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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2024, 09:29:13 PM »
What a word salad of ambiguity!

You affirm "…if…" is no affirmation at all. It is merely window-dressing.

Quote the Magisterium that states "adhering" to a non-diocesan chapel earns any kind of excommunication.

Even before the "Vatican 2" revolution and occupation of the Church, most religious orders had chapels that were non-diocesan. Your silly declaration "excommunicated" centuries of Jesuits, Dominicans, Franciscans, Redemptorists, and other orders who had their own non-diocesan chapels.  Your foolish claim cuts a wide swath of "excommunications."
^^^ !!!

It is remarkable how so many "newbie" accounts here dogmatically promulgate errors. Happily the stench of their errors quickly earn opprobrium.

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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2024, 04:02:36 AM »
Which one of us still believes what the Church taught before Vatican II?  For example, which one of us still believes that the true Church - the "one, holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church" (Pius XII) -  is a visible, hierarchical, indefectible society with four marks, that consists of the bishops with the authority to teach, govern and sanctify - i.e., those appointed as heads of a legitimately established particular Church that is in union with local Church of Rome - and the faithful subject to them (Vehementur Nos, Pius X); and still believes that "those who are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit." (Pius XII)? 

And which one of us now believes the Catholic Church "subsists" in hundreds of sects, separated from each other at least in governent, and that to be a "true Catholic" today one must separated from the visible organization that they admit was the true Church with four marks a mere 60 years ago?

Only the land of make believe does the "Church" that subsists in hundreds of sects separated from each other in government constitute the True Catholic Church, while the visible organization that has existed since the time of the Apostles constitute a New Church.

This was explained to you in the conversation you dropped out of in the other thread.


Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2024, 06:03:32 AM »
I have to disagree with Fr. Chazal in regards to Bp. Tissier de Mallerais. I've come to regard him as more of an inward soul and his gifts were perhaps best suited in trying to stay where he was. Sure, Bp. Williamson was always the best speaker and the most approachable and his departure was thrust upon him but in the end I think you still need good people on the other side doing their best too. Hopefully he was able to make a fully conscious final offering of his life during the week he lingered. He seemed like the type to do just that. 


If that was the case, I'm sure I'm not the only one who could use the extra graces. He might not have stood up to Bp. Fellay in a public way and he might have been too soft on the Romanitas of the whole thing, but he seemed to be a very serious and austere personality and I hope it translated to his translation. Requiescat in pace.



Offline Mark 79

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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2024, 08:44:57 AM »
Pay attention to what you are reading. I never said a pope could define a novelty. What I said is when he defines a doctrine he teaches infallibly; and when he defines a doctrine he acts as the rule of faith, because the doctine he defines becomes an object of divine faith.  But I seriously doubt you will even undersand what that means.
Pay attention to what YOU are SAYING:




…the pope is the rule of faith. …



Even a true Pope is NOT "the rule of Faith."

The Deposit of Faith is the rule of Faith.… period.

If a true Pope teaches what has always and everywhere been taught, he is merely teaching the Deposit of Faith, the "ordinary Magisterium."

If a true Pope makes an ex cathedra refinement explaining what has always and everywhere been taught, he is merely expounding upon the Deposit of Faith. he is not becoming "the rule of Faith."

There are no other alternatives. By definition, anything moral or dogmatic other than Ordinary Magisterium and Extraordinary Magisterium is a novelty, hence outside the Deposit of Faith.

Read and understand Pastor Aeternus. (linked previously by me) Pay attention especially to the constraints upon even a true Pope.

Regarding Señor Jorge Bergoglio, he long ago unseated himself with his pertinacious тαℓмυdic doctrines (linked previously by me). He is therefore not a Pope, but an anti-Pope, to whom no Catholic owes obedience. Quite the contrary, practicing Catholics should pray for Jorge's speedy death in order to end his soul-killing anti-papacy.


Offline Mark 79

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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2024, 08:52:04 AM »
I just check and the excommunication of Freemasons is still on the books, even though the new code doesn't explicitly mention them. It is implicit in the Code.  So, anyone who belongs to Freemasons, or a non-Catholic "chapel," is ipso facto excommunicated by the force of law.
You said non-diocesan chapels were excommunicated. I spotlighted that falsehood.

Instead of admitting your error, now you dishonestly pretend that "non-Catholic" chapels are excommunicated.

You are a deceiver.