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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2024, 09:51:35 AM »
Yeah, whoever edited the video took that one negative thing he had to say out of context and used it for the summary at the beginning of the video ... suggesting that the entire talk was a hit piece of Bishop Tissier.

I think this video should be edited so as not to make that the focal point in the introduction.
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Offline Infirmus

Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2024, 12:35:51 PM »
Quote from: Seraphina on October 21, 2024, 02:12:22 PM
Those who criticize Bp. Tissier for not supporting the resistance should keep in mind his poor health. Even ten years ago, he was cutting back on demanding activities.  In the last seven or eight years, he had to carefully ration his energies. He did still perform Confirmations, but only every four to five years, and within the US and Canada. 
He may have wanted to support the resistance but ultimately decided it better to semi-retire.  It’s easy to say what someone else should have done or should be doing. It’s quite another to actually experience it personally. 
I’m saying, let’s cut him a break. Yes, we generally do limit our funeral sermon, if public, livestreamed, to speaking of the good things about the deceased.  Everyone knows he had weaknesses, failures, even sins, like everyone.  This isn’t canonizing him a saint.  Let’s pray for Bp. Tissier’s soul.
Rather than critique him for what could have been, let’s have faith a bishop will be provided.  If the SSPX accepts to be absorbed into Rome, then God will provide some other way. 
Of course pray for him, but he became very silent and in the end he could have done more to offset the SSPX push for Rome.
RIP 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2024, 12:42:15 PM »
Quote from: Infirmus on October 23, 2024, 12:35:51 PM
Of course pray for him, but he became very silent and in the end he could have done more to offset the SSPX push for Rome.
RIP

What's interesting is Father Chazal's explanation of +Tissier's reaction when Fr. Chazal told him about the Modernistic compromising of +Fellay, where +Tissier responded angrily that he had "ten times" the evidence for the same thing, but then yelling at him to "be silent".  When someone exhibits anger like that, it's often a sign that their conscience is troubled and they're attempting to silence that conscience.  We all know that PRIOR to 2012, and according to Fr. Chazal, even for a couple years after that, he held Resistance principles, whereby he rejected any notion of a practical agreement, insisting that the Conciliar Church delenda est, so to speak.  I like that slogan, based on the old Roman slogan about Carthage, Ecclesia Conciliaris Delenda Est, and that nothing short will do and constitute victory in the fight.  In any case, +Tisser did opposte the new orientation in principles, so the fact that he not only stayed silent but then angrily silenced and shut down Fr. Chazal's appeals to him does suggest he was compromising and that his conscience wasn't at ease with it.
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Offline MiracleOfTheSun

Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2024, 02:59:48 PM »
Around 2012, just after the fallout of the General Chapter, I went to Connecticut for a retreat given by +Zendegas and the Dominicans.  One of the Dominicans read an email from +Tissier in which Tissier said he 'was ready to make a deal with Rome'.  I don't know if he ever changed his mind but that was hot off the press at the time.  That is unfortunate but +Tissier was also instrumental in getting +Lefebvre to put down his retirement and create a seminary.  Without +Tissier who knows where things would be now.  Thank you +Tissier and +Lefebvre.

+ RIP +
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Offline Seraphina

Re: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX)
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2024, 04:12:28 AM »
Quote from: trento on October 23, 2024, 02:05:03 AM
Indeed, it is rather tasteless for Fr. Chazal to equate Bishop Tissier to Pontius Pilate. This is what I call bitter zeal.
Agree.  Pontus Pilate?   That’s going too far.   Let’s cut Fr. Chazal a break, as well.   He exaggerates to make a point.    Perhaps he expresses his personal disappointment that +Bp. Tissier did not step into Archbishop Lefebvre’s shoes.  It would seem that it would be best to have a United ‘Resistance’ United under a single bishop.  But God didn’t allow that.  He knows what is best.  
I always think active persecution will come and the lack of a visible organization will prove an advantage in escaping imprisonments and being put to death.  If no one bishop, no priest, sister, brother, or layperson hasn’t knowledge of the others, it I see much harder to shut down.  Think of the resistance movements in any war.  The Catholic Resistance may need to operate as the Viet Kong.  
May we have patience as we wait upon Him.
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