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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2024, 12:18:21 PM »
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  • How can it be that he was not evil, when he was giving a death sentence to a man he knew for certain that was innocent? He was literally sending people to death to save his job.

    You are probably right. I was trying to see the situation from Fr. Chazal's POV; that is, if I'm understanding his POV properly. I may not be.

    I do have some sympathy with Pilate and his situation. That might be a wrong attitude though. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #16 on: October 24, 2024, 12:50:31 PM »
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  • You are probably right. I was trying to see the situation from Fr. Chazal's POV; that is, if I'm understanding his POV properly. I may not be.

    I do have some sympathy with Pilate and his situation. That might be a wrong attitude though.

    He was certainly not as bad as the Jews, and some sources say that he later converted.

    All the same, "washing our hands" is a sin that a lot of us have commited. It is a great temptation to walk away and pretend that only others are to blame for evils that are actually caused by our omissions. We all have a little of Pilate.


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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #17 on: October 24, 2024, 01:07:28 PM »
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  • The Church has been occupied for far more than 60 years.  And it's not dificult to know where the Church is, since the Church today is the same indefectible organization that it was when it was infiltrated by Modernists before Vatican II.  "The gates of hell shall not prevail," means heretics will not destroy the Church, from within or from withou.  If you say that has happened, you are denying our Lord's promise.  If you accept what Christ Promised, you will now, without any question, where the Church can be found.

    Good for you, because if its not the true Church now, it wasn't the true Church then (before Vatican II), because the true Church is indefectible.

    All the dogmas are still on the books and no false dogmas have been defined.  The Faith remains the same.

    The Church today is a mixed bag, just like it was before the Council, but there's more bad in the hierarchy.  If you focus on all the bad within the Church as a whole will seem far worse than it actually is. And that is a huge part of the problem.
    The answer is to hold fast to Tradition, including Traditional doctrine.  And if you hold fast to traditional doctrine you will know, without question, where the Church is and where it is not.

    There is only one Church, not two - "I believe in the ONE, holy, catholic and apostolic Church;" and that one Church is the visible organization - the visible Church - which contains within it both wheat and tares. 

    If there were two Churches in one body, those who separated from the visible organiation would not belong to either of the two, because the "one body" IS the visible Church or visible organization.  The body of the Church consist in, amoung other things, the Churches exernal rule and government, as Pope Pius X explains in his catechism:


    So, if there are "two Church," the true one exists within the Body, not outside of it.  But there aren't two Churches; there is only one Church, and it is the one visible Church that has existed since the time of the Apostles - "I believ in the ond, holy, Catholi and Apostolic Church," to which Pope Pius XII adds "Roman":

    I take it that you adhere to the Bp. Schneider opinion as to how to define the Crisis in the Church. I adhere to the views +of ABL. You may feel it's safer to adhere to +Schneider's opinion, but most here do not. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #18 on: October 24, 2024, 01:14:46 PM »
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  • Not at all.  He recently said "we need to rethink what it means to say the Church is indefectible."  And rethink it he did!  He said indefectibility means there will always be a true remnant who are united to the hear of Jesus  It would be difficult to find a Protestant who disagrees, and it would be more difficult - actually, impossible - to find an informed Catholic who does agree because that is a completly heretical explanation of indefectibility. So, no, I do not share Bp. Schnieder's opinion on the crisis in the Church. 

    Who do you share an opinion with, then? With Nishant Xavier? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #19 on: October 24, 2024, 01:58:38 PM »
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  • One example of what the conciliar church did away with...Note that this video was filmed in San Francisco.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #20 on: October 24, 2024, 02:06:37 PM »
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  • One example of what the conciliar church did away with...Note that this video was filmed in San Francisco.

    Sure, but apart from the numbers (which looked good), something was rotten.  Vatican II didn't just come out of nowhere.  This proves once more that the outward appearances don't matter, the external actions don't matter ... as much as THE FAITH.  People's minds were thoroughly corrupted with Modernism by then.  From that crowd of, let's say it was, 300,000 ... how many actually believed that only Catholics can be saved?  You could probably count them on one hand.  So while they're praying their Rosaries, for them it's just a different expression, where some Buddhist on his "prayer beads" was also on the right path.

