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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2024, 08:59:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: RacerX on October 25, 2024, 08:56:16 AM
    The religious orders are part of the diocese they belong to, and they are under the local bishop. The bishop invites them to his diocese, and they become part of it.  Even though they are not, strictly speaking, "diocesan chapels," they are part of th diocese in which they reside because they were lawfully established therein and remain in legal union with it.…

    That is not correct. Only some chapels are under the local ordinary. That is not new.

    Quote from: RacerX on October 24, 2024, 09:03:01 PM

    … as well as those who publicly adhere to a "chapel" that is not part of their diocese, are exommunicated, …

    Again highlighting your deceit.

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #61 on: October 25, 2024, 09:10:24 AM »
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    • I think Bishop Tissier always believed he was being completely faithful to Archbishop Lefebvre and to Tradition and acted accordingly. We wouldn't have had Summorum Pontificuм in 2007 without Archbishop Lefebvre and the 4 bishops of the SSPX asking for it. Now, 5 years later in 2012, Bishop Tissier and the SSPX bishops (and maybe 90-95% of its priests) believed the situation post SP had changed sufficiently that now an "as is" regularization was possible. Thus, Bishop Tissier remained in the SSPX. Wonder if the SSPX will consecrate more bishops soon.
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #62 on: October 25, 2024, 09:15:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: RacerX on October 25, 2024, 09:02:26 AM

    They are all lawfully established in the diocese, with the approval of the bishop, and they are all legally recognized as such.  That isn't the case with any Trad "chapel."


    Again highlighting your ignorance of Catholicism.



    The more you post, the more you slither.

    First you slithered away from "diocese" to hide in "non-Catholic."

    Now you slither away from under the authority of the local bishop to hide in "in the diocese."

    Of course such religious order chapels are physically "in" the diocesan boundaries.  It is typical, but has not been required, that chapels of religious orders be "under" [the authority] of the local bishop. Such chapels are "under" the authority of their religious order superiors.

    You are a snake. Slither away from us.
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #63 on: October 25, 2024, 09:20:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: RacerX on October 25, 2024, 09:14:04 AM
    How do you know what is in the deposit? 

    That is the role of the Magistrium.  The Magisterium teaches and defines what it in that deposit, and therefore is known as the proximate rule of faith when she teaches definitively.

    The Deposit was handed down in two ways: the Scripture and Traditiom. The Protestant said the Scripture (their private interpreation of it) was the only rule of faith, thereby bypassing the Magisterium.

    You are doing the same.  The difference with most so-called Traditional Catholic is that, instead of appealing to the bible to justify their belief with respect to the Deposit, they appeal to Tradition, the other font of the Deposit.

    It is exatly the same error: Private judgment of what constitutes the Deposit of Faith: Protestants claim to adhere to the Bible alone, while rejecting the divinely establishd and infallible interpreter, while Trads appeal to "Tradition," while rejecting its divinely established and infallible interpreter.

    You slither again.

    Jesus taught nothing in secret (John 18:20), therefore the Deposit of Faith is knowable and known. The knowledge of the Deposit of Faith requires no "judgment," public or private.

    I don't have to be a Pope to know the Deposit of Faith.

    Only a smear-meister snake conflates knowledge and judgment.

    Is there anything you won't do or say to have us assent to your deceits?

    It is YOU who sit in judgement. YOU, hypocrite, have no competence or jurisdiction to judge who is schismatic.
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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #64 on: October 25, 2024, 10:01:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: RacerX on October 25, 2024, 09:52:24 AM
    They aren't just "in" the diocese, they are part of the diocese.  They are lawfully erected in the diocese by the lawfully constituted head (the bishop) and they remain legally part of it.  Even Protestants are "in" a diocese, but, like the illicitly established Trad "chapels," they are not part of it.  Like Trad "chapels," they are non-Catholic sects; or, as the Bible calls them, "sects of perdition."

    And yet even pope Francis does not believe that the SSPX, for example, is a non-Catholic sect, even though SSPX chapels are not a part of any diocese. 
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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #65 on: October 25, 2024, 10:09:37 AM »
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    • :fryingpan: Another thread derailed by the n.o., r&r, sede arguments. 
    I thought this was supposed to be about Fr. Chazal’s take on Bp. Tissier.
    May H.E.’s soul RIP.  
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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #66 on: October 25, 2024, 10:15:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: RacerX on October 25, 2024, 10:12:55 AM
    Pope Francis knows full well that the SSPX chapels are non-Catholic sects.  It is an objective fact.  Were the chapels of the SSPX legitimately established?  No.  Are they recognized by any bishop as having been lawfully estabished in his diocese, and are they curently recognized as being a legal part of it?  No.  The only diocese in which the SSPX was lawfully established in Fribourg, but their legal status in that diocese came to an end in 1975.

    The reason for the on again and off again agreement with Rome is precisely to establish the Soceity as part of the Catholic Church, which is currently is not, and which it admits that it is not, since it calls the Roman Catholic Church the "Conciliar Church" and readily admits that it is not part of the latter.

    The SSPX itself will be the first to admit that it is not part of the Conciliar Church, which is the Church consisting of the local Church of Rome and the diocese throughout the world in union with it.

    Please cite where any pope has said that the SSPX is non-Catholic, or even that sedevacantists are non-Catholic. It is your own private judgment that we are non-Catholic. No pope has ever said so. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #67 on: October 25, 2024, 10:29:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: RacerX on October 24, 2024, 09:03:01 PM
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    Of ourse I do.  All Freemasons, as well as those who publicly adhere to a "chapel" that is not part of their diocese, are exommunicated, provided the excommunication for Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is still in force (which I don't believe is the case). But if it is, I affirm it.

