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Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
« Reply #165 on: April 26, 2019, 11:34:55 AM »
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  • but I do hold you accountable for calling into question my status as a Catholic.
    When did I ever call into question your status as a Catholic? You're going to have to prove it I'm afraid.
    Again, feelings don't count. Only actual words posted by me count.
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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #166 on: April 26, 2019, 11:38:33 AM »
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  • Manuel's argument

    The 10 participants in this thread disagree with me
    But I am a saint, as well as infallible, incapable of being deceived.
    Therefore, the 10 participants in this thread are evil.

    Then:

    The 10 participants in this thread are evil.
    The other 3,714 CathInfo members (everyone except me) must agree with them. Because that's the feeling I get.
    Therefore the whole forum is evil.
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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #167 on: April 26, 2019, 11:40:54 AM »
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  • There you have it; these words, in conjunction with the words of another, the notion of me as an unbeliever is made clear.
    You approve of the accusation made, and imply that it is true.
    And I stand by what I said because it's true, Martin!

    You DO sound like an unbeliever when you mock witchcraft in this manner. That is EXACTLY how unbelievers talk about the subject. Unbelievers don't believe in the devil OR any kind of sorcery getting powers from said devils. If you made charges of witchcraft, they would mock, bring up Harry Potter, joke about it -- exactly like you did. That was my point. And it's true!

    I never said you WERE an unbeliever. Can you make any distinctions, or do you operate completely on feelings?

    You'll note in a later post I referred to you as a devout Catholic. So I clearly didn't consider you an unbeliever. I'm just surprised to hear you talk like one re: the topic of witchcraft.

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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #168 on: April 26, 2019, 11:56:04 AM »
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  • I don’t know if this is related but a couple of years ago I was present for a conversation where Fr Pfeiffer was telling a group of people not to use the St Benedict Medal Crucifix. He said that the medal placed on those crosses was above the Body of Jesus and implied St. Benedict had more importance over Christ. I’ve always wondered about this and where Fr P got the idea from. I’ve never heard any other priest say this.
    I'm confused by the above. Shouldn't you have said "the crosses placed on those medals"?

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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #169 on: April 26, 2019, 12:10:22 PM »
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  • I don’t know if this is related but a couple of years ago I was present for a conversation where Fr Pfeiffer was telling a group of people not to use the St Benedict Medal Crucifix. He said that the medal placed on those crosses was above the Body of Jesus and implied St. Benedict had more importance over Christ. I’ve always wondered about this and where Fr P got the idea from. I’ve never heard any other priest say this.
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    Fr Pfeiffer was telling a group of people not to use the St Benedict Medal Crucifix. 
    Vade retro Satana! Nunquam suade mihi vana! 
    Sunt mala quae libas. Ipse venena bibas!
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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #170 on: April 26, 2019, 12:13:19 PM »
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  • Martin,

    Forget all the pointless details and Me-tales, and abandon the sophomorically-stilted, tortuous language construction. 

    Rather, our comprehensive, phenomenological, theological and philosophic totality is either for or against Christ. Which is it? You need to let the scales fall from your eyes.

    Your flip, arrogant and sarcastic comments (“stories of dungeons and dragons….tales from the crypt…skullduggery….witches and wizards”) are made in a state of altered perception. You are embarrassing yourself in front of some very intelligent and holy people. Stop posturing as if you know what you are talking about. 

    You must evolve from your present level of immature, instinctual feelings, all the way to cognition, and finally to metacognition. 


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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #171 on: April 26, 2019, 01:20:31 PM »
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  • How exactly did CathInfo "this group" express a "unanimous belief" in this story? Was there a poll taken that I'm not aware of?

    Manuel, you can't blame us for your own emotions and feelings. They really don't count for much. Only the facts matter. And the facts are that no one has expressed unanimous anything. Most of the membership hasn't even read or chimed in on this thread, for crying out loud! That's the REALITY and FACTS if you care about such things.

    Hey, at least we're getting somewhere...where you're coming from, I mean. So your FEELZ tell you that all of CathInfo has a unanimous belief in Catholicus' story.
    Great. Good for your feelz. The subtotal of your strongest feelings for a whole day, plus a dollar, will get you a candy bar.
    Even if people were to concede that most of Catholicus' claims were fabricated (which I don't necessarily think they were), I think that diabolical activity remains the most likely explanation for what has gone on at Boston.

    It's been said before, but Father Pfeiffer clearly isn't dumb. We have to assume that he received a solid seminary formation, being ordained when he was, before things really started to go South, so he's clearly been taught the fundamentals of moral and sacramental theology. He's also not a coward, personality wise. Having met him and spent time with him, I find it hard to believe that he'd let himself be duped or intimidated through any normal means. He's a strong personality and won't cowtow to anyone. 

