Author Topic: Bishop Williamson in 2004. (Read 5620 times)

richard · « **Reply #15 on:** June 15, 2015, 04:29:49 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Green Scapular is in ignorance, so I'll cut her some slack.

Nevertheless, she is in ignorance.

(If Green Scapular turns out to be male, he/she should have picked a less androgynous screen name)

I was at the Winona seminary in the early 2000's, and I remember being almost surprised how much of a "killjoy" +Williamson was, in regards to the doctrinal discussions +Fellay was engaging in at the time. He was meeting once in a while with Cardinal Castrillon-Hoyos. I still remember the criticisms +Williamson made.

I remember being excited at the prospect of "change" -- some kind of deal being done. Just anything new is appealing to human nature. Like I said -- I never went so far as to criticize or be against +Williamson, but I do remember being a tad surprised by his lack of enthusaiasm, and even criticism.

I guess he knew what was happening better than most of us...

.....and still does.

JMKViking · « **Reply #16 on:** June 24, 2015, 11:22:54 PM »

Bishop Williamson quoted the Archbishop quite often and as his spiritual son, he would faithfully let us know in Winona that the Archbishop had not been a gelded cleric, neither was he, and neither should we be.
Rome is occupied by modernists. P E R I O D The Archbishop did not trust them but as a true Roman, he never lost hope in the idea that it was possible they would change. Bishop Williamson knew and knows all too well that doing the cozy up and let's be friends routine is tantamount to dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight. Modernists are like voodoo; stay the hell away or look out!

The SSPX just wants everyone to get along because it pretends to be able fix everything since it is perfect and can't fail. I never learned to exalt myself when a seminarian of H.E., but I am not sure that is the case these days with the SSPX. I think they have grown soft and I am willing to bet many priors are more worried about the cars they drive, the restaurants they eat at weekly, the location of their next vacation, or the toys they can hind in their rooms, than about the rank bullying of their leaders.

On my first day in the seminary, Bishop Williamson addressed my entire class and said, "You are all worthless piece of sh*t, but Our Lord loves you despite that reality and I will with the grace of God and my faithful confreres in the SSPX, teach you to be fishers of men."

One young man, who was as I recall, quite educated, left 5 days later.

Matthew · « **Reply #17 on:** June 24, 2015, 11:51:14 PM »

Quote from: JMKViking

On my first day in the seminary, Bishop Williamson addressed my entire class and said, "You are all worthless piece of sh*t, but Our Lord loves you despite that reality and I will with the grace of God and my faithful confreres in the SSPX, teach you to be fishers of men."

One young man, who was as I recall, quite educated, left 5 days later.

When I was there a few years later (2000 - 2003), I recall some brothers/older seminarians suggesting that the bishop had mellowed a bit over the years.

Apparently that is the case, at least in some small way(s). For example, he didn't do that when I was there. He was all about teaching us humility though. For example, the ringing of the bell whenever a reader makes a mistake during meals. This is no longer done, perhaps to preserve the "self esteem" of the exalted future priests.

He compared the SSPX to a fat ugly "anchor man" on one end of the tug-of-war with Rome.

He also suggested on several occasions that the SSPX will only be blessed as long as it stands for the truth. And if it ever compromises, God will raise up children of Abraham from the very stones.

It's probably thanks to his influence that I have a balanced view of the SSPX, rather than the starry-eyed awe that some people have.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #18 on:** June 25, 2015, 01:42:19 PM »

Viking:

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Bishop Williamson quoted the Archbishop quite often and as his spiritual son, he would faithfully let us know in Winona that the Archbishop had not been a gelded cleric, neither was he, and neither should we be.
Rome is occupied by modernists. P E R I O D The Archbishop did not trust them but as a true Roman, he never lost hope in the idea that it was possible they would change. Bishop Williamson knew and knows all too well that doing the cozy up and let's be friends routine is tantamount to dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight. Modernists are like voodoo; stay the hell away or look out!

It occurs to me that many of the bishop's enemies may be "gelded." Because they act neutered trads. They may envy and loathe the bishop simultaneously, because, unlike him, they've come under the spell of modernist "voodoo," but can't do anything about it. They're trapped in a web of incipient modernism.