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Petition to Support
« on: May 17, 2017, 07:37:56 AM »
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    Dear Friends-

    As you are aware, last month Rome announced pastoral guidelines regarding marriages of the faithful in SSPX chapels, which effectively subordinates the Society fo diocesan control of marriages, and which contemplate as the norm the delegation of faculties to a diocesan priest to validly witness such marriages "insofar as is possible," according to ordinary jurisdiction, ostensibly to "reassure the consciences" of SSPX faithful.

    Yet, for those who have followed the incremental and gradual compromises of the SSPX in pursuit of a practical accord with unconverted Rome (especially since 2012), this latest maneuver is perceived as nothing more than another step towards "reconciliation" with the modernists, which will end in the capture and dilution of Tradition, precisely as Archbishop Lefebvre predicted (and as modernist Cardinal Cottier admitted after his conquest of Campos in 2002).

    In response to Menzingen's scandalous acceptance and "gratitude" to Rome for these "pastoral measures," several priors in France have published a letter explaining their rejection of this latest Roman/Menzingen maneuver, and reaffirming their reliance upon ecclesia supplet (supplied jurisdiction).

    In response, the French District Superior (Fr. Bouchacourt) imediately removed all seven priors from their positions.

    In his letter, Fr. Bouchacourt tries to compare these seven brave priests with other rebels in the history of the SSPX (e.g., the nine sedevacantists who were expelled from the SSPX in 1983; the sedevacantists who led a revolt in the La Reja seminary; etc).

    What Fr. Bouchacourt (and his bosses in Menzingen) does not want you to notice is that, in the cases adduced by Fr. Bouchacourt, teh rebels were expelled or left because of their differences with Archbishop Lefebvre, whereas in the present instance, it is Menzingen and Fr. Bouchacourt themselves that are at odds with the positions of Archbishop Lefebvre, and the seven priors who are in line with him!

    Indeed, this pattern of engineered revolution (where the authorities are the revolutionaries, and the punished subordinates are the faithful sons of the great Archbishop) has been progressing since Bishop Fellay announced in February/2012 that he would be willing to accept a merely practical accord with unconverted Rome, so long as there were no strings attached.

    Apparently, he would have you believe subjection to the authority of modernist diocesan bishops is not a "string attached?"

    In truth, this subversion of the SSPX apostolate began very soon after the death of Archbishop Lefebvre, fomented by those who disagreed with the Archbishop, but remained within the SSPX nonetheless (e.g., Fr. Aulagnier; Fr. Lorans; Fr. Celier; Bishop Fellay; etc).  

    Since at least the year 2000, when the SSPX made a surrender pilgrimage to Rome, forecasting their consent to the GREC initiative (which subordinated doctrinal considerations to "legality", this plan has progressed, with most of the world only ably to vaguely "connect the dots" in hindsight, with the 2009 revelation of Fr. Jean of Morgon exposing the GREC initiative; the expulsion of Bishop Williamson as an obstacle to the reconciliation; Bishop Fellay's willingness to accept a practical accord way back in 2000, had it not been for the intervention of Bishop Williamson and Avrille (both now having been outcast by Menzingen as a result).

    A layman in France has now written an open letter to Bishop Fellay and the Ecclesia Dei Commission, rejecting the "pastoral guidelines" of Rome/Menzingen, and defending the seven priors who all stuck their necks out for us, to defend traditional marriage, knowing very well what the consequence would be.

    The hour is critical:

    You have waited, prayed, and demanded an uprising of courage and fidelity from the priests of the SSPX, and the powder keg has been lit in France.

    Your signature on this petition is necessary not only to support these priests (all of whom have some issues with the "Resistance," but who themselves are not beginning to resist), but to send the message to Menzingen that such maneuvers will not be tolerated, and will be vigorously and publicly combated.

    The link to the French letter and petition is here (Google translate does a good job of rendering an acceptable English translation):

    https://www.change.org/p/lettre-des-fid%C3%A8les-%C3%A0-mgr-fellay-et-%C3%A0-la-commission-ecclesia-dei-sur-les-mariages-dans-la-fsspx 

    You can also read it on the Non Possumus blog (which also contains a translation application) here: http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2017/05/los-fieles-de-francia-se-levantan-carta.html 

    Perhaps with enough support, we can even create enough momentum to make a turning point in the battle to save the SSPX (even though it already seems to have its head in the noose).

    Please do sign.

    Semper Idem,
    Sean Johnson
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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #1 on: May 17, 2017, 07:39:05 AM »
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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #2 on: May 17, 2017, 11:50:49 AM »
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  • I'm not trying to be knit-picky, but the petition says that...."As followers of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X and in the struggle of its founder, Monseigneur Lefebvre, we declare the following......"

    The problem I see with this is that the author of the petition is assuming that those who sign the petition are those faithful who attend SSPX chapels. He says this in his sentence..."As followers of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X....."

    Would it really be right and proper for those who do not attend an SSPX chapel to sign the petition? I don't know the answer. I'm just asking the question out of concern about being honest.

    Otherwise, I think that the petition is a good thing.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #3 on: May 17, 2017, 12:02:01 PM »
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  • I'm not trying to be knit-picky, but the petition says that...."As followers of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X and in the struggle of its founder, Monseigneur Lefebvre, we declare the following......"

    The problem I see with this is that the author of the petition is assuming that those who sign the petition are those faithful who attend SSPX chapels. He says this in his sentence..."As followers of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X....."

    Would it really be right and proper for those who do not attend an SSPX chapel to sign the petition? I don't know the answer. I'm just asking the question out of concern about being honest.

    Otherwise, I think that the petition is a good thing.

