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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: Pfeiffer Supporters?
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2021, 02:36:51 PM »
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  • And now Fr. Pfeiffer's "good friend", (now) "Bishop Tetherow" adds to the confusion. I heard he was "consecrated" by Macek but it's keep quiet. I heard from one of the families that go to him that they can not tell people. He is on YouTube under "Priests for the restoration of Catholic life" but is not found under his name as far as I know. He recently travelled to Colombia S. America (the homo connection to Newark, NJ) to recruit Novus ordo "priests" who he can now "conditionally ordain" to offer Mass either in the US or Colombia or both.

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    Re: Pfeiffer Supporters?
    « Reply #31 on: August 16, 2021, 03:42:14 PM »
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  • They claim he redid the consecration off camera. I hope he is a real Bishop, rather than having a bunch of invalid traditional priests running around.

    Even then there's another problem.  Bishop Webster's priestly ordination came through a line deriving from a man who ...

    1) was consecrated by one Clemente Dominguez, of Palmar de Troya fame.
    2) was ordained a priest in some Old Catholic sect that may or may not have been valid.

    Clemente was an insurance salesman with no training in Latin, and could easily have botched the form ... although the consecrations themselves were witnessed by large crowds and assisted by trained clerics.

    But even if he got it right, unless there had been a conditional ORDINATION first, he may or may not have become a valid bishop.  Now, someone produced a docuмent which claims that this priest was conditionally ordained, but I don't know whether it can be authenticated.

    Bishop Webster was a good friend of mine before he got ordained and consecrated, so I too hope that he's a valid bishop, but I could not approach his Sacraments given this state of positive doubt.  Whether Clemente got the form right would be negative doubt, but the ordination line is positive.


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    Re: Pfeiffer Supporters?
    « Reply #32 on: August 16, 2021, 04:04:22 PM »
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  • The simple answer is: He can not ordain seminarians.  End of story!

    Well, don't you think, then, that somebody had better dig up that missing record?  If the consecrating "bishop" can not produce a record of his own consecration, then case closed.  
    I actually remember someone posting an image of +Webster's consecration a while ago

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    Re: Pfeiffer Supporters?
    « Reply #33 on: August 16, 2021, 04:05:20 PM »
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  • Even then there's another problem.  Bishop Webster's priestly ordination came through a line deriving from a man who ...

    1) was consecrated by one Clemente Dominguez, of Palmar de Troya fame.
    2) was ordained a priest in some Old Catholic sect that may or may not have been valid.

    Clemente was an insurance salesman with no training in Latin, and could easily have botched the form ... although the consecrations themselves were witnessed by large crowds and assisted by trained clerics.

    But even if he got it right, unless there had been a conditional ORDINATION first, he may or may not have become a valid bishop.  Now, someone produced a docuмent which claims that this priest was conditionally ordained, but I don't know whether it can be authenticated.

    Bishop Webster was a good friend of mine before he got ordained and consecrated, so I too hope that he's a valid bishop, but I could not approach his Sacraments given this state of positive doubt.  Whether Clemente got the form right would be negative doubt, but the ordination line is positive.
    One might also wonder about Clemente's mental state. 

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    Re: Pfeiffer Supporters?
    « Reply #34 on: August 16, 2021, 04:09:33 PM »
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  • And now Fr. Pfeiffer's "good friend", (now) "Bishop Tetherow" adds to the confusion. I heard he was "consecrated" by Macek but it's keep quiet. I heard from one of the families that go to him that they can not tell people. He is on YouTube under "Priests for the restoration of Catholic life" but is not found under his name as far as I know. He recently travelled to Colombia S. America (the homo connection to Newark, NJ) to recruit Novus ordo "priests" who he can now "conditionally ordain" to offer Mass either in the US or Colombia or both.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCA4oAa4aF47c6KaeH9ljBdQ
    What a mess.
    Steer clear of that cult, at all costs, if you value your faith. Better to stick with the SSPX than mess around with invalid priests, poorly trained priests, pedophile priests and other "skeletons in the closet", sorcerers, etc.
    The SSPX is on the way down, yes, and it's a sinking lifeboat -- but it's not NEARLY that bad. Leaving the SSPX to become a Pfeifferite is a classic case of jumping out of the frying pan and INTO THE FIRE.
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    Re: Pfeiffer Supporters?
    « Reply #35 on: August 16, 2021, 04:27:43 PM »
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    Re: Pfeiffer Supporters?
    « Reply #36 on: August 16, 2021, 05:38:04 PM »
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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Pfeiffer Supporters?
    « Reply #37 on: August 31, 2021, 12:33:37 PM »
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  • Someone wrote in to correct me that Bp. Williamson did "eat at Pfeifferville" but Pablo wasn't around. That tells me it was from the early days, before Pablo (and his dark master) completely took over.

    So I have modified my text to be more accurate:


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    I heard that Bishop Williamson, at one point (probably towards the end), visited Boston, KY and refused to stay in the guest house and/or eat the food there. He refused to settle comfortably onto the conveyor belt and "stay in this room, here is your meal, etc.". I don't remember the exact details, but it sounded like he was taking certain precautions, like he had heard all about Pablo.

    The thing is, the post wherein I heard this is probably still to be found on CathInfo. All the posts, all the history, is there for historians to feast upon.

    Likewise, the phenomenon of Pablo himself. Pablo could have shown some shady tendencies before "all the good people" bailed on Fr. Pfeiffer. For the simple reason: They weren't always a package deal. Fr. Pfeiffer and/or Hewko came to our chapel a total of 3 times, but I never once met Pablo in person. So even if Pablo was misbehaving on the Internet and in KY, I could morally support Fr. Pfeiffer while not subjecting Catholics to Pablo. After all, Fr. Pfeiffer isn't literally married to Pablo! He was somewhat involved in Fr. P's apostolate, yes. But the extent of that involvement was not always so crystal-clear. So it's somewhat complicated -- at least for that short period from 2012 - Nov 2014. By then, the mask had been torn off, and Fr. P started attacking Fr. Zendejas and Bp. Williamson without cause, he released the infamous All Saints Day sermon "Put a rosary under your pillow rather than attend Mass", etc.

    It gets even more interesting when you throw Fr. Voigt into the mix. The latter was saying Mass here once a month, WHILE I was in full-on war mode against Pfeifferville after Nov 2014. I was defending the Resistance priests and yes, attacking Fr. Pfeiffer/Pablo without pulling any punches. Fortunately, Fr. P seems to have had less than full control over the world, and Fr. Voigt in particular.

    Just goes to show you what you can get away with -- hahaha. Evil doesn't always have as much full control as you think it does.
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    Re: Pfeiffer Supporters?
    « Reply #38 on: August 31, 2021, 01:35:04 PM »
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  • What has happened there doesn't affect valid ordinations. With the current crisis in the Church you really cant be choosy about priests in an emergency situation as long as they are valid. If he absolves me from my sins his personal issues don't affect my soul.
    Pfeiffer may be a priest, but not a bishop. Anybody "ordained" by him is on thin ice. One of them, young Mr. Croissette is at OLHC in Garden Grove, CA. I read on Cath Info that he did two masses there: a private one on a Saturday and a public evening mass.
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    Re: Pfeiffer Supporters?
    « Reply #39 on: October 01, 2021, 08:02:36 AM »
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  • We know Croisette, "ordained" by "bp?" Pfeiffer, travels around saying "mass" at Pfeiffer supporters' homes.

    But there is not a word about the other "ordained" by Pfeiffer, Daniel Cooke.  No outpost mass schedule, no masses at OLMC, nothing.  What's he up to?