    We're seeing the same thing with neo-SSPX.  Sure, their chapels are filled with lots of Catholics praying devoutly, living virtuous lives even ... but then how many of them are infected with the new Modernist ideas of the neo-SSPX and are having their faith rotted away gradually from with in.  I would liken it to a beautiful mansion of a home which is breathtaking ... but if you scratch beneath the surface, the insides are rotten with termite damage.

    Just like probably 90% of the crowd depicted into that video very shortly became flaming Communist hippies, Modernists, charismatics, heretics (or just left the Church and stopped practicing) within just a few years of that, so too within a short time many of the SSPX will get sucked right back into Conciliarism when Bergoglio makes one of his next moves.

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #21 on: October 24, 2024, 02:27:11 PM »
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  • Sure, but apart from the numbers (which looked good), something was rotten.  Vatican II didn't just come out of nowhere.  This proves once more that the outward appearances don't matter, the external actions don't matter ... as much as THE FAITH.  People's minds were thoroughly corrupted with Modernism by then.  From that crowd of, let's say it was, 300,000 ... how many actually believed that only Catholics can be saved?  You could probably count them on one hand.  So while they're praying their Rosaries, for them it's just a different expression, where some Buddhist on his "prayer beads" was also on the right path.

    We're seeing the same thing with neo-SSPX.  Sure, their chapels are filled with lots of Catholics praying devoutly, living virtuous lives even ... but then how many of them are infected with the new Modernist ideas of the neo-SSPX and are having their faith rotted away gradually from with in.  I would liken it to a beautiful mansion of a home which is breathtaking ... but if you scratch beneath the surface, the insides are rotten with termite damage.

    Just like probably 90% of the crowd depicted into that video very shortly became flaming Communist hippies, Modernists, charismatics, heretics (or just left the Church and stopped practicing) within just a few years of that, so too within a short time many of the SSPX will get sucked right back into Conciliarism when Bergoglio makes one of his next moves.
    Agreed, yet in those days that event was something that was not unusual, even for San Francisco - just look what that city has become today without Holy Mother the Church. 

    I've said many times that this crisis would have never gotten off the ground if the people all would have done what the pioneering trads did - but following the wolves in sheep's clothing was just so much easier.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #22 on: October 24, 2024, 02:31:45 PM »
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  • So, RacerX here is either Salza or Nishant again.  Took him a bit longer to de-cloak this time.


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    « Reply #23 on: October 24, 2024, 02:36:04 PM »
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  • So, RacerX here is either Salza or Nishant again.  Took him a bit longer to de-cloak this time.
    Yeah, I normally don't pay attention but it's hard to miss with this guy. He always wants to promote the new religion as being the true religion because, well, it has to be. :facepalm:
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #24 on: October 24, 2024, 02:55:14 PM »
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  • Just disclose, please.  The suspense is killing me.  

    Actually, I could care less.

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    « Reply #25 on: October 24, 2024, 03:27:35 PM »
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  • So, RacerX here is either Salza or Nishant again.  Took him a bit longer to de-cloak this time.

    Yeah, it took a little longer. He's realized that he has to sound somewhat reasonable, at least for a while, with his need to correct everyone here. His motives eventually become obvious. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #26 on: October 24, 2024, 05:04:16 PM »
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  • What you're implying is unreasonable is basic Catholic doctrine that can be found in any pre-Vatican II catechism.  The reason to you it might sound unreasonable is two-fold: 1) there is a gap in the knowledge of almost every so-called Traditional Catholic, and it consists of a lack of knowledge of the nature of the Catholic Church (what the Church is). 2) that gap has been filled in with 50 years worth of errors and heresies from Lefebvre and others, with the resuts that virtually every so-called Traditional Catholic now believes that the indefectible Church "morphed" into a New Church (i.e., defected), and that the "Catholic Church" now subsists in hundreds of heretical and schismatic sects, including the "chapels" (sects) of the SSPX, which are no more part of the Catholic Church than the hundres of Sedevacantist and "indepdndent" sects that split away from her. 

