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Offline Meg

Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2024, 09:01:20 PM »
Quote from: RacerX on October 24, 2024, 08:38:23 PM
You are deceiving yourself if you think you are following Christ without following the pope, as Pius XII teaches

Those words of Pius XII apply to you.  But I'm sure you won't care.  After all, they were only spoken by the Pope, not by Christ, who alone you follow.

I do not follow Christ alone. You are being dishonest. I follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. Not the teachings of pope Francis. You are free to make Pope Francis your rule of faith. If the Church had always taught that the pope is the rule of faith, then the Church would be a democracy where every Pope would be able to change the teachings of the church at will, just like many of the protestants believe. 

Do you believe, as the modernists do, that truth changes?
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2024, 09:05:20 PM »
Quote from: RacerX on October 24, 2024, 08:58:09 PM

…The pope is the rule of faith because what he defines as de fide becomes an article of faith.…



Nonsense. Even a true Pope is bound to Apostolic Tradition. Nobody, not even a true Pope, can "define" any novelty as "de fide."

Your own "example" of the Immaculate Conception was no novelty. Mary's perpetual sinlessness was taught "always and everywhere." Pope Pius IX merely moved the Ordinary Magisterium of Mary's perpetual sinlessness into the realm of Extraordinary Magisterium—same teaching, merely emphasized and clarified.

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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2024, 09:13:46 PM »
Quote from: RacerX on October 24, 2024, 09:03:01 PM
Of ourse I do.  All Freemasons, as well as those who publicly adhere to a "chapel" that is not part of their diocese, are exommunicated, provided the excommunication for Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is still in force (which I don't believe is the case). But if it is, I affirm it.

Do you affirm that all schismatics, even if they don't think they are schismatics, incur ipso facto excommunication?

What a word salad of ambiguity!

You affirm "…if…" is no affirmation at all. It is merely window-dressing.

Quote the Magisterium that states "adhering" to a non-diocesan chapel earns any kind of excommunication.

Even before the "Vatican 2" revolution and occupation of the Church, most religious orders had chapels that were non-diocesan. Your silly declaration "excommunicated" centuries of Jesuits, Dominicans, Franciscans, Redemptorists, and other orders who had their own non-diocesan chapels.  Your foolish claim cuts a wide swath of "excommunications."
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Offline Meg

Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2024, 09:15:29 PM »
Quote from: RacerX on October 24, 2024, 09:10:17 PM

But the Church teaches that one must submit and obey the Pope.  Do you accept that teaching of the Church and put it into practice?
The charism of infallibility prevents the pope from erring when he defines a doctrine, ex cathedra. Since the pope only acts as the rule of faith when he defines, ex cathedra, a pope will never "change the teaching of the Church" when he acts as the rue of faith.  You see, when you know the Catholic faith, and when you understand what the terms mean (e.g., rule of faith), not only does it prevents you from falling into many errors, but it enables you to refute the specious arguments of heretics.


No, do you?  For example, do you believe that the Pope and Christ constittute one head of the Church, and that they "walk in the path of dangerous error who believe that they can accept Christ as the Head of the Church, while not adhering loyally to His Vicar on earth" (Pius XII)?


Basically, you want us to make a Modernist pope our rule of faith. No thanks.
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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2024, 09:26:45 PM »
Quote from: RacerX on October 24, 2024, 09:13:24 PM
Who said they could?  What I said is that the charism of infallibility prevents a pope from erring when he defines a doctrine.

You said it:


Quote from: RacerX on October 24, 2024, 08:58:09 PM


…the pope is the rule of faith.…



You need to read and understand and submit to Pastor Aeternus regarding the very circuмscribed sphere of papal infallibility: 
https://tinyurl.com/pwztps6k

When you make such a gross generalization, "the [P]ope is the rule of [F]aith," while failing to state the limitations on a Pope, your gross generalization becomes a gross error.

When Jorge is considered in light of the infallibly-defined limitations, he unseated himself long ago: https://archive.is/VZNJJ


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