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Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Matthew on October 11, 2015, 06:49:26 PM
I'm not making this up, either. Truth really is stranger than fiction. Right up to the 0:55 mark where Pablo puts on his trademark dark sunglasses.

Boston, KY has become a full-fledged three ring circus! All we need is a few acrobats, and maybe another elephant, and they could sell tickets!


I downloaded a copy of it, in case anyone wants to call me crazy.

Pablo sat in the seat where Fr. Hewko normally sits for catechism, and preached a 4.5 minute "sermon" on charity.

In this "sermon", he took a decidedly heterodox position on the value of faithfully performing one's duty of state for purposes of saving one's soul. His teaching is in stark contrast with countless traditional masters of the spiritual life.

He downplayed fidelity to one's duties of state, and accused the seminarians (all 2 of them) of some vague dereliction with regards to his son who is in the hospital. I seriously doubt these seminarians did anything against Catholic charity or human decency with regards to his son Santiago.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Matthew on October 11, 2015, 07:00:38 PM
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/crlG6uVrAfU[/youtube]
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Ladislaus on October 11, 2015, 07:30:59 PM
He says that he has chastised Bishop Williamson "and other traitors to Our Lady and her Son".

 :facepalm:
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: JPaul on October 11, 2015, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: Ladislaus
He says that he has chastised Bishop Williamson "and other traitors to Our Lady and her Son".

 :facepalm:


 :facepalm:
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Matthew on October 11, 2015, 07:37:06 PM
 :facepalm:

Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Ladislaus on October 11, 2015, 07:38:54 PM
I honestly don't even know what he was saying; it was rambling and incoherent.

He's complaining I guess about how no one took over his duties so that he could go attend to his son and then "chastising" people who are into ritual exactness while not having charity.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Matthew on October 11, 2015, 07:39:31 PM
Or

Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Matthew on October 11, 2015, 07:40:55 PM
Yes, this coming from the man who is SO negligent in his basic duties that he no longer attends Mass.

Yes, that's where you really learn what charity is...when you abstain from the very Fountain of charity for years... yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

And nothing says charity like dark sunglasses so I can't see those "windows of the soul", your eyes. Most saints wore dark sunglasses.  

Or maybe that was BAD GUYS that tend to wear dark sunglasses. Hmm...

Like I said, Godzilla facepalm material.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Ladislaus on October 11, 2015, 07:42:15 PM
He also seems to be taking credit for "shaming" Bishop Williamson into consecrating Bishop Faure, says that Bishop Williamson has no idea why he did it, and that's because, despite being a traitor, God was forcing him to do it.  Perhaps Pablo cast some kind of voodoo spell on him.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Ladislaus on October 11, 2015, 07:45:16 PM
Quote from: Matthew
Yes, this coming from the man who is SO negligent in his basic duties that he no longer attends Mass.

Yes, that's where you really learn what charity is...when you abstain from the very Fountain of charity for years... yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Like I said, Godzilla facepalm material.


Yeah, that's actually a very typical rationalization from people who refuse to do their duties; they complain that people who do their duties but have no charity won't be saved.  True enough.  But people who have (false) charity and fail to do their duties cannot be saved either.  It is in fact charity, the ultimate charity, that towards God Himself, that requires us to do our religious duties.  So they create this false opposition between duties and charity in an attempt to sooth their own consciences.  And of course his vicious "chastisements" and referring to his opponents as "traitors to Our Lady and her Son" are models of charity.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Ladislaus on October 11, 2015, 07:46:20 PM
If it weren't so tragic, this would almost be like welcome comic relief from the crisis in the Church.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Paul FHC on October 11, 2015, 08:12:21 PM
This is a joke. He's acting like he tricked bishop Williamson into consecrating bishop faure. All I can say is that, if+Williamson is a traitor for not playing with Boston, then +faure will be also.  Just watch.  Nobody respectable will associate with them.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on October 11, 2015, 08:36:16 PM
It's a logical conclusion to everything that Pablo is now preaching sermons.

This is the leader of the Church US Resistors have been following.  Talk about your deceptions.

"...even the elect shall be deceived..."
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: obediens on October 11, 2015, 08:55:09 PM
Before the video actually starts, there is a picture of Pablo surrounded by the sedevacantist Carmelites in Guadalajara, associated with Bishop Pivarunas.