    It has now gotten so bad that in a sermon that the SSPX proudly posted on its website, one of their heretical priest actually said that the Society has the prerogatives of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium (i.e., infallibility and indefectibility)!  And no one batted an eye.  But that shouldn't surprise anyone, since no one batted an eye when Lefebvre professed the heresy according to which the SSPX has the four marks!  Not only is that heresy proudly posted on their website to this day, and Bishops Tisseir - always faithfu to the heresies of Lefebvre - taught the same heresy numerous times. 

    Another example of how bad it is was seen right here on cathino, when a "trad" posted Lefebvre's heretical teaching that bishops receive their jurisidcion "from the people" who "confer it on them" - not to criticize the heretical teaching, but as a way of explaining how bishops get their jurisdiction!  And no one objected to it.  BTW, Pius X explicity calls that heresy in his catechism (see #43).

    Welcome to the New Church and New Religion of Archbishop Marcell Lefebvre.

    Christ said "hear the Church;" he didn't say "hear Lefebvre." Therefore, no one will have any excuses on judgment day.

    Given that you believe that the priests of the SSPX are heretics, and that Archbishop Lefebvre was a heretic, are you willing to say whom you admire in the conciliar church? There must be someone who has a perspective that is similar to your own. I could take a few guesses, but it might be better for you say it for yourself. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
    « Reply #27 on: October 24, 2024, 05:10:07 PM »
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  • Given that you believe that the priests of the SSPX are heretics, and that Archbishop Lefebvre was a heretic, are you willing to say whom you admire in the conciliar church?

    Good question, Meg.

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    « Reply #28 on: October 24, 2024, 05:19:46 PM »
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  • What you're implying is unreasonable is basic Catholic doctrine that can be found in any pre-Vatican II catechism.  The reason to you it might sound unreasonable is two-fold: 1) there is a gap in the knowledge of almost every so-called Traditional Catholic, and it consists of a lack of knowledge of the nature of the Catholic Church (what the Church is). 2) that gap has been filled in with 50 years worth of errors and heresies from Lefebvre and others, with the resuts that virtually every so-called Traditional Catholic now believes that the indefectible Church "morphed" into a New Church (i.e., defected), and that the "Catholic Church" now subsists in hundreds of heretical and schismatic sects, including the "chapels" (sects) of the SSPX, which are no more part of the Catholic Church than the hundres of Sedevacantist and "indepdndent" sects that split away from her. 

    It has now gotten so bad that in a sermon that the SSPX proudly posted on its website, one of their heretical priest actually said that the Society has the prerogatives of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium (i.e., infallibility and indefectibility)!  And no one batted an eye.  But that shouldn't surprise anyone, since no one batted an eye when Lefebvre professed the heresy according to which the SSPX has the four marks!  Not only is that heresy proudly posted on their website to this day, and Bishops Tisseir - always faithfu to the heresies of Lefebvre - taught the same heresy numerous times. 

    Another example of how bad it is was seen right here on cathino, when a "trad" posted Lefebvre's heretical teaching that bishops receive their jurisidcion "from the people" who "confer it on them" - not to criticize the heretical teaching, but as a way of explaining how bishops get their jurisdiction!  And no one objected to it.  BTW, Pius X explicity calls that heresy in his catechism (see #43).

    Welcome to the New Church and New Religion of Archbishop Marcell Lefebvre.

    Christ said "hear the Church;" he didn't say "hear Lefebvre." Therefore, no one will have any excuses on judgment day.
    For this post alone you should be banned.
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    « Reply #29 on: October 24, 2024, 05:26:08 PM »
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  • To be honest, I don't look for people to admire, so that is not something that is on my radar.  And thinking about it just now, I can't think of anyone who stands out.

    Okay.....so do you adhere to any novelty, such as the maria divine mercy devotion, or charismaticism? Maybe medjugore? New ways ministry? TFP?

    There's some reason why you feel the need to attack the SSPX and Archbishop Lefebvre.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29