Author Topic: papal bull of excommunication??? (Read 4761 times)

Mama ChaCha · « **on:** September 30, 2013, 09:46:12 AM »

I'm looking for it, but I can't find it.
When was sspx officially excommunicated and on what grounds?
The reason I ask is because from what I understand, nothing was done that warranted excommunication. (Maybe I'm missing it??)
I cannot find any docuмentation that officially puts sspx no longer in communion with Rome. I can find a suspension for 1988, which was to last until 1989, but nothing else.

The only reference to schism is a comment made by JPII calling the consecration if bishops a scismatic act, so I went to see if it was true, but it is not true. It is an offense, but not one that calls for excommunication.

So I ask...was SSPX ever NOT incommunion???

I'm looking for actual declarations of excommunication.
Thanks!

Histrionics · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2013, 09:52:06 AM »

Ecclesia Dei adflicta. The docuмent states that that the excommunication was a result of the act itself, latae sententiae.

Mama ChaCha · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2013, 01:00:23 PM »

This helped a little to understand the Vatican's perspective.
However, it does not explain why the suspension was not given, since that us what is codified by canon law. God forgive me if I am incorrect, but it looks to me as though the holy see quite overstepped its boundaries.
I do not understand how it could be said to be an act of schism if the appropriate penance for this specific act has already been addressed.

I am concerned about enjoining myself to any movement that is truly in schism, but for my life, I cannot find any ill intention on the part of Archbp Lefebvre. He is very clear that he did what he did to secure tradition. I may be wrong, but it is my belief that Archbp Lefebvre did nothing schismatic and is not at fault, and the Holy See needs to admit that.

Frances · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2013, 04:20:54 PM »

Excommunication is applicable only to individual people, not to religious orders, foundations, or organisations.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2013, 04:29:55 PM »

There are five thousand bishops in the conciliar world and the novus ordites didn't want Archbishop LeFebrvre to consecrate one (1)?

Other than the planned destruction of the remnants of the Pre-Vatican II Catholic Church, I can't think of any other reason.