From two other threads:

Quote from: Pete Vere

Quote from: Neil Obstat

.Would that Catholics today follow the ideological example of the great Fr. Rioult insofar as here he gives the example of Catholics being able to work together toward this august common goal, which is the preservation of the Catholic Faith.

Basically, whoever said that sedevacantism is among the Resistance to stay, is correct.

That issue is of little importance. You could have saved a lot of time by just saying that, since that is all you came here for.  



What is important is all the souls living in adultery now due to the annulment industry which you participate in. The sin of the conciliar church annulment industry is all that one needs to see to realize why all of the bishops have lost their minds.


When the bishop told him some bazaar novelty, the now famous traditionalist, Fr. DePauw answered with that accent of his:

 "You'll pardon me your eminence, but you've either lost the Faith, or you've lost your marbles".

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Peter Vere is the author of the book - Annulment: 100 Questions and Answers for Catholics

All American Bishops have lost God's Grace because of their participation in the  USA conciliar Church annulment scam. All wisdom comes from God. Without God's Grace we are blind. Peter Vere makes a living in the  annulment racket. Until he repents for his participation in this abomination, he will remain a dumb guide, just like everyone else who participates in  granting these bogus annulments.

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"I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein.

Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (St. John Chrysostom, Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)

He's also a fan of Francis' good thursday stunt.

https://www.facebook.com/dave.armstrong.798/posts/141701656007087

And of the opinion that Abp Lefebvre was guilty of schism.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0072.html

Heck, he even authored the ridiculously titled "More Catholic than the pope", the title's premise being that somehow the pope per definition is the "most Catholic" person in the world.

Code red Neo-con alert: Attention everybody, this is not a drill

Hundreds of millions of people are living in adultery sanctioned by the Bishops!

I think your number must be high; there can't be hundreds of millions of people who were granted bogus annulments. Tens of millions, maybe.

Some stats and reasons. Link

I agree with Bowler for the most part, these wretched "annulments" are nothing short of licensed adultery. But a brief glance at the stats shows a dramatic imbalance between the US and the rest of the world.

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... the number of annulments granted annually in the United States soared from 338 in 1968, to 28,918 in 1974, to a peak of 63,933 in 1991. By 2004 the number had fallen to 46,330, and it fell even further, to 35,009, in 2007 ...

Despite this decline, the United States, with 5.9 percent of the world’s Catholics, still accounts for 60 percent of the Church’s 58,322 declarations of nullity (2007 statistics in the Vatican Secretariat of State’s Statistical Yearbook of the Church). Of the 35,009 declarations of nullity granted in the US, 79 percent were granted through the ordinary process, while 21 percent were granted through the docuмentary process.

The United States leads the world in declarations of nullity (with 35,009 in 2007) by a very large margin; the country with the next highest annulment rate—Italy—had only 2,625 that same year ... On the other hand, Africa, which has 14 percent of the world’s Catholics, accounts for a mere 0.9 percent of the Church’s declarations of nullity.

A high rate of annulment requires 1) a sizable population of Catholics who retain the custom of marriage and 2) female empowerment. Europe has female empowerment but few Catholics (or any other native Europeans) who still get married.

Western female empowerment has gradually transformed marriage and child-bearing into a bond of legally enforced chattel slavery for men. Married women have new "rights" equivalent to that of a slave owner, invokable by recourse to the Family Court system. Feminist or behind-the-times clergymen do great harm whenever they facilitate the marriage of a gullible man to a modern-thinking woman. White US men fall behind Europeans in adjusting their behavior to the degradation of government-prescribed marriage.

Obviously, Catholic marriage is necessary for the continuation of the Church and nation. Perhaps a non-governmental private "covenant marriage" is a solution, but having children still leaves the door open for Family Court involvement. Even some otherwise Catholic wives occasionally drop threatening hints of divorce. If the husband response to such threats with fear, his wife will lose attraction and thereby become ever more likely to eventually file for divorce.

There is no supplied jurisdiction for the SSPX to provide annulments. They have no business granting annulments. Nothing else needs to be said. If someone wants an annulment, any SSPX priest can give them advice, and then they can go to the Novus Ordo and get an annulment.

An annulment is simply a judgment that the marriage never truly existed. It's not a dispensation, it's a judgment based on specific facts. If the facts are not there, there can be no annulment.