That is probably the most ridiculous video I've ever seen. Must've taken homiletics with Ambrose.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on October 11, 2015, 08:58:53 PM
Seems ecuмenism is a trait of OLMC.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: hollingsworth on October 11, 2015, 09:13:53 PM
If Fr. Voigt's letter to Fr. Pfeiffer hasn't quite yet convinced everyone, this Pablo video should do it.  I would certainly hope that anyone still attached to Pr. Pfeiffer's movement might, upon viewing the deranged ranting of this person, be finally delivered from it.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: JPaul on October 11, 2015, 09:25:06 PM
Am I mistaken or did I just hear this video end with the theme from the Godfather?
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Montfort on October 11, 2015, 09:29:38 PM
I think this man has a severe issue with pride. Given his background and this video, he kind of reminds me of "pope" Michael. The very fact that he made a video is a telling sign that all the concerns being brought up about what's happening in Boston is getting to him. He feels that he has to "stick it to us" so to speak.
What he sees as attacks, I see as legitimate concerns about what's going on in Boston. If the faithful didn't care, we wouldn't talk about it. We want to see OLMC succeed, but in order for that to happen, some serious changes need to be made...in my humble opinion.
Prayers for him and his son  :pray:
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: cathman7 on October 11, 2015, 09:33:51 PM
What is it going to take for people to realize that Fr. Pfeiffer and his group in OLMC is bereft of any Catholic sense? Everything that is happening there is a complete tragedy of epic proportions.

Does one need to list all of the reasons why no support should be given to this group?

It is sad. Zeal improperly guided and checked has led to minds unhinged from reality. May their minds and hearts convert....
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Croixalist on October 11, 2015, 09:36:08 PM
Sometimes even God face-palms...

(http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-May-2007/103497-Jesus.jpg)

This was one of those times.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: hollingsworth on October 11, 2015, 11:49:32 PM
obscurus:
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What is it going to take for people to realize that Fr. Pfeiffer and his group in OLMC is bereft of any Catholic sense? Everything that is happening there is a complete tragedy of epic proportions.


Yes, I must agree.  I sent Pablo's video to all the folks in OLGS chapel in Post Falls, whose email addresses we have.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: PG on October 11, 2015, 11:51:05 PM
obscurus - I agree with you entirely, and could not have said it any better.  But, I would like to salvage these priests, fr. hewko in particular.  
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Matthew on October 12, 2015, 12:04:33 AM
Pablo has really outdone himself this time.

Dark Sunglasses? Check.
Putting them on mid-video for (what he considers to be) dramatic effect? Check.
Even though this whole thing took place indoors? Check.
Cowboy hat in the background? Check.
More evidence that a psychologist would have a field day in Boston, KY? Check.
Complaining about nothing substantial? Check.
Opposing Catholic sense and morality? Check.
Mocking seminarians who want to do things like study and go to Mass? Check.
Full of himself? Check.
Godfather Theme for over 2 minutes at the end, insanely juxtaposed with a pious nun holding a Rosary (?) Check.
Giving Boston, KY yet another black eye? Check.
Monetizing a Youtube video with ads, copyrighted Godfather theme and all (huh?!) I didn't think you could do that...
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 12, 2015, 12:51:16 AM
Quote from: Ladislaus

He also seems to be taking credit for "shaming" Bishop Williamson into consecrating Bishop Faure, says that Bishop Williamson has no idea why he did it, and that's because, despite being a traitor, God was forcing him to do it.  

My sentiments exactly.  Pablo has the overt temerity to claim his written excoriations of Bishop Williamson are the reason that he consecrated +Faure, but that +W isn't astute enough to realize that Pablo's vitriol was his motivation.  

The GALL meter is in the red zone.


(https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.dreamstime.com%2Fz%2Fpressure-gauge-22529009.jpg&sp=f62fd4e38a8c65f416cc9600826ff26f)
GALL METER


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Perhaps Pablo cast some kind of voodoo spell on him.


I highly doubt a "spell" cast by Pablo could have any effect on +W.  His spiritual armor plating is of a different league than that.

Quote from: Paul FHC
This is a joke. He's acting like he tricked bishop Williamson into consecrating bishop faure. All I can say is that, if+Williamson is a traitor for not playing with Boston, then +faure will be also.  Just watch.  Nobody respectable will associate with them.



Quote from: obediens
Before the video actually starts, there is a picture of Pablo surrounded by the sedevacantist Carmelites in Guadalajara, associated with Bishop Pivarunas.

That is probably the most ridiculous video I've ever seen.  

Perhaps Pablo has a lot more association with sedes in Mexico than we had expected.
Maybe that has something to do with +Fellay's accusations of sedevacantism toward the Resistance??

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Must've taken homiletics with Ambrose.

Hey -- they probably met in the classroom!!

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Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Pepe on October 12, 2015, 01:18:03 AM
Quote from: Paul FHC
This is a joke. He's acting like he tricked bishop Williamson into consecrating bishop faure. All I can say is that, if+Williamson is a traitor for not playing with Boston, then +faure will be also.  Just watch.  Nobody respectable will associate with them.


Where does that put Fr. Edward Macdonald, who recently preached said retreat for the 2 seminarians?
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: cebu on October 12, 2015, 01:20:19 AM
Surely everyone must now red-light Boston, KY and all those who associate with it and defend it like Ecclesia Militants and The Recusant. Perhaps that might bring them to their senses and they expel Paul H or Grima Wormtongue ( from Lord of the Rings) and so his spell over the place be lifted.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 12, 2015, 01:50:45 AM
Quote from: cebu
Perhaps that might bring them to their senses and they expel Paul H or Grima Wormtongue (from Lord of the Rings) and so his spell over the place be lifted.

