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Offline BrJoseph

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Fr. Pivert promotes the Red Light Position
« on: May 25, 2019, 08:10:17 PM »
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  • Certain promoters of the Red Light position should be proud of the certain priests rather than calling them "Fake Resistance"!


    https://abbe-pivert.com/charte-sacerdotale/#more-7556

    Google translation follows (with the modification that the priests were on retreat rather than accepting retirement!) - I hope that a better translation will be forthcoming.


    Priestly Charter

    In the next Knight of Christ the King will soon release after a long time coming, I publish the charter that several priests of the Fidelity Catholic have? Recognized for them. It concerns you directly, and its importance will not escape you.

    Before you give the following text, it is good to give you the background.

    Several priests of the Catholic Fidelity met last November for a retreat for priests. Williamson was not present, but urged them to excess? Mention these discussions that would allow them to better match what God expects of them. The most urgent seemed to us to be a charter that our place in the Holy Church, what are our links and what are the principles that guide us and our ministry. Everyone has contributed and each paragraph was subject to the approval of all. Then the full charter was again subjected to discussion for approval, approval she obtained unanimously and without reservations.

    It is not original nor extraordinary and this is one of its merits, because in the terrible circuмstances of the Church today we have absolute? Ment us wary of any originality, of any personal spirit , anything that is not fully consistent with sen? ecclesiae addition that is to say, how to feel the Church.

    We chose to take our time to publish it. After the Abbe de Merode who published the first on his site, I do it my turn, on my behalf and on behalf of each member of the community of Our Lady of Christ the King. View its importance, it will be permanently available on my website presentation page.

    Abbé François Pivert +



    Priestly Charter of priests gathered for their retreat in November 2018

    IN the exceptional circuмstances of our ministry, we want to remind our place in the Holy Church, what are our links and what are the principles that guide us and our ministry.

    Nothing seemed to us theologically more simple, clear and concise definition of the Church as that of the catechism St. Pius X: "The Catholic Church is the society or the meeting of all the baptized who, living on earth, professing the same faith and the same law of Christ, participate in the same sacraments and obey the legitimate pastors, principally to the Roman Pontiff. "(Large Catechism, 9 th article, § 2, 1 st issue)

    This definition of the Church defines what the faithful and pastors. Here is how we will be faithful to it.

    1. As for the doctrine

    The sacred deposit of faith was protected face of modern errors mainly by the Syllabus , the encyclical Pascendi and anti-modernist oath, then remembered and defended by Archbishop Lefebvre, mainly as to the doctrine of Christ the King and the importance of sacrifice of the cross. We renew our oath to be faithful to defend and propagate it.

    2. As for the law
    Traditional Code of Canon Law of 1917, fruit and synthesis of 2,000 years of legal and moral tradition of the Church may have been abolished by the modernist code. The new code published in 1983, is the fruit and implementation of Vatican II. This council, Archbishop Lefebvre has held "the greatest disaster in history" and the code he felt "worse than the council."

    Consequently, the 1917 code is and must remain the norm both for our life and for our ministry.

    In particular we recall the bonds we made by Canon 124: "The clerics must lead an inner and outer life holier than the laity and serve them an example by their virtue and rectitude of their actions" ; as well as those we impose the following canons, namely: - mental prayer, visiting the Blessed Sacrament, rosary, examination of conscience, the daily breviary - frequent confession, spiritual retreat, exercise the Ministry, the study of sacred doctrine.

    We find that the marriage on 1983 guns are contrary to divine law, an expression of personalism, modernism fruit. We do not recognize and we will never recognize the nullity of marriage statements based on that code, nor the subsequent marriages in these statements.

    It is neither here nor a choice of our own will, but the truth which is binding on everyone.

    3. As for the sacraments

    We see what God's grace toward us is having to leave the SSPX This separation has preserved us and released.

    We urge the faithful to do the same, first in order to protect themselves and their families, liberalism and modernism contagion. This was the principle expressed by Archbishop Lefebvre: you have to escape anything that may corrupt the faith and the life of faith. By this they will discover what true freedom of the children of God and the power of grace.

    We urge the faithful to form prayer groups and Christian life to sustain itself in trials and to maintain the life of the Church.
    We urge them, for them and for their children, not only to resist the deleterious influence of the world, but to get the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    We urge them to pray the rosary every day and even the rosary. It was through him that they will keep faith, have the courage to test and separation that will be born and grow the prayer groups, the children will become servants of Christ the King.
    We renew our commitment lies to support, assist and train those in the first - the faithful of the first hour or newcomers, known or unknown - who will want to implement this program of Christian life.

    4. As for the pastors

    We find and see in Williamson worthy Archbishop Lefebvre's successor in the defense of the faith and, not to be orphans, we put ourselves under the wise leadership of this worthy father.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Fr. Pivert promotes the Red Light Position
    « Reply #1 on: May 25, 2019, 08:20:55 PM »
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  • L'abbe Francois Pivert is not a member of the SAJM.

    He is an independent.

    This link lists the members of the SAJM: http://sajm-siteofficiel.blogspot.com/2018/12/les-membres-de-la-sajm-actuellement.htmlf

    The only amendment to the list which I am aware of needing to make is that Fr. Ribeiro went sedevacantist very soon after ordination and has been estranged from the SAJM ever since (though I am not sure whether Bishop Faure has formally expelled him yet or not).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Fr. Pivert promotes the Red Light Position
    « Reply #2 on: May 25, 2019, 10:40:06 PM »
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  • Thank you Sean for the clarification.

    Offline St.Patrick

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    Re: Fr. Pivert promotes the Red Light Position
    « Reply #3 on: May 26, 2019, 03:07:45 PM »
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  • What does the SAJM have to do with this anyway? I don't think the original poster presumed he was in their post at least.

    The SAJM is only one group in the resistance.

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    Re: Fr. Pivert promotes the Red Light Position
    « Reply #4 on: May 26, 2019, 03:15:17 PM »
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  • I speak French. By "Fidelity Catholic" they mean the resistance. It is one of the french terms for the resistance, because some of them don't like that word to be used to describe ourselves.


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    Re: Fr. Pivert promotes the Red Light Position
    « Reply #5 on: May 26, 2019, 04:31:19 PM »
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  • What does the SAJM have to do with this anyway? I don't think the original poster presumed he was in their post at least.

    The SAJM is only one group in the resistance.
    That’s great you speak French, but if you could also read English, you would have been able to notice the thread title (which in conjunction with the OP’s response to my post) makes it pretty clear he thought Pivert was SAJM.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Fr. Pivert promotes the Red Light Position
    « Reply #6 on: May 27, 2019, 04:08:28 AM »
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  • That’s great you speak French, but if you could also read English, you would have been able to notice the thread title (which in conjunction with the OP’s response to my post) makes it pretty clear he thought Pivert was SAJM.

    The thread title doesn't mention the SAJM.

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    Re: Fr. Pivert promotes the Red Light Position
    « Reply #7 on: May 27, 2019, 04:12:04 AM »
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  • The only mentions of SAJM in this thread are by Sean Johnson.
    I concur with St. Patrick. The SAJM has nothing to do with the thread.


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    Re: Fr. Pivert promotes the Red Light Position
    « Reply #8 on: May 27, 2019, 06:24:22 AM »
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  • The only mentions of SAJM in this thread are by Sean Johnson.
    I concur with St. Patrick. The SAJM has nothing to do with the thread.

    Matthew deleted the reference to the SAJM from the original thread title without announcing it.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."