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« on: August 19, 2014, 09:03:26 AM »
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  • (Google translation)

    1. The last edition of the magazine "Una Voce Informa" (August): on the cover are the seminarians SSPX of Argentina. Calls them "our".


    2. The magazine talks about the results of crusade of rosaries of the SSPX, but talk about it as its own thing.


    3. Una Voce mentions her friends: among them is the Bishop Rifán, Cardinal Castrillón, etc.


    4. The magazine mixtures texts of St. Pius X, Pope Fracisco, Bishop Fellay, Bishop Lefebvre, saints, a degenerate atheist Jєωιѕн blasphemer (Alejandro Jorodowsky in the August edition).


    5. There are a list of persons responsible for receiving donations for Una Voce: among them is the name of Father Pierre Mouroux SSPX, 27, ordained in 2011 He is in Mexico City.


    6. The magazine gives details of the collaboration between the SSPX and Una Voce of Cuba. He says Una Voce provides the place for the Mass and the SSPX Priests contribute to celebrate these Masses. Says that Una Voce Cuba has a debt money to the SSPX.


    The detalis:

    http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2014/08/una-voce-y-fsspx-una-misma-voz.html

    http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2014/08/mas-sobre-el-repugnante-contubernio-una.html


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    « Reply #1 on: August 19, 2014, 12:29:27 PM »
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  • Fathers (SSPX): Rivero (Arg), Jiménez (Spa) , Mendes (Braz), Roldan (Arg), Mota (Mex), Rodríguez (Mex) and Baquerizo (USA)



    Fr Mouroux SSPX and the President of Una Voce Cuba


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    « Reply #2 on: August 24, 2014, 07:47:17 AM »
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  • UNA VOCE REPLY (GOOGLE TRANSLATION)

    Thursday, August 21, 2014

    Official Statement


    From the last few days, we have watched with singular sadness, siege spanks against the SSPX, by anonymous individuals, that are recognized as members of the so-called resistance. The medium used has been the fantastic devaluation of Una Voce Cuba, which if it was an Achilles' heel for the SSPX, and she was udged who as a Traditional liberal entity for their websites: "Non Possumus" and "SyllabuS Errorum".

    Although this event is part of the systematic war that these "entities" have declared to the SSPX. We in justice and charity, and as we fell involved, in that we concern, we want to respond in defense of the SSPX.

    What constitutes this attack? Simple ... on a misrepresentation, on the ignorance about the basic of the peculiarities of our ministry on the island, and we will not give details and explain to anyone who does not interested in or does not have authority. But anyway ... for ordinary readers ... Everything is a matter of movies! Plot of cօռspιʀαcιҽs, covert actions, joint partnership, firm concordats of egreements, etc. ... all from A Voce Cuba and the SSPX. My God!
    Una Voce Cuba and the SSPX are two very different institutions of the Catholic Church by its nature, charisma, history and purposes: one for faithfull and teh other for priests. What unites us? An identical love Work of Tradition. Also worth remembering that in the past we twinned history and present continues to do in the fight for the protection and preservation of the traditional Mass. Michael Davies, great ideologist and president of A Voce International has been the most ardent supporter of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the SSPX, in his well-known and immortal work.:

    • Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre, vol. I - 476pp, Angelus Press
    • Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre, vol. II - 393pp, Angelus Press
    • Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre, vol. III - 474pp, Angelus Press

    Then, just to mention another example, teh Una Voce buildings in Rome, Italy served many times Mons. Lefebvre and Coetus
    Internationalis Patrum for meetings ... Being old man Archbishop Econe received with great demonstrations of affection to
    delegation of pilgrims from Una Voce France ... And countless examples we could mention ...

    Your server, as President of Una Voce Cuba and Director of the Una Voce Informa, and the entire Coetus fidelium Una Voce Cuba, feel a very great admiration and great love for the praiseworthy SSPX, their bishops, superiors, priests, religious, religious, seminarians and faithful. It si not a secret! Is this perhaps sin? Is there any reason for scandal? Can someone judge the deserved admiration or the love? Suddenly, we never imagined that our affection for the SSPX were to annoy someone.

    Please excuse us in the so-called resistance are offended by this sincere devotion personal and group, and from demonstrations that have been put out all kinds of conjectures. And I particularly clarified the issue that apparently most concerned about it: SSPX does not raise funds for Una Voce Cuba. If there was some mention about it, it is a mistake or misunderstood. Certainly needed to channel a donation from a bank account in Mexico to Cuba, and therefore Una Voce request help to Fr P. Mouroux, but this help never verified. The text referring to it ventually unusable, went through carelessness or negligence on our part to the pages of the Journal, in view of another future. The evidence supposedly claiming to justify the charge against the SSPX to engage in fundraising for Una Voce Cuba is totally illusory.