    He also doesn't seem to be mentally ill, or out of his mind in a medical sense. I mean, he seems fairly lucid.

    What then, would cause a person like Fr Pfeiffer to progressively cut himself off from essentially every other Resistance personality out there, to savage +Williamson repeatedly, and, above all, to continue against best advice to cavort with Mr. Moran, to destroy so many relationships etc.? 
    Like I said, we can rule out improper seminary formation or training. We can likely rule out lack of intellect, as he is a reasonably smart man. We can (probably) rule out mental illness....what are the remaining explanations? The fact is that his behaviour is far beyond the spectrum of normal.
    If not straight up possession, then some sort of oppression or diabolical influence honestly seems to be the most compelling explanation at this point. 

    True as they may be (and I'm inclined to think that they are), we don't even need stories of moonlight woods or plastic bags of blood to reasonably suspect that something diabolical is going on at Boston...
    God cannot leave a soul to swim
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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #172 on: April 26, 2019, 01:22:06 PM »
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  • What then, would cause a person like Fr Pfeiffer to progressively cut himself off from essentially every other Resistance personality out there, to savage +Williamson repeatedly, and, above all, to continue against best advice to cavort with Mr. Moran, to destroy so many relationships etc.?
    Like I said, we can rule out improper seminary formation or training. We can likely rule out lack of intellect, as he is a reasonably smart man. We can (probably) rule out mental illness....what are the remaining explanations? The fact is that his behaviour is far beyond the spectrum of normal.
    If not straight up possession, then some sort of oppression or diabolical influence honestly seems to be the most compelling explanation at this point.

    True as they may be (and I'm inclined to think that they are), we don't even need stories of moonlight woods or plastic bags of blood to reasonably suspect that something diabolical is going on at Boston...
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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #173 on: April 26, 2019, 02:11:49 PM »
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  • The first thing is to cut the carp about Pablo being a warlock in a coven. Drop the Hogwarts and horcruxes, witches and wizards, and whatever mystical mumbo jumbo you’ve attributed to him.
    No court of law or legal system is going to care for accusations of witchcraft. They won’t waste their time with “blood soup,” “animal sacrifices” and “walls of photos designed to hex enemies”. You might as well tell the judge or the police that Pablo is a lizard alien, bent on world domination.
    Focus on the money trail, the non-profit and the required docuмents and board needed for said purposes. Take a look at the books, and what others have given to the seminary.
    That is the best bet, not these second or third hand tales of dark arts.


    In the name of the Holy Trinity,
    Father, Son and Holy Ghost, SILENCIO! 
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #174 on: April 26, 2019, 02:17:37 PM »
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    Focus on the money trail, the non-profit and the required docuмents and board needed for said purposes. Take a look at the books, and what others have given to the seminary.
    Ok, Manuel, go ahead. We're waiting. If you have evidence of this sort, we're all ears. Let's have it. Otherwise, if you refuse to light a candle, please refrain from cursing the darkness.
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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #175 on: April 26, 2019, 02:47:19 PM »
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  • Excellent post!
    Let's not forget the most plausible explanation: blackmail.


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    « Reply #176 on: April 26, 2019, 03:29:41 PM »
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  • Let's not forget the most plausible explanation: blackmail.

    Yes, but as I've said many times, blackmail only works when the thing you're forced into (payoffs, forced behavior) is LESS THAN the damage that would be done if the blackmail victim's "deeds" were given a full public airing.

    Say Joe Public had dirt on me, that could result in my going to jail for UP TO 30 days. He would never be able to force me into working full-time on his farm for free for a whole 3 months. Get it? I (hypothetically) would rather do the shorter jail time, which might even be less than 30 days.

    But what if he had greater dirt on me, that could result in 10 years in a maximum security prison? Now that 3 months' free labor is looking like a bargain. Capiche?

    Now when you factor in how great the evils are that Fr. Pfeiffer is being forced into...  Attacking all other Resistance priests and bishops, embracing a con-artist like Ambrose Moran, associating with and promoting countless priests with "lavender" reputations, the destruction of souls in and around Boston, KY, the loss and damage to many vocations, destroying at least one Traditional Catholic marriage, countless spiritual harm -- the dirt Pablo would have to have on Fr. Pfeiffer would be mind-boggling. Because in this scenario, Fr. Pfeiffer would know just how wrong all this is! He knows the value of one soul, of one vocation. He knows the dignity of a priest and a bishop. The crimes being held over Fr. P's head would have to be heinous indeed -- along the lines of what the Clintons or Bushes are guilty of! (And by the way, I believe the Clintons are guilty of conspiracy, murder, treason, cнιℓd тrαffιcking, pedophilia, and sacrificing children to the devil.)

