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Offline Incredulous

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Re: Phoenix chapel debt
« Reply #105 on: May 28, 2018, 01:34:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 27, 2018, 08:46:15 AM
    OLOS has been struck down by God.

    And yes: theological differences.

    Most of the parish does not agree with the new orientation of the SSPX.

    People who leave OLOS go to the FSSP because there is nowhere else to go. Almost nobody leaves to go to Fr. Finneagan.

    OLOS has become an albatross around Fr. Wegner's neck.

    It is his "neo-trad lite" mega-priory program... that failed.

    Being a foreigner, not understanding the chapel's humble history, it's hard to believe the District Superior would dare to burden the faithful with such usury debt?

    And the faithful's reaction to the debt burden and the SSPX's modernist "soft shoe", is prudent and perfectly natural.

    Many of us have seen similar blow-ups at Novus ordo parishes when the liberals start to drive-out the conservative Catholic faithful.

    OLOS is a living example of how the SSPX's "fake-tradition" and compromises with the world are unsustainable.

    Fr. Wegner is left with few options. He's become like a desperate scratch card, Lotto player.
    He keeps trying to get the "right combination" of priests there, to subdue or pacify the faithful.

    We should take our hats off and toast the OLOS faithful for persevering in their resistance to neo-SSPX foolery. :cheers:

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #106 on: May 28, 2018, 11:10:11 AM »
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    • It is such a shame for OLOS faithful.  St. Catherine chapel does both; New order mess and the latin mass.  Does MM do both?  It is sad, both come under the dioceses.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #107 on: May 28, 2018, 11:23:52 AM »
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    • Desperate times call for desperate measures and people run from OLOS to anywhere they think they can get a valid sacrament because they know that if they stay, they will surely lose their faith.

    The OLOS parish is the meanest bunch of parishioners I have ever seen, and I have been in many SSPX parishes and Sede parishes over the years. I remember as a new parishioner there some years ago, most of the people wouldn't even say hi to you if you said hi first. They are a snooty bunch of fake catholics (for the most part), I call them modern day pharisees. 

    The main "family" there has had total control and influence over all of the priests that come and are the main cause of all problems. Between this family and all of the other families that suck up to them and do everything they can to be liked by them and "fit in", all cause the issues that continue to haunt the parish and school.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #108 on: May 28, 2018, 01:23:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on May 28, 2018, 11:10:11 AM
    It is such a shame for OLOS faithful.  St. Catherine chapel does both; New order mess and the latin mass.  Does MM do both?  It is sad, both come under the dioceses.
    No, MM does not do the N.O. Mess.
    It is TLM only.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #109 on: May 28, 2018, 02:27:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 28, 2018, 01:23:43 PM
    No, MM does not do the N.O. Mess.
    It is TLM only.
    But it is FSSP so is not only under the thumb of the local NO bishop but their priests are ordained by modernist "bishops".  The FSSP will say a NO "Mass" when required by the local, and do actively participate in their group "consecrations".  FSSP is NO with a few smells and bells but no substance.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #110 on: May 28, 2018, 06:04:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 28, 2018, 01:34:11 AM

    Fr. Wegner is left with few options. He's become like a desperate scratch card, Lotto player.
    He keeps trying to get the "right combination" of priests there, to subdue or pacify the faithful.

    Perfectly put  :applause:
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #111 on: May 28, 2018, 07:09:24 PM »
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    • Don't forget about Fr. Walker and Fr. terra of MM.  The newspapers couldn't get a story straight and never told the public that Fr. Walker was shot 11 times. Someone added the date of his death and 11 rounds to equal 33.  