    By request of the SSPX faithful Cubans visit the island, and this Una Voce
    Cuba sees with good eyes and expresses his gratitude Magazine. How not? Do not faithful Cubans are entitled to receive spiritual relief good and holy priests? Is not a good work we have to sustain and maintain? As for the other questions coming, we have to answer to the aforementioned resistance on the particulars of the Society of the Catholic tradition in Cuba, with its particular and unique characteristics, unique in the world.

    Please easure yuor words and the caliber of your allegations in its publications ... and the case of Cuba as Christianity suffered as martyrs. You may unwittingly unleash the inner serious consequences for us. Dedicate your battle to evangelize, to save souls, to give glory to God, not to take other people's lives ... defamation and calumny are serious lack of charity. Let's be prudent and consistent with the faith we say we have! What they are doing is wrong. Just move them to the SSPX rancor. Furthermore Una Voce Cuba is not liberal, not judge people who do not know, please.

    With the usual affection for all and the promise of our prayers,

    Luis Candelario Javier Dieguez.
    President of Una Voce Cuba.

    Yassier Masuet J. Candelario
    Secretary of Una Voce Cuba.

    http://www.unavoceinforma.com/2014/08/comunicado-oficial.html

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    « Reply #3 on: August 24, 2014, 05:01:07 PM »
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  • For those of us who have only heard of Una Voce as an organization Michael Davies once headed, can you explain the significance of an affiliation between the SSPX and Una Voce?  It does not appear that you see this as favorable.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 24, 2014, 05:20:28 PM »
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  • About Una Voce
    A Role of Service to the Church

    “The International Una Voce Federation has played an important role in supporting the use of the 1962 edition of the Roman Missal in obedience to the directives of the Holy See. For this valuable service I express my gratitude to the members of the Federation and extend my blessing.”

    Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, speaking to the Una Voce Federation, 25 July 1996

    Una Voce (from the Preface of the Most Holy Trinity – with one voice) is an international federation of associations, founded in 1966 in Rome, that now includes national associations in 17 nations on every continent. It is dedicated to ensuring that the Roman Mass codified by St. Pius V is maintained as one of the forms of eucharistic worship which are honored in universal liturgical life, and to restoring the use of Latin, Gregorian Chant, and sacred polyphony in Catholic liturgy. The Una Voce International website provides information about officers and national associations: www.ifuv.org

    Members believe that use of Latin in the Mass and Sacraments is a unifying force, needed by the Church in these days of widespread controversy. They believe that using the rites which were the form of Catholic worship for over 1,500 years will preserve the traditional emphasis on the Mass as Sacrifice, with its central teaching of transubstantiation, This, in turn, will help reverse the decline in vocations as altar boys, charged with difficult and meaningful duties, will be imbued from an early age with a sense of the sacred. We Catholics possess a living heritage. We owe a duty to our posterity to transmit it in its fullness, and as a living tradition. This is not only the feeling of Una Voce, it is the teaching of all the postconciliar Popes.

    This web page is designed to communicate information regarding and related to Una Voce’s mission of service to the Church.

    A discussion of liturgical and spiritual life will often touch upon theological, historical, aesthetic, ecclesiological, or social influence and factors in the life of the Church. As such, it is often beneficial to provide a range of thought, all within the limits of orthodox doctrine and practice, to give a broader view of the issues of importance to this organization.

    Opinions presented on this Web page do not necessarily represent the position of Una Voce leadership or members. Additionally, links are provided for the information purposes and Una Voce does not necessarily endorse all of the the content of Web pages linked to unavoce.org

    Una Voce’s mission is to support only the celebration of the Tridentine/Gregorian Rite Mass within the Church, in union with the Holy See and the Bishops united with the Supreme Pontiff of the Church as encouraged through the 2007 Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм, and the 2011 clarifying docuмent Universae Ecclesiae.

    The mission of Una Voce is, and has been since its founding in 1964, the promotion and support of the traditional Latin Mass within the Church, in union with Rome.

    Any writings presented on this Web page are believed to be fully orthodox and in perfect compliance with the teaching magisterium of the Church. We accept that the 1969 Novus Ordo of Pope Paul VI is a valid rite of Mass. We accept that the Second Vatican Council was a valid Ecuмenical Council of the Church and we hold that its teachings are to be given the appropriate respect in relation to authority of its decrees.

    In those cases where criticism of reformable policies or pastoral decisions of the Church is warranted, we offer opinions as permitted to the faithful in accordance with Canon 212 paragraph 3 of the Code of Canon Law.

    We trust that those who read the materials presented on this Web page will draw from it a deeper respect for the Latin liturgical tradition of the Church, and gain encouragement and strength for their own spiritual growth.

    We welcome corrections or updates to any information presented herein and we hope that readers will find these resource of value and benefit.


    http://unavoce.org/about/


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    « Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 03:48:25 PM »
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  • Patnership Rorate Caeli- SSPX?