Should one bite the hand that feeds him?
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on October 12, 2015, 05:50:26 AM
As I have repeated many times, OLMC is EcuмENIST.  What do I mean by that?  They are heterodox (as Matthew stated) when it comes to KEEPING THAT SEMINARY GOING.  They will work with ANYONE regardless of their beliefs as long as they will do something to build up the seminary.  Schismatics, heretics, occultists, Fenneyites, you name it.  Fr Pfeiffer has a weird belief that any person who does anything to keep that seminary afloat is acting under the Will of Almighty God.  He requires no conversion, no profession of Catholic faith, to "help".  I have no doubt whatsoever that if a Zionist Jew wanted to give a sizeable donation to the seminary he would accept it with no qualms.  Anyone who can further his "glorious cause" is an ally, such as the Talented Mr. Hernandez.  

He once explained how an bad unbelieving man who does a good deed for OLMC is holier in the eyes of God that a good Catholic soul who doesn't help the seminary.  He really did say this and I was stupid and believed it.  Shame on me.

How many good Catholic souls have gone to OLMC to help and after a short time left while Pablo hangs on?  Those people are dead to Fr Pfeiffer yet he almost daily sings the praises of Pablo.  I should add that there are others who "assist"--Father has his Internet water carrier.

The Godfather references are telling because it also reveals another OLMC belief:  the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  Anyone who hates +Fellay, +Williamson, Fr Zendejas, the Pfeiffer family, etc, is a friend.  

The KY fathers profess the Catholic Faith in words but in deeds it's "omerta".  
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Stubborn on October 12, 2015, 05:55:56 AM
Quote from: Matthew
(http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&s=attach&id=6174)



There should be a double Godzilla face palm for this.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Paul FHC on October 12, 2015, 06:51:10 AM
Quote from: Pepe
Quote from: Paul FHC
This is a joke. He's acting like he tricked bishop Williamson into consecrating bishop faure. All I can say is that, if+Williamson is a traitor for not playing with Boston, then +faure will be also.  Just watch.  Nobody respectable will associate with them.


Where does that put Fr. Edward Macdonald, who recently preached said retreat for the 2 seminarians?


I would put fr MacDonald in the same category as I would put fr Morrell,a priest from Louisiana who visits occasionally. A good priest, no doubt. But completely ignorant of what happens there.

Pablo is not unable to clean up his act for certain periods of time in order to impress certain,valuable individuals. This is also the case with Mr. Greg Taylor, whom Pablo slobbers over every time he visits Kentucky. I have utter certitude that Greg is an outstanding Catholic individual,however,he has no earthly idea what kind of association he is supporting,that is OLMC.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: MariaAngelaGrow on October 12, 2015, 07:59:22 AM
I have a friend who has spent much time in KY. This person has family members that are vulnerable to things that Pablo might do if this person publicly made statements. I do not wish to make this post, but my friend begged me to do so.

The fact is that many people have uprooted their lives and gone to KY to help Fr. Pfeiffer and OLMC. Some quit their jobs, relocated their families. But when they did anything that did not please Pablo, he told Fr. Pfeiffer to send these people away. These many volunteers were told their help was not wanted. Pablo has kept away all help that was not completely under his domination. He is the sole reason that Fr. Pfeiffer and the seminary do not have more than enough help.

My friend wanted me to warn people not to think OLMC needs help so I will go there to help. Because unless they are completely subservient to Pablo, that help will be rejected.

No, I can not tell my source and name names. Please do not shoot as I am just the messenger and a sick messenger at that. I have had two falls in the last 3 months, and am still battling an abscessed tooth. But please if anyone has the idea to go to OLMC, think and pray about it.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Ladislaus on October 12, 2015, 08:15:52 AM
Quote from: cebu
Surely everyone must now red-light Boston, KY and all those who associate with it and defend it like Ecclesia Militants and The Recusant. Perhaps that might bring them to their senses and they expel Paul H or Grima Wormtongue ( from Lord of the Rings) and so his spell over the place be lifted.


LOL

Father Pfeiffer = Theoden
Pablo = Grima Wormtongue

Seems like we need a replication of the "exorcism" scene from LOTR.  +Williamson could come in as Gandalf.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: JPM on October 12, 2015, 09:19:52 AM
Quote from: Ladislaus
He says that he has chastised Bishop Williamson "and other traitors to Our Lady and her Son".

 :facepalm:


Bishop Williamson who is "doing things to improve and solidify the kingdom of Satan"...

It's worse there than it first appeared. Anyone who supports them is complicit. The evidence is just overwhelming and incontrovertible.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: OldMerry on October 12, 2015, 10:33:02 AM
TheRealMcCoy ... the (so-called) "Feeneyites"?  Not to derail this thread, but such orthodox Catholics have tried to be charitable and supportive of the Pfