia $eminary, I estimate the entire construction will run well over $100,000,000 (one hundred million), and I would expect that they have a performance bond from the contractor. A performance bond is insurance to cover any cost overruns due to the contractors errors.

    Judging from what I have seen of other projects, I doubt they had a performance bond. However, this is 200 times bigger than their typical projects. Even I, find it hard to believe that they would not have a performance bond from the contractor.

    I have written many times about that new $eminary, it should never have been even contemplated. They could have expanded the Winona seminary living quarters for $5 million nad have been done with it.

    As in Phoenix, it demonstrates that the SSPX lacks the management skills to oversee the build.

    Note: Max Krah admitted in a 2011 Remnant interview that the Jaidoff funds he was managing were earmarked to help build the Virginia seminary.  Father Asher is the treasurer of that seminary corporation and would know the exact expenditures.

    Yes, the expansion of Winona made perfect economic and practical sense. 

    But once one realizes the zionist Max Krah was behind the scenes, we know the Virginia site was chosen by the Society for political, re-branding purposes.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #21 on: December 31, 2017, 04:10:52 PM »
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  • Does anybody remember a  cathedral or huge church the SSPX was soliciting donations for? It was a few years back. It was supposed to be a very beautiful structure that was like the great churches of the past to show the world the glory of God? There was a drawing of it on the letter they sent out. Does anybody know what became of that project?

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #22 on: December 31, 2017, 07:00:02 PM »
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  • Does anybody remember a  cathedral or huge church the SSPX was soliciting donations for? It was a few years back. It was supposed to be a very beautiful structure that was like the great churches of the past to show the world the glory of God? There was a drawing of it on the letter they sent out. Does anybody know what became of that project?

    There were a lot of SSPX fundraiser listings for "Donate Now", but I think I found it from 2012 ?

    This was the big year for Bp. Fellay to consolidate his power.

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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #23 on: December 31, 2017, 07:57:08 PM »
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  • It is unusual for money to flow from Europe for grand projects in America. It is usual for it to be the other way as the US Catholic population was always regarded as a reliable cash cow. Whatever contribution was said to have come from the Rothschild empire, Menzingen would make sure that at least a substantial part of the Virginia white elephant would over time have to be met by Americans. The SSPX is in the hands of Swiss bookkeepers whose financial abilities will outshine any successes in the restoration field. Indeed, financial considerations have and will determine the corporation's mission during its entire existence. It is not to be ruled out that eventually it may buy into a cash-strapped Rome if the bribe were big enough. 

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #24 on: December 31, 2017, 08:48:57 PM »
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  • To which LT replies:
    We stay away from Rome because of the Vatican hierarchy.  Why not stay at home and avoid the Menzingen hierarchy, as well? Yet LT, along with many other sspx trads, seems to think that sspx priests and sacraments are more "valid" than many (all?) others. Yes, sspx priests may be the only "valid priests in the State."  What "State?"  Do you mean 'world?'  What gives you the idea that sspx priests "may" be more valid than most?  This thinking, IMO, is cultic and inexcusable.
    It is precisely those that thought the SSPX were the white knights sent by God to save the Church (a cult? Maybe for some) who now feel betrayed, that are the most hardline against each and every SSPX priests, precisely and justifiable because they have been betrayed. I on the other hand never really expected anything from the SSPX because from the beginning I knew that they taught in their seminaries that Jews, Mohamendans, Buddhists etc., can be saved by their belief in a God that rewards. If they swallow that camel, they'll swallow anything. What is happening to the SSPX was no surprise to me.

    I strictly go to the SSPX chapels because I know their priests are valid. If tomorrow an equally valid sede priest would set up a church nearer to me, or is a better priest, I would go there. Before the revolution of Vatican II religion, people went to a particular because it was the closest or because of the priests. In our time, I have just added valid priest.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #25 on: December 31, 2017, 09:08:37 PM »
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  • Glad to hear the choir books are going unused!

    According to this study by Dr. Carol Byrne, St. Pius X never called for congregational signing or "active participation" (Neither did he allow women in the choir - a feature of nearly every SSPX chapel in the world):
    :applause:


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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #26 on: December 31, 2017, 09:17:26 PM »
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  • It is unusual for money to flow from Europe for grand projects in America. It is usual for it to be the other way as the US Catholic population was always regarded as a reliable cash cow. Whatever contribution was said to have come from the Rothschild empire, Menzingen would make sure that at least a substantial part of the Virginia white elephant would over time have to be met by Americans. The SSPX is in the hands of Swiss bookkeepers whose financial abilities will outshine any successes in the restoration field. Indeed, financial considerations have and will determine the corporation's mission during its entire existence. It is not to be ruled out that eventually it may buy into a cash-strapped Rome if the bribe were big enough.
    Cash strapped Rome?? All Rome would have to do is sell a few pieces of art and the problem will be solved.

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #27 on: January 01, 2018, 05:32:54 AM »
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  • Cash strapped Rome?? All Rome would have to do is sell a few pieces of art and the problem will be solved.
    After taming the Society, it is easy to imagine that there would be some kind of 'buy-in' for its Roman niche and payment streams thereafter. Being subject to the conciliar hierarchy means you pay for it like any taxation system. One benefit of being free from Roman clutches is you keep all the swag .... and get used to doing it!
    Regarding Rome's/Italy's works of art, where they are housed are already museums attracting millions of tourists and considerable revenue. Why sell off such an asset?  

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #28 on: January 01, 2018, 10:19:39 AM »
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  • After taming the Society, it is easy to imagine that there would be some kind of 'buy-in' for its Roman niche and payment streams thereafter. Being subject to the conciliar hierarchy means you pay for it like any taxation system. One benefit of being free from Roman clutches is you keep all the swag .... and get used to doing it!
    Regarding Rome's/Italy's works of art, where they are housed are already museums attracting millions of tourists and considerable revenue. Why sell off such an asset?  
    Not to argue about this, but then why did you use the term “cash strapped”? 

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #29 on: January 02, 2018, 08:26:54 AM »
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  • Not to argue about this, but then why did you use the term “cash strapped”?
    One can imagine reduced income from reduced church attendance in the absence of a Vatican audit. And the financial reality today often indicates we can be asset rich but cash poor. A nice lump sum sent south from Menzingen coffers could seem irresistible!

     

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