    1. You have a point

    2. I didn't see that. I don't always read every word of things like this -- I'm too busy.

    3. I was a "follower of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X" since at least 2000 (though before then, I morally supported +ABL and his Society -- there simply wasn't an SSPX chapel within driving distance)

    4. Such supporters (all the Resistance, including myself) aren't the ones who changed -- we never wavered in our support of "the old SSPX" which unfortunately doesn't exist anymore. And we certainly stand with +ABL!

    5. Nevertheless, you're right that claiming to be with the SSPX at this point smacks of Fr. Pfeiffer's lunacy, "I'm still a member of the SSPX, and Fr. Stehlin is my superior..." Even if Fr. Pfeiffer's expulsion wasn't legitimate, that doesn't mean one can deny it, and claim to still be a member of the SSPX in good standing! Let's be grounded in reality here.

    6. If Bp. Zendejas said "Bishop Fellay is my superior", we'd never hear the end of it. But Fr. Pfeiffer can say it all he wants, and his brainwashed cult members think it's just dandy.
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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #4 on: May 17, 2017, 12:12:04 PM »
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  • Matthew,

    Do you know who the author of the petition is? I assumed that it is someone who attends an SSPX chapel, due to the wording I mentioned. But maybe it's not.

    I hadn't thought that the petition might be from Fr. Pfeiffer (if that's what you are referring to). But I don't think that Sean Johnson would have posted it if it was from Fr. Pfeiffer. I could be wrong. It's a bit confusing.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #5 on: May 17, 2017, 12:54:18 PM »
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  • I'm not trying to be knit-picky, but the petition says that...."As followers of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X and in the struggle of its founder, Monseigneur Lefebvre, we declare the following......"

    The problem I see with this is that the author of the petition is assuming that those who sign the petition are those faithful who attend SSPX chapels. He says this in his sentence..."As followers of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X....."

    Would it really be right and proper for those who do not attend an SSPX chapel to sign the petition? I don't know the answer. I'm just asking the question out of concern about being honest.

    Otherwise, I think that the petition is a good thing.

    It's all so confusing  :facepalm:

    1. We had the SSPX... it died.
    2. The SSPX morphed into the xSPX... heading to their Vatican II (prelature) sell-out.
    3. Then there's the MC SSPX (Marian Corps) 4 Bishops et al.  (Correct?)
    4. Then there's the Pfeifferians MC SSPX (Mind Control)
    5. The broad based group known as the Neo-trads (FSSP, ICK etc.) 
    6. Sede-trads (CMRI etc.)
    7. Then there's the remnant Trads (independents)

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #6 on: May 18, 2017, 01:18:14 AM »
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  • "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #7 on: May 18, 2017, 05:59:38 AM »
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  • If you are a Catholic and you want your marriage to be recognized as valid by the Catholic Church then this is the set of rules you must follow;

     http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM


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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #8 on: May 18, 2017, 10:56:37 AM »
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  • Reading through this reminds me of the petition(s) posted here five years ago.

    May 17, 2012
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/savesspx-com-a-new-website

    May 18, 2012
    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/international-sspx-petition-in-support-of-tradition-and-opposed-to-sellout

    The petition does sound like those two petitions from five years ago.

    I found a link that shows that the author is likely to be named Christian Lassale. It seems that he is part of the Resistance and writes in French so he's probably based in France. Maybe the translation from French to English made it seem as if the author was speaking of the signers attending SSPX chapels. Or something like that.

    So I think I was wrong to think that the author was assuming that only SSPX chapel faithful were to sign the petition. Here's the link that shows the authors name (at least I'm assuming that he's the author).


    http://www.medias-presse.info/a-signer-lettre-des-fideles-a-la-commission-ecclesia-dei-sur-les-mariages/74125/
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #9 on: May 18, 2017, 02:30:39 PM »
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  • I would think that with 600 people viewing this topic, that the Petition would have reached 500 signers by now. Last I check it was at 81 more to go. So, if you read this, then go ahead and sign!

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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #10 on: May 18, 2017, 03:56:09 PM »
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  • Why not just write to the District Headquarters and voice your position?



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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #11 on: May 18, 2017, 04:05:21 PM »
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  • Here is the info to contact the USA District.

    http://sspx.org/en/contact-us-2868

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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #12 on: May 18, 2017, 04:25:43 PM »
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  • I wrote to them as an individual as I think that will carry more weight than an anonymous petition.  It will take you 3 minutes to compose a brief message, let's flood District HQ with emails and let them know we do not want to be under the authority of modernist Rome.

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    Re: Petition to Support
    « Reply #13 on: June 26, 2017, 11:02:34 AM »
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  • The petition has been sent:

    Paris, June 25, 2017, Your Excellency, Eminence,

    You will find herewith the text of a petition from faithful followers of the heritage of Bishop Marcel Lefebvre and which has collected nearly 700 signatures. These faithful That the new arrangements you have put in place regarding the administration of the sacrament of marriage to the betrothed attached to the Catholic tradition are not compatible with fidelity to a Catholicism free from the mistakes of Vatican II. We have included the comments of the faithful on the occasion of the signing of this petition. These comments show the profound rejection by the faithful of the provisions in question and more generally their fundamental opposition to a canonical regularization of the Society of Saint Pius X which would not be preceded by the recognition and rejection by the Roman authorities of the errors of the Council Vatican II. Any other procedure can only be interpreted as the betrayal of Bishop Lefebvre's struggle. We did not allow ourselves any correction to the reviews. Of course we do not subscribe to the (rare) invectives that they could contain. Excellency, Eminence, may our Lord Jesus Christ enlighten you and give you the strength not to yield to the mirage of a practical agreement when the Church is dying of the dogmatic ambiguity resulting from the evil Vatican II.

    Marcel Timafe P.J.
    text of the petition,
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