Author Topic: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post) (Read 33224 times)

Croixalist · « **Reply #240 on:** April 29, 2019, 02:05:11 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez on April 29, 2019, 01:24:47 PM

What you have posted is not a corroboration of the accusation of books and spells, of the photographs hanging on the walls, of the diabolic objects lying around, of the blood in the soup, and more.
I am not defending Pablo from what is true. I am fighting against lies which have buried the truth for far too long, and has kept people from seeing the truth about Boston.
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I am not attacking you, or Catholicus, or anyone else here. Once more, the goal is to seek truthful actions and words (written and oral).
This shouldn’t be an exercise in character assassination. That is exactly what the likes of Laudislas and Croixalist have done. They have made it personal, and gone after not only my character, but my status as a Catholic.
I have apologized for my connections with Boston. I have admitted my mistakes of the past. I am not going to continuously run up and down the streets in sackcloth, moaning about my many sins, because you deem it necessary in order to win human respect from those who have no apparent sense of decency or charity.
Your actions are deplorable. Your constant denigration of my character is unjust.
You are out of order.

You most certainly are on the attack. It's only natural given how much you identify criticism with character assassination. I said your behavior was absurd and that you have no credibility, and I provided reasons why. Instead of addressing those reasons, you decided to throw profanity around and brought your family into this. You still don't seem to grasp how offensive it is to see you repeating the same patterns after that entire operation was debunked on multiple levels. None of us are in a position to throw out any of these anonymous accounts, including you. The sooner you accept that, the better it will be for the entire forum.

Many of us here have valid concerns regarding your behavior, your motivations, and your character according to the quality and content of your posts here. If you don't like it and want the criticism to stop, you're going to have to prove it to your critics or figure out a way to silence them. Option B isn't available right now. We could go back and forth like this as long as you want, but I have a feeling you'd like to see an end to this.

Here's what might help: place a link in your signature line to this great admission of yours. That way you won't have the great burden of restating all the specifics. If there is anything like recriminations of CathInfo, the only site that consistently spoke out against that situation, throw it out and start a new one. Leave out what your mother or brother thought or did, focus on your actions and how it affected the TLM community. I hope it provides as many details as you seem to indicate: all the lies, the manipulations, and your specific contributions... otherwise, keep working on it. I feel like your stalling for time over here.

Oh yeah, and no food details.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #241 on:** April 29, 2019, 02:25:45 PM »

Martin, he's talking about your public activities, not your sins in the internal forum.

Croixalist · « **Reply #242 on:** April 29, 2019, 02:33:38 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez on April 29, 2019, 02:12:44 PM

Who do you think you are? Are you God? Are you my confessor?
Who are you to demand that I specify my “sins” to this or any other crowd? Who are you to demand an oath or loyalty or penance, or that my every post should have a list of my failures, in what I have done and failed to do?
This is crazy.
Does no one else see what is going on here?

It's not crazy. You keep referring to your admissions, but I don't see anything other than original sin and naivete being actively admitted. We all have "flaws", we are all "weak", but what did you do here? Lets see some details. You don't have to do anything, I'm just telling you what would be an act of good faith on your part in my estimation. You were involved in a public scandal, so some kind of public account would be appropriate. You could start with your public behavior on this forum. I don't expect you to take any advice from me or anyone else though because you never have as long as I've seen you post here. Call it a character defect.

Quote from: ManuelChavez on April 29, 2019, 01:39:46 PM

Let’s summarize what we have here, for those who came in late.

Catholicus released a testimony against Boston and Pablo.

I doubted the veracity of the story, for many reasons.

Others defended the story as true.

I asked questions regarding time, palace and actions.

I received no answers, only more excuses.

My reputation and character are both attacked, in addition to having my doubts questioned. I was accused of being Pablo’s social media guy, as being under a spell, as being a liar, and more. I have been commanded to apologize for my sins, and have been told to shut up.

This is a bit like the situation a few years ago, when the 16 year old made up the story about Pablo (that one was taken down).

No one ever apologized to me, or recognized that they were duped by a teenager. No one admitted to supporting a series of lies.

No one had their character αssαssιnαtҽd for that situation.

History repeats itself.

As far as that old incident goes, Matthew manned up big time for that as I recall. I seem to remember waiting to post on that story before it got corrected. But to paraphrase you, "that isn't what this is about." This isn't about what everybody else did, it's about what you did. This is about your actions right now.

My triggering came when you were given a list of decent questions which you decided to ignore for the most part and make the same tired claims of unjust persecution. You still haven't answered whether Pablo let his hellhound into the chapel. Then again, it's not like your account holds much weight either. You weren't exactly Pablo's keeper. In fact, it was quite the opposite by your own admission. You were absolutely captivated! Therein lies the main criticism: you never had a handle on events.

Croixalist · « **Reply #243 on:** April 29, 2019, 02:46:33 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez on April 29, 2019, 02:34:14 PM

None of that should be necessary to highlight defects and cast doubt on the dubious tales of an anonymous source.

It wasn't, but you do have unfinished business on your end and you have vastly overestimated your ability to rule anything out over at Boston... especially when you hold your own experiences so close to the vest. As far as you're concerned, you don't believe his story but if you want your opinion to have weight, you have a lot more work to do on yourself first. Learn to deal with criticism better.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #244 on:** April 29, 2019, 02:53:26 PM »

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Others defended the story as true.

Not everyone did. Some are still waiting for more detais.

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I asked questions regarding time, palace and actions. I received no answers, only more excuses.

You did receive some answers, but you cast them aside as not "jiving" with "your experiences". Admittedly, Catholicus retreating hurts the story (for now). But some of her story has been corroborated by other sources. You've yet to admit that the story is partially correct.

Croixalist · « **Reply #245 on:** April 29, 2019, 03:06:39 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez on April 29, 2019, 02:47:52 PM

I answered the questions that I could answer, even though they were loaded questions, and their aims were entirely clear, as well as being misguided.
They were to insinuate that the dog was killed in an animal sacrifice and burned upon the “altar” that was the fire pit. That accusation can still be found in the archives of CathInfo.
It was not a hellhound. It was a hound, a creature of God, an innocent and dumb animal, one that did nothing wrong, except for living in Boston. You can’t even muster some decency for a dead dog, let alone another soul whom you encounter on the internet.
Surely you can do better. Have some consideration that you are dealing with other souls on the internet, not mindless, soulless bots. We are all flawed and sinful, each in our own ways. You are no better than I, and I am no better than anyone here.
I question the validity of the story. I must admit that I cannot determine with 100% certainty that the story is false, nor should I do so.
I must hold myself to the same level of accountability as I do for others.
I should be able to question the validity of the story, while making sure I do not question or denigrate the character of the writer.
I don’t think it’s too much to ask others to do the same.

More deflections.

What better way to address all concerns than to consolidate all your admissions in one place for all to see and to easily access? I'm not about to slavishly search your profile or the archives.

I'm not concerned about the pit at this moment, but it is a testament to how evil things are over there that it isn't some great stretch of imagination to consider witchcraft. There's no sense in trying to howl at the moon over it, Pablo has earned the reputation! Speaking of howling, now you're offended by "hellhound?" Challenge accepted for the selectively oversensitive. I'm only going to wear these kiddie gloves once:

To your limited knowledge, was the most honorable and well-intentioned canine of El Pablo Diablo allowed into the Chapel at Boston Kentucky and or into any other Church?

Quote from: ManuelChavez on April 29, 2019, 02:52:45 PM

That supposed “unfinished business” is my business, not yours. I don’t have to air it all out or settle scores or beat myself to death with guilt to have valid questions about the testimony.

You don't have to do anything. I just gave you a clue about how to end unwanted criticism. Address the concerns as transparently as you can and you could make things easier for yourself and everyone involved. Or just keep doing the same tired routine and get more and more miserable. It's all up to you.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #246 on:** April 29, 2019, 03:25:50 PM »

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While others have experienced one or two of the elements of Catholicus’ story, this does not validate the testimony as a whole.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. No one ever said that Catholicus' story was entirely true, except you, in order to setup a straw man to validate your persecution narrative.

Croixalist · « **Reply #247 on:** April 29, 2019, 03:35:39 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez on April 29, 2019, 03:26:03 PM

I will honor your attempt to be less confrontational.

I remember the dog in the church.

The doors were left open at times, such as during manualia, and on especially hot days. Wasps would fly in unannounced, as would other critters. The dog was no different.

When I saw the dog in the church, it occurred to me that God gives a sixth sense to some creatures. This dog could have gone anywhere on the grounds to seek solace. It went to the chapel, the best place at the seminary.

The dog knew where to go for peace; the house of God, in the presence of His Son, Our Lord, in the tabernacle. The dog reminded me of Mary Magdalene at the feet of Our Lord, or of the publican in the temple, as it lay peacefully near the doors of the chapel.

“Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.”

:applause: Bravo! :applause:

I knew there was a reason you were holding back.

paxtecum111 · « **Reply #248 on:** April 29, 2019, 04:12:18 PM »

Martin: None of us are God, or your confessor, but many of us wish that you would drop your total self-absorption, and show some pity for your brother, who is forced to identify with the many errors of Boston, and tragically will become Boston. Save him, and you will begin to heal yourself, and embark on the tortuous journey to adulthood and selflessness.

Croixalist · « **Reply #249 on:** April 29, 2019, 04:44:02 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez on April 29, 2019, 03:26:03 PM

I will honor your attempt to be less confrontational.

I remember the dog in the church.

The doors were left open at times, such as during manualia, and on especially hot days. Wasps would fly in unannounced, as would other critters. The dog was no different.

When I saw the dog in the church, it occurred to me that God gives a sixth sense to some creatures. This dog could have gone anywhere on the grounds to seek solace. It went to the chapel, the best place at the seminary.

The dog knew where to go for peace; the house of God, in the presence of His Son, Our Lord, in the tabernacle. The dog reminded me of Mary Magdalene at the feet of Our Lord, or of the publican in the temple, as it lay peacefully near the doors of the chapel.

“Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.”

Okay, now that I've had some time to really take this in, here are a few serious observations.

- This dog was not a service dog and it had no place inside the chapel. Insects on a hot day I could understand, but a dog must be leashed or confined to another area if there was ever a chance of having it walk in on its own. Its presence was a desecration. That it belonged to Pablo the Desecrator is no surprise.

- That the dog might have preferred hanging out in or near the chapel instead of say, his owner, could be interpreted as an unsettling sign.

- That you carefully avoided answering this question in the affirmative until you framed it with "saint" Guinefort levels of animal sanctity implies that you are aware of how bad it looks to have a dog run around the same place as Holy Mass.

- That this dog would remind you of a saint at all is somewhat disturbing to be if not outright absurd. For the first time I'm actually concerned for your mental state, Martin.

I will continue to pray for you, but please do yourself a big favor and let the whole Boston topic go unless you are truly prepared to do what must be done to speak out against it. We need to expose every single scrap of darkness in that place. I have reason to believe you have been holding back and I'm asking you to drop the defenses and to find the strength to put it all out there. Until then, God Bless. I really mean it, man!

Meg · « **Reply #250 on:** April 29, 2019, 05:07:54 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez on April 29, 2019, 03:26:03 PM

I will honor your attempt to be less confrontational.

I remember the dog in the church.

The doors were left open at times, such as during manualia, and on especially hot days. Wasps would fly in unannounced, as would other critters. The dog was no different.

When I saw the dog in the church, it occurred to me that God gives a sixth sense to some creatures. This dog could have gone anywhere on the grounds to seek solace. It went to the chapel, the best place at the seminary.

The dog knew where to go for peace; the house of God, in the presence of His Son, Our Lord, in the tabernacle. The dog reminded me of Mary Magdalene at the feet of Our Lord, or of the publican in the temple, as it lay peacefully near the doors of the chapel.

“Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.”

I don't know why the dog is significant to the story here, but I can understand a dog going into a chapel if the doors are open on a hot day.

It probably isn't a good idea for dogs to be in chapels, but it probably isn't sacrilegious either.

I recall when I once attended a Novus Ordo Mass, a man sat down nearby in the same pew as me, with a small dog on his lap. I almost got up and went to another pew, but decided not to. I was surprised that that little dog was very quiet and well-behaved, and sat either on the man's lap, or on the pew and hardly moved at all. I actually forgot about the dog being there, for most of the mass.

Incredulous · « **Reply #251 on:** April 29, 2019, 06:46:15 PM »

Folks,

Martin has acted as the social media PR man for Paul Hernandez for years.

He's a soft-shoe spin man.
His brother Chris, is totally under the warlock' spell and this is where Martin gets his G-2.