    Do you affirm that all schismatics, even if they don't think they are schismatics, incur ipso facto excommunication?
    Your answer is evasive and resembles the response of one either aligned with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ or acting in bad faith. Authentic Catholics unequivocally reject Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ without hesitation, understanding its Luciferian roots and its absolute incompatibility with the Faith. Those unwilling to recognize this should not be permitted to spread error or to risk undermining others here.

    As for the Church, the conciliar entity post-Vatican II is not the true Catholic Church but the prophesied end-times counterfeit—a “counter-church” foretold by Our Lady at La Salette. The infiltration of heresy did not begin recently but has been present since the Crucifixion, gradually producing heretical branches such as the Arians, Donatists, “Orthodox,” Protestants, and ultimately, the Novus Ordo and its modern-day variants (“indulters”), including the conciliar SSPX.

    The true Catholic Church—the Church of Tradition—continues through the remnant that remains faithful to what +Archbishop Lefebvre preserved until his death. This remnant upholds the unwavering teachings of the Faith, rejecting modernism’s errors. However, your stance aligns with the 2012 doctrinal compromise of Bishop Fellay, which has tragically transformed today’s SSPX into a counterfeit under the influence of the Novus Ordo, severed from the Mystical Body of Christ.


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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #68 on: October 25, 2024, 10:35:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: RacerX on October 25, 2024, 09:45:57 AM
    Then explain how you know it.…

    (Not that I expect you to give a straight answer.)

    Catholic grammar school and high school pre-Vatican 2: 12 years
    Catholic university and professional school post-Vatican 2: 8 years
    and a lifetime of Catholic sermons, seminars, and reading.

    Your turn. Where did you get your Zionist training?
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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #69 on: October 25, 2024, 10:37:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: M1913 on October 25, 2024, 10:29:19 AM
    Your answer is evasive and resembles the response of one either aligned with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ or acting in bad faith.
    His answers are from the conservative branch of the NO, which is why they all resemble the response of one either aligned with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ or acting in bad faith.
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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #70 on: October 25, 2024, 10:45:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: RacerX on October 25, 2024, 09:52:24 AM
    They aren't just "in" the diocese, they are part of the diocese.  They are lawfully erected in the diocese by the lawfully constituted head (the bishop) and they remain legally part of it.  Even Protestants are "in" a diocese, but, like the illicitly established Trad "chapels," they are not part of it.  Like Trad "chapels," they are non-Catholic sects; or, as the Bible calls them, "sects of perdition."

    Most are under the authority of the local ordinary, but it has never been a necessary requirement.

    There have always been exceptions, usually for religious orders.

    Even in your fucking Novus Ordo there are "personal prelatures" that are not under the authority of the local ordinary.

    Apparently you are unfamiliar with Opus [Ju]Dei, a personal prelature that is often antagonistic to the local ordinary.

    Snake, so much for your pose of knowledge.
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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #71 on: October 25, 2024, 10:48:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: RacerX on October 25, 2024, 10:04:14 AM
    You've become a Protestant and you don't even know it.  Like your fellow Protestants, you are your own magisterium and your own pope, and you think the true Church subsists in hundreds of illicit established heretical sects. You have embraced the heretical and ecuмenical Protestant notion of the Church as susisting in a multiplicity of denomination, which lack any semblance of a unity of government, which happens to every heretic who leaves the Roman Catholic Church.

    You are a prime example of where the errors and heresies of the so-called Traditional movement lead.

    Now you add outright lies to your slithering.

    Quote verbatim what I have stated that is "Protestant."

    Quote verbatim where I have stated that "the true Church subsists in hundreds of illicit established heretical sects."

    You cannot. You are a liar.
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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #72 on: October 25, 2024, 10:51:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on October 25, 2024, 10:15:17 AM
    Please cite where any pope has said that the SSPX is non-Catholic, or even that sedevacantists are non-Catholic. It is your own private judgment that we are non-Catholic. No pope has ever said so.

    Agreed.

    In fact, in his lifting of the excommunications of the SSPX bishops, Ratzinger himself stated that the SSPX is not schismatic, only that there was "danger" of schism.
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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #73 on: October 25, 2024, 10:52:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on October 25, 2024, 10:37:23 AM
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    His answers are from the conservative branch of the NO, which is why they all resemble the response of one either aligned with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ or acting in bad faith.
    If Rabbi RacerX were of good will, his position would likely and naturally align with the 2012 doctrinal declaration of Bishop Fellay and the Neo-SSPX. Although gravely mistaken, one could attribute this stance to ignorance—a misguided attempt to justify Bishop Fellay’s compromise and the Neo-SSPX’s new position. That could be sorted out over a conversation, however misguided.

    But you, RacerX, show a stubbornness and depth of misunderstanding that places you even further removed from Catholic tradition. Stubborn rightly identified the type: either a Freemason or a dogmatic “Novus Ordo Conservative.” In reality, you embody the latter, a byproduct of the Alta Vendita blueprint—a Freemason in spirit, though perhaps not formally pledged in a blue lodge, but loyal to the Novus Ordo temples. This position, poisoned by modernist influence, is inherently anti-Catholic and reveals the true infiltration and intentions of the enemies of the Church.


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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #74 on: October 25, 2024, 10:55:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: RacerX on October 25, 2024, 10:26:47 AM
    The pope doesn't have to say the SSPX or sed chapels, or the Protestant chapels, are non-Catholic sects, because it is an objective fact.  …

    Snake and hypocrite.

    You have accused me of "private judgment" for simply knowing the Faith  and here you are making a private judgment upon milions of souls claiming it is "objective fact"… yet bereft of any source with jurisdiction. In fact, as I have noted above, Ratzinger himself explicitly contradicted you.
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