    Blackmail sounds plausible, until you think about just how much Pablo has "forced" Fr. Pfeiffer into. No, I can't believe Fr. Pfeiffer had committed any crimes THAT serious pre-2012!

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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #177 on: April 26, 2019, 03:52:17 PM »
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  • There you have it; these words, in conjunction with the words of another, the notion of me as an unbeliever is made clear.
    You approve of the accusation made, and imply that it is true.

    Matthew was obviously speaking secundum quid rather than simpliciter.  He's not saying that are categorically not Catholic, just that with regard to this topic you sound no different than any unbeliever might.  You dismissed the possibility of witchcraft being in play here as so much "mumbo jumbo" ... as if you didn't believe that such things exist.

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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #178 on: April 26, 2019, 04:00:58 PM »
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  • Yes, but as I've said many times, blackmail only works when the thing you're forced into (payoffs, forced behavior) is LESS THAN the damage that would be done if the blackmail victim's "deeds" were given a full public airing.

    Say Joe Public had dirt on me, that could result in my going to jail for UP TO 30 days. He would never be able to force me into working full-time on his farm for free for a whole 3 months. Get it? I (hypothetically) would rather do the shorter jail time, which might even be less than 30 days.

    But what if he had greater dirt on me, that could result in 10 years in a maximum security prison? Now that 3 months' free labor is looking like a bargain. Capiche?

    Now when you factor in how great the evils are that Fr. Pfeiffer is being forced into...  Attacking all other Resistance priests and bishops, embracing a con-artist like Ambrose Moran, associating with and promoting countless priests with "lavender" reputations, the destruction of souls in and around Boston, KY, the loss and damage to many vocations, destroying at least one Traditional Catholic marriage, countless spiritual harm -- the dirt Pablo would have to have on Fr. Pfeiffer would be mind-boggling. Because in this scenario, Fr. Pfeiffer would know just how wrong all this is! He knows the value of one soul, of one vocation. He knows the dignity of a priest and a bishop. The crimes being held over Fr. P's head would have to be heinous indeed -- along the lines of what the Clintons or Bushes are guilty of! (And by the way, I believe the Clintons are guilty of conspiracy, murder, treason, cнιℓd тrαffιcking, pedophilia, and sacrificing children to the devil.)

    Blackmail sounds plausible, until you think about just how much Pablo has "forced" Fr. Pfeiffer into. No, I can't believe Fr. Pfeiffer had committed any crimes THAT serious pre-2012!
    I've considered the blackmail angle before. Here's why it doesn't make sense to me, or rather, here's why blackmail ALONE doesn't seem to be a plausible explanation:
    Prior to 2012, Father Pfeiffer had a pretty good reputation within traditional circles. He came across as principled, upright, and generally a well balanced individual. I have to believe (maybe foolishly) that were Pablo to have some kind of dirt on him, Father Pfeiffer would realize that dragging so many souls down with him is simply not worth the price of silence. Easier said than done, perhaps, but generally speaking, I'd hope that a well formed traditional priest, especially one with a personality like Father Pfeiffer, would just tell Pablo "bite me" rather than risk the destruction of so many souls under his care.
    For example, even if I had committed a heinous crime, I simply couldn't be blackmailed into renouncing the faith, or committing sacrilege, or deliberately missing Mass, or committing iconoclasm, etc. 
    Can you imagine trying to blackmail Fr Pfeiffer into somehow saying a Novus Ordo Mass? No way! In the same way, I just can't see him being blackmailed into cavorting with Ambrose Moran, IF he was in his right mind. It would take some serious manipulation, particularly of the demonic sort, to get him to stoop to this level...

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    Re: Pfeifferville is a warlock's lair (re-post)
    « Reply #179 on: April 26, 2019, 04:01:50 PM »
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  • Blackmail sounds plausible, until you think about just how much Pablo has "forced" Fr. Pfeiffer into. No, I can't believe Fr. Pfeiffer had committed any crimes THAT serious pre-2012!

    I would say that blackmail is plausible ... EXCEPT that it doesn't explain his completely IRRATIONAL behavior.  Blackmail can explain actions, but when Father Pfeiffer speaks he often sounds like he's completely lost his mind.  So IMO it's either mental instability or diabolical influence.  Now, one of the big things they look for throughout seminary is signs of mental instability.  Over 6 years, that certainly would have come to light and Father Pfeiffer would have been dismissed from the seminary.  Except perhaps if the 1998 drownings affected him on some deep psychological level.  That's possible.  But then you start factoring in what we know about Pablo ... the signs seem to all point to diabolical attack.  

    Was Father blackmailed into giving that sermon about how masturbation is the cause of road rage?

    Like you said, though, the only types of blackmail material that could work would be if Father Pfeiffer had been living along the lines of a Father VanDerPutten.