Author Topic: Padre Chazal Speaks About Bishop Bernard Tissier de Mallerais(SSPX) (Read 17704 times)

NishantXavier · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2024, 04:33:44 AM »

Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on October 23, 2024, 02:59:48 PM

Around 2012, just after the fallout of the General Chapter, I went to Connecticut for a retreat given by +Zendegas and the Dominicans. One of the Dominicans read an email from +Tissier in which Tissier said he 'was ready to make a deal with Rome'. I don't know if he ever changed his mind but that was hot off the press at the time. That is unfortunate but +Tissier was also instrumental in getting +Lefebvre to put down his retirement and create a seminary. Without +Tissier who knows where things would be now. Thank you +Tissier and +Lefebvre.

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THIS. Thank you to Bishop +Tissier and to Archbishop +Lefebvre for their many years of faithful service. May their souls rest in peace.

Meg · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2024, 10:07:27 AM »

Quote from: Seraphina on October 24, 2024, 04:12:28 AM

Agree. Pontus Pilate? That’s going too far. Let’s cut Fr. Chazal a break, as well. He exaggerates to make a point. Perhaps he expresses his personal disappointment that +Bp. Tissier did not step into Archbishop Lefebvre’s shoes. It would seem that it would be best to have a United ‘Resistance’ United under a single bishop. But God didn’t allow that. He knows what is best.
I always think active persecution will come and the lack of a visible organization will prove an advantage in escaping imprisonments and being put to death. If no one bishop, no priest, sister, brother, or layperson hasn’t knowledge of the others, it I see much harder to shut down. Think of the resistance movements in any war. The Catholic Resistance may need to operate as the Viet Kong.
May we have patience as we wait upon Him.

It depends on how you view Pontius Pilate. I don't think he was evil at all. He certainly didn't want to crucify Our Lord. At least he tried to reason with the Jєωs who wanted Our Lord to be crucified. But they wouldn't back down. So Pilate gave in, in order to keep the peace and not lose his job.

Bp. Tissier gave in by not standing up against the new direction of the SSPX. Nowadays, the leadership of the SSPX hardly ever mentions the huge problems of Modernism and Vatican ll. They are neutered in this regard. If Bp. Tissier had stood firm, as Bp. Williamson did, would the SSPX be in the situation they are today?

MiserereMei · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2024, 11:11:57 AM »

Quote from: RacerX on October 24, 2024, 10:24:38 AM

The problem with this line of thinking - and it is no small problem, to say the least - is that the Catholic Church is by its nature a visible organization. A scattered group of individuals who don't know each other - but who mistakenly believe they have the faith - is not the Catholic Church; and it wouldn't even be the Catholic Church if they did have they faith.

There is a crisis of faith in the Traditional movement specifically, and it consists in the fact that almost no one knows what the Catholic Church is. And what the Catholic Church definitely isn't is a scatterd group of individuals who do not belong to a visible organization with four marks - the same visible organization that has existed as such since the time of the Apostles. The promises of Christ - "the gates of hell shall not prevail," etc., pertain to the visible organization.

The nature of the Church itself - not what is required to be a member of it, since every heretic will mistkenly think he meets that definition - is what every Traditional Catholic should immediatly begin studying.

Well... Christian Japanese went 2 centuries without contact with the visible organization. That didn't disqualified them from being Catholic.

Meg · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2024, 11:52:49 AM »

Quote from: RacerX on October 24, 2024, 11:09:02 AM

I reply to my downvoter, I say: the only thing worse than not knowing what the Church is, is hearing what it is and rejecting it.

Given that the Catholic Church has been occupied by Modernist heretics (Modernism is a heresy) for 60+ years, it's difficult to know where the Church is exactly.

Is the Church as it exists in Rome the true Church? I think that it is, though given that the Modernists have changed so many things about the Catholic faith, it often isn't recognizable as having the Catholic Faith. If there were no modernist Crisis, we wouldn't have to debate the issue.

Bp. Tissier de Mallerais once wrote a study of this situation. He wrote that the occupation of the Church by Modernists is like a parasite that feeds off of a host. The Modernist parasite is not the Catholic Church, but it can only exist by feeding off of the True Church, and in this sense it does still retain or absorb some of the Catholic Faith. So in effect, there are two churches in one body. Just his opinion, but it makes some sense to me.

Giovanni Berto · « **Reply #14 on:** October 24, 2024, 11:59:03 AM »

Quote from: Meg on October 24, 2024, 10:07:27 AM

It depends on how you view Pontius Pilate. I don't think he was evil at all. He certainly didn't want to crucify Our Lord. At least he tried to reason with the Jєωs who wanted Our Lord to be crucified. But they wouldn't back down. So Pilate gave in, in order to keep the peace and not lose his job.

How can it be that he was not evil, when he was giving a death sentence to a man he knew for certain that was innocent? He was literally sending people to death to save his job.

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