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)

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    « Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 04:01:22 PM »
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  • Thank you, untitled, this does indeed explain why there is concern with a Una Voce--SSPX connection, though it seems to me inevitable that something like this would come about with any organization devoted to anti-sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 04:04:53 PM »
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  • From the Catholic Identity Conference 2014

    Speaker—James Vogel,
    Editor of The Angelus
    “A Cause for Hope: The Experiment of
    Tradition Around the World”


    I wonder what the "Cause for hope: The Experiment of Tradition Around the World" will be about? Perhaps an announcement of a "reintegration"?

    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 07:01:20 PM »
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  • Priests of the Society have always been in communication with other priests in their locality. Only the laity were not supposed to fraternise! To me this indicated some looseness or flexibility in the thinking of some Society priests and what was more important to them was the maintenance of traditional liturgy and practice and not the legitimacy of their counterparts after the Council.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 07:51:18 PM »
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  • AN ADULTERESS MIXTURE..


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    « Reply #10 on: August 28, 2014, 11:48:42 AM »
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  • And it get better!!!

    Go to the link for video.

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/08/sspx-priest-celebrates-mass-in-saint.html

     SSPX Priest Celebrates Mass in Saint Peter's Basilica

    By the gracious permission of the higher direction of the Papal Basilica of Saint Peter in the Vatican, the faithful of the church of Saint-Martin-des-Gaules, Noisy-le-Grand (Île-de-France) -- who were in Rome for a summer vacation pilgrimage led by Father Michel de Sivry, of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) -- were able to attend a mass at the Altar of Saint Pius X, where the saintly Pope's body reposes.

    The Mass in the Vatican Basilica was celebrated on August 9, 2014, during this special centennial year of the dies natalis of Saint Pius X.

    Video below:



    [Image and video from the page of the French district of the SSPX.]
    Labels: SSPX under Pope Francis
    Posted by New Catholic at 8/28/2014 04:41:00 PM

    I don't care what they say or do not say, the "deal" is done!!!Do not wait for the announcement, it may never come.
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    « Reply #11 on: August 28, 2014, 12:28:10 PM »
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  • was it impromtu, altar servers? notice only mantilla in photo? :surprised:

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    « Reply #12 on: August 28, 2014, 02:21:13 PM »
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  • The celebrant uses a modernist ornament (is not not a gothic raditional ornament) and not uses the maniple.
    There is no altar cards on the altar.
    Acolytes are dressed informally and do not touch the bell.
    No stock burse of the corporal nor tray of communion (the pall is used in place of this).
    The Mass of the Virgin must be celebrated with white ornaments, but these are red.
    Many women have no veil.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 22, 2014, 02:07:39 PM »
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  • Then Cardinal Ratzinger had this to say upon being informed of Davies' death:

    Message from Cardinal Ratzinger

    The FIUV seems to have been close to Archbishop Lefebvre:

    Interview granted by Archibishop Lefebvre to FIUV

    The links between FIUV and SSPX seem a legacy of the past relationship between Archbishop Lefebvre and Una Voce.
    "Recent reforms have amply demonstrated that fresh changes in the liturgy could lead to nothing but complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful" Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani

    "Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop

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    « Reply #14 on: September 23, 2014, 12:21:12 AM »
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  • +AMDG+

    Our own experience with Una Voce in NJ/NYC area is that they outwardly are adamantly against the SSPX and will advise everyone against attending any of their masses or having any involvement with them.  That being said, they would look at the SSPX longingly as the faithful ones who preserve Tradition.  They are more a political group geared to serving the FSSP priests and NO Latin-liturgy-loving priests and trying to place them in various parishes.  They are NOT representative of the "faithful" they claim to serve.  They maneuver and lobby just like any political group using the "faithful" as a statistic so that they would be taken seriously in Rome.  Their concern for the Mass goes hand in hand with their concern for pursuing their personal status as THE BEARERS OF TRADITION TO THE WORLD.  They calculate everything they do in light of how it will be perceived by the local Bishop or by Rome.

    When we started petitioning for the Indult Mass about 14 years ago, we started out as a group of parishioners simply petitioning the Bishop.  Then UV heard of the petition and came in and took over and made it an UV petition to the Diocese.  They did not do any of the groundwork - gathering signatures, preparing the Church, coordinating with priests, setting up the choir, helping families petition for sacraments, etc. Yet when the first TLM was said they took all the credit for it's success, claiming it to be an UV coordinated achievement.  Ask anyone from the parish and they will say "Una who?", yet in many Trad publications, interviews, internet announcements, you would think otherwise.

    As for Rorate Coeli - my understanding is that they are part of the unofficial FSSP press corp.

    Pax Christi!