Author Topic: Padre Pfeiffer Expulsion (Read 7964 times)

Pablo · « **on:** September 02, 2012, 06:25:26 PM »

Padre Pfeiffer has been given his second expulsion notice.

No.

I will not post the Docuмent.

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sspxbvm · « **Reply #1 on:** September 02, 2012, 06:33:18 PM »

We don't need to see a docuмent.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 02, 2012, 09:09:11 PM »

Quote from: Pablo

Padre Pfeiffer has been given his second expulsion notice.

No.

I will not post the Docuмent.

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He has our prayers and support, more than ever.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** September 02, 2012, 11:27:31 PM »

Dear Fr. Pfeiffer,

If Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre were still alive, he would have received his second
notice by now, too. You would be in good company.

In the meantime, I do hope that family and friends can be of some consolation for
you. Our prayers at Mass and in our daily Rosary include you and your needs. May
God grant you the sufficient grace to sustain you through this time of trial.

Remember Fr. Hannifin. We are grateful for his providence in helping you and your
brother through seminary. Deo Gracias. You carry his legacy.

John Grace · « **Reply #4 on:** September 03, 2012, 06:38:03 AM »

GertrudetheGreat · « **Reply #5 on:** September 03, 2012, 07:48:43 AM »

I think there's a misunderstanding. Fr. Pfeiffer left the SSPX by opening a new priory with Fr. Chazal. The formal process recognising this by the Fraternity will work through the usual process of "expulsion" but this is a classic case as envisioned in Canon Law of "apostasy from religion" (which does not mean apostasy from the faith - it means a religious leaves his monastery with no intention of returning). The law treats this as a tacit resignation from the religious institute and provides for a declaratory notice recognising the fact.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** September 03, 2012, 08:08:22 AM »

Quote from: GertrudetheGreat

I think there's a misunderstanding. Fr. Pfeiffer left the SSPX by opening a new priory with Fr. Chazal. The formal process recognising this by the Fraternity will work through the usual process of "expulsion" but this is a classic case as envisioned in Canon Law of "apostasy from religion" (which does not mean apostasy from the faith - it means a religious leaves his monastery with no intention of returning). The law treats this as a tacit resignation from the religious institute and provides for a declaratory notice recognising the fact.

The SSPX has no such standing as an ecclesiastical body. People who say it does have a cult mentality - the sort of intellectual dishonesty that can brush over Bishop Fellay saying Vatican II could be part of the great tradition of the Church. There are absolutely no Canon Law principles involved in Bishop Fellay's odious tyrannizing. Just as there are no theological principles involved in his planned sellout. One day Bishop Fellay says Vatican II is part of the great tradition of the Church - disagree with that - and he'll throw you out if you don't shut up about it.

There's absolutely no legitimacy of any kind in Bishop Fellay's behavior.

GertrudetheGreat · « **Reply #7 on:** September 03, 2012, 09:05:31 AM »

Tele,

Thanks for your boisterous assertions. All in good fun, I'm sure.

Now, the point, which you ignored, is that these two priests have of their own volition left the SSPX already, and at some point this will be recognised legally. Don't suggest that they are being "expelled" when that happens, and try to paint them as victims. They're grown-ups, making their own judgements and decisions; let's not patronise them by pretending that they're schoolgirls who don't understand what's happening.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 03, 2012, 09:48:30 AM »

Quote from: GertrudetheGreat

I think there's a misunderstanding. Fr. Pfeiffer left the SSPX by opening a new priory with Fr. Chazal. The formal process recognising this by the Fraternity will work through the usual process of "expulsion" but this is a classic case as envisioned in Canon Law of "apostasy from religion" (which does not mean apostasy from the faith - it means a religious leaves his monastery with no intention of returning). The law treats this as a tacit resignation from the religious institute and provides for a declaratory notice recognising the fact.

There is no misunderstanding.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2012, 09:57:30 AM »

Quote from: GertrudetheGreat

Tele,

Thanks for your boisterous assertions. All in good fun, I'm sure.

Now, the point, which you ignored, is that these two priests have of their own volition left the SSPX already, and at some point this will be recognised legally. Don't suggest that they are being "expelled" when that happens, and try to paint them as victims. They're grown-ups, making their own judgements and decisions; let's not patronise them by pretending that they're schoolgirls who don't understand what's happening.

The difference is that their message is what the SSPX has always preached. It is the SSPX leadership that has changed its tune.

stgobnait · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2012, 10:02:30 AM »

and their marching band!

GertrudetheGreat · « **Reply #11 on:** September 03, 2012, 10:12:07 AM »

Quote from: Ecclesia Militans

The difference is that their message is what the SSPX has always preached. It is the SSPX leadership that has changed its tune.

You can assert that 'til the cows come home, but the evident reality is that Fr. Girouard preached what the Archbishop preached, and was not censured. The difference is that he gave his view, but did not attack persons.

No member of an organisation can attack the leadership publicly without sanction, without that organisation dissolving. Our Lord laid down the principle - a house divided against itself cannot stand.

JPaul · « **Reply #12 on:** September 03, 2012, 11:33:53 AM »

Quote from: GertrudetheGreat

I think there's a misunderstanding. Fr. Pfeiffer left the SSPX by opening a new priory with Fr. Chazal. The formal process recognising this by the Fraternity will work through the usual process of "expulsion" but this is a classic case as envisioned in Canon Law of "apostasy from religion" (which does not mean apostasy from the faith - it means a religious leaves his monastery with no intention of returning). The law treats this as a tacit resignation from the religious institute and provides for a declaratory notice recognising the fact.

This is an entirely inaccurate interpretation of the facts.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #13 on:** September 03, 2012, 11:35:31 AM »

Quote from: GertrudetheGreat

Quote from: Ecclesia Militans
The difference is that their message is what the SSPX has always preached. It is the SSPX leadership that has changed its tune.

You can assert that 'til the cows come home, but the evident reality is that Fr. Girouard preached what the Archbishop preached, and was not censured. The difference is that he gave his view, but did not attack persons.

No member of an organisation can attack the leadership publicly without sanction, without that organisation dissolving. Our Lord laid down the principle - a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Mandatory Condition #1 of the SSPX 2012 General Chapter:

"Freedom to keep, to transmit and to teach the sane doctrine of the unchanging magisterium of the Church and of the unchangeable truth of Divine Tradition ; freedom to defend, to correct and to reprove, even in public, those responsible for the errors or novelties of modernism, of liberalism, of The Second Vatican Council and their consequences.

I am in no way stating here that the SSPX leadership has adopted doctrinal errors; however, the statement itself allows for correction and reproval of those responsible for deviations, even if they be those in authority.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #14 on:** September 03, 2012, 11:37:54 AM »

Quote from: GertrudetheGreat

No member of an organisation can attack the leadership publicly without sanction, without that organisation dissolving.

This is not necessarily true. Many organizations have changed leadership this way without the organization changing itself.