    IMO, MM will be like St. Catherines with both liturgies being said.  But, validity, no way!
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #112 on: May 29, 2018, 01:35:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on May 28, 2018, 07:09:24 PM
    MM will be like St. Catherines with both liturgies being said.
    Does the FSSP allow Novus Ordos to be said in their churches? The ICRSS does in Tucson. Such setups seem more common than "bi-ritual" Novus Ordo/TLM churches run by a single diocesan priest, like St. Catherines.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #113 on: May 29, 2018, 03:15:31 PM »
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    • They would have to if asked because they are under the authority of the local bishop.  An FSSP priest wouldn't have a leg to stand on to say "no" to a bishop.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #114 on: May 30, 2018, 07:49:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on May 28, 2018, 02:27:08 PM
    FSSP is NO with a few smells and bells but no substance.
    Your ignorance shows you've never been there.
    Their priests give better sermons than the current residents of OLOS.
    The hate and meanness flows from the top down.
    If you want the perfect example of the results of the SSPX's new orientation, look no further than the disaster that is OLOS.
    Fr. Wegner is a cancer upon that place.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #115 on: May 30, 2018, 07:50:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on May 29, 2018, 01:35:47 PM
    Does the FSSP allow Novus Ordos to be said in their churches?
    No.
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #116 on: May 30, 2018, 09:57:18 AM »
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    • ISN'T IT INTERESTING EVER SINCE THE SSPX GOT INVOLVED WITH KRAH, GREC, REBRANDING, THROWING THEIR POSSIBLY BEST AND BRIGHTEST OUT OF THE SSPX. THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO HAVE DEBT PROBLEMS. WHY DOESN'T B. FELLAY USE SOME OF THE ROTHCHILD MONEY TO PAY OF THESE INDEBTED CHAPELS AND SLOW UP THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS EXCEPT FOR OVERCROWDED CHAPELS LIKE SAINT MARY'S KANSAS. INSTEAD OF USING SAINT MARY'S AS A FINANCIAL "MILK COW "
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #117 on: May 30, 2018, 11:17:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: cosmas on May 30, 2018, 09:57:18 AM
    ISN'T IT INTERESTING EVER SINCE THE SSPX GOT INVOLVED WITH KRAH, GREC, REBRANDING, THROWING THEIR POSSIBLY BEST AND BRIGHTEST OUT OF THE SSPX. THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO HAVE DEBT PROBLEMS. WHY DOESN'T B. FELLAY USE SOME OF THE ROTHCHILD MONEY TO PAY OF THESE INDEBTED CHAPELS AND SLOW UP THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS EXCEPT FOR OVERCROWDED CHAPELS LIKE SAINT MARY'S KANSAS. INSTEAD OF USING SAINT MARY'S AS A FINANCIAL "MILK COW "

    I suspect Max Krah is still involved with Menzingen as a financial consultant.
    As explained in previous posts, he's still on the board of a German SSPX school and enjoys Fr. Schmidberger's protection.

    And a zionist finance consultant is useful because the Menzingen crowd are amateurs at the art of finance.

    For example, recall Fr. LeRoux initially setting the donation campaign amount for the new VA seminary at $30 million. 
    Less than a month later, the SSPX came back to change the seminary campaign target to $60 million.
    Clearly, they are just pumping the faithful for what they can get.

    OLOS's ambitious upgrade plans came with a Menzingen agenda.
    Within that plan, it appears Max and Menzingen concluded they could pump the OLOS faithful too.

    They were wrong :cowboy:

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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #118 on: May 30, 2018, 11:54:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on May 30, 2018, 07:49:35 AM
    Your ignorance shows you've never been there.
    Their priests give better sermons than the current residents of OLOS.
    The hate and meanness flows from the top down.
    If you want the perfect example of the results of the SSPX's new orientation, look no further than the disaster that is OLOS.
    Fr. Wegner is a cancer upon that place.
    The problems at SSPX are a separate issue from the FSSP. 

    It is a statement of fact that the FSSP is a NO creation and must be obedient to the local bishop. They most certainly would say a new ‘Mass’ if ordered to by their local. 

    Although good sermonizing is a plus, it is not required, holding the true faith is required and the FSSP compromised on that decades ago.  Now the SSPX is following in their footsteps. 

    I know all about MM, I even know where the skeletons are hidden. 
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    Re: Phoenix chapel debt
    « Reply #119 on: May 30, 2018, 11:55:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on May 29, 2018, 03:15:31 PM
    They would have to if asked because they are under the authority of the local bishop.  An FSSP priest wouldn't have a leg to stand on to say "no" to a bishop.
    How is the reception at CMRI for SSPX refugees?

    I'm just guessing CMRI would scrutinize any ex-SSPX faithful, such as:  "Do you believe the pope is the pope?"

    In addition, are there any issues with CMRI's ordinations?
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