Very simply, we have 7 years of accuмulated testimony that Hernandez is engaged in the occult arts.

Pfeiiferville is a warlock' lair and we need to rally to get him out of there. The collateral damage to trads souls is enormous, with ripple effects.

We ARE the Church Militant and we have a duty to take spiritual action against warlocks who embed themselves in our TLM Chapels.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #252 on:** April 29, 2019, 07:12:08 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous on April 29, 2019, 06:46:15 PM

Pfeiiferville is a warlock' lair and we need to rally to get him out of there. The collateral damage to trads souls is enormous, with ripple effects.

We ARE the Church Militant and we have a duty to take spiritual action against warlocks who embed themselves in our TLM Chapels.

:applause:

Whether wittingly or unwittingly, Pablo the Mexican has been an agent (or tool) of Satan ... with the aim of corrupting the souls tied to Boston.

I'm beginning to believe that Martin is himself somehow under his diabolical influence.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #253 on:** April 29, 2019, 07:39:31 PM »

Again, here's what we KNOW ...

1 ) Pablo's publicly-known destructive activities (sewing division and chaos, whether publicly or by spreading gossip)
2 ) Pablo's expressed scorn for Traditional Catholics, placing them beneath Satan.
3 ) Pablo rarely attends Mass, and when he does it's to make contacts. What's his motivation for being at front and center of a Traditonal Catholic group at all?
4 ) Pablo's machinations against the St. Benedict medal.
5 ) Pablo's attempting to conduct exorcisms without requisite authority or even Orders. Exorcists state that this is opening oneself up to evil influence/takeover.
6 ) Pablo's nicknames of "El Brujo" and "El Diablo". Why was he called these?
7 ) Pablo collecting pictures of people.
8 ) Pablo performing fake blessings (just one witness to this ... but Martin did not dispute it and felt she was credible)
9 ) Pablo claiming that Fr. Voight put a curse on his son. Why did that pop into his head?
10) Strange menacing phone calls (sometimes in Spanish) received from varying locations after running afoul of Pablo.

What else do we need, Martin?

Catholicus then mentioned Pablo possibly tampering food and speculated (admittedly) that it might be some kind of witchcraft. Catholicus also claimed to have seen a book on his desk about controlling people. Catholicus also described some other strange/unusual behavior. In these cases, it was admittedly speculation. If Catholicus were trying to fabricate things, she could have done much better than this. Was part of it interpretation imposed on some other strange behavior by her own mind? Perhaps. But I don't think she was making it up out of thin air. And 1-10 above make the sinister potential for these other strange activities MORE PLAUSIBLE.

Nobody here was hanging their hat on the certainty that Pablo was casting a spell on Catholicus' food. As someone astutely said, if the report was of Bishop Williamson sprinkling stuff in someone's soup, and that's ALL we had, it would have been completely dismissed or ignored. But look at 1-10 above for a while and let those things sink in.

Carissima · « **Reply #254 on:** April 29, 2019, 08:28:21 PM »

I know people personally who are involved with OLMC. The story is always the same. Pablo is a meanie—rough around the edges—takes it too far sometimes—but he’s harmless.

NO. I’m done with those pathetic excuses. There is something diabolic going on. I could care less if Pablo means well or not. We have no business judging intentions anyway. We don’t need them.
We have years of personal testimonies from MANY people dealing with this man. And conveniently, we also have quite a few people covering for him. And supposedly, they aren’t his biggest fans either?? Yeah, uh huh.. nice cover.

SO MANY TIMES I WAITED FOR FR. PFEIFFER OR FR. HEWKO TO STEP IN AND DO SOMETHING. FIX THIS.
ANYTHING.
THEY WOULDN’T. THEY HAVEN'T. THEY DIDN’T.
MANY REACHED OUT. EMAILS, PHONECALLS, FACE TO FACE.

AND WHAT DO WE HAVE? ‘INACTIVITY’ IN REGARDS TO HANDLING LEGITIMATE CONCERNS PERTAINING TO RELIGIOUS, LAITY AND CHILDREN ASSOCIATED WITH A MISSION/PARISH/SEMINARY.

That’s right, let’s just sit around and do nothing, yeah that’s productive.
Frankly, sounds exactly like what Satan would want.

And to heck with intentions,
the devil doesn’t need em’.

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