SJB wrote:

An annulment is simply a judgment that the marriage never truly existed. It's not a dispensation, it's a judgment based on specific facts. If the facts are not there, there can be no annulment.

Okay, I understand you a lot better now.

SJB, what is being argued is that the process has been corrupted.  This means that some bad people are in charge of it and they are not following the rules.  The 'facts' are usually matters of testimony, given to representative of a diocesan tribunal.  

You seem to think that it's a matter of showing or not showing Baptismal certificates.  No.  When it goes to the tribunal, it is there for an attempted judgement of simluation of consent.  This deals with the mental status of the people who attempted the marriage.  

These are virtually always granted, after a waiting period to preserve the appearance of deliberation.  

Quote from: Machabees

Quote from: bowler

The SSPX has no authority whatsoever to grant annulments. As a matter of fact, as I've said many times before, I believe they are cursed today precisely because they went into the business of granting annulments.

“Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” (St. Augustine)

"I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein.

Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail". (St. John Chrysostom Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)

....The SSPX, in crisis of today's Novus ordo conciliar modernism and their plague of destroying the Sacrament of Marriage, along with their cotton-candy abuses of annulments, was forced by souls coming to them who are seeking the Sacrament of Marriage from them necessitated a preparation and an investigation....

Hence, "annulments", not by ordinary jurisdiction, but through the state of necessity is supplied to protect and to keep Holy the Sacrament of Marriage.

There is no supplied jurisdiction for the SSPX to provide annulments. They have no business granting annulments. Nothing else needs to be said. If someone wants an annulment, any SSPX priest can give them advice, and then they can go to the Novus Ordo and get an annulment.

Keep in mind that there were like 80 annulments a year WORLDWIDE (1952-1956) till the annulment dam broke in the 1970's and on,, and then it went to 35,000 to 63,000 per year just in the USA!

Do the math and tell me what are the chances of those 35,000- 63,000 having a valid annulment? (it's even less that 1/10 of 1%)

It is an abomination, and a perfect example of people seeking teachers according to their own desires:

For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears (2Tim 4:3)

bowler,

I noticed that you have imported only a small section of what I had written; which throws what I wrote out of context.

For clarity, here is the rest of what I wrote:

Machabees said:

As this is a topic that is off the Thread; however, it is necessary to explain what the Church has always taught on these matters.

Simply:

Annulments, in the view of the Novus Ordo, is truly an abomination.

Annulments, in view of the historical teaching of the Catholic Church, is based on the Sacrament of Marriage itself, Her Justice, and Her Mercy.

The Sacrament of Marriage is for the Church and for the common good of society.

The complexities of today’s modern day marriages between baptized and non-baptized souls, along with the intentions, is a matter of protecting the whole of the Sacrament of Marriage in the Church itself; not to abuse it.  In other words, an “annulment” is not in the negative connotation, but in the positive of protecting the Sacrament of Marriage from any abuse.  If a marriage does exist, it must be stated so.  If a marriage never existed, it also must be stated so.

In our modern day speak, the word Annulment has pitifully been abused from the very ones who are supposed to protect the very Sacrament of Marriage.

The SSPX, in crisis of today's Novus ordo conciliar modernism and their plague of destroying the Sacrament of Marriage, along with their cotton-candy abuses of annulments, was forced by souls coming to them who are seeking the Sacrament of Marriage from them necessitated a preparation and an investigation.

In all marriage preparation, the Church commands that the priest look into the foundation and intention of the prospects to make sure the Sacrament of Marriage is clear and un-abused.  It is a matter of Justice for the Church and for the couple to be prepared for the Sacrament; like any other Sacrament one wants to receive; especially, as with Holy orders.  There is an investigation into the prospect so there will not be any abuse to the Sacrament and to the Church Herself.

Hence, "annulments", not by ordinary jurisdiction, but through the state of necessity is supplied to protect and to keep Holy the Sacrament of Marriage.

There is no other reason.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=28853&min=205&num=5

The breakdown of Catholic marriages are the symptom of a much larger problem.  If one is not diseased, then one has no symptoms.

The main reason for the breakdown in Catholic marriage along with so many other evils today is the long term absence of the lawful shepherds of the Church, along with public heretics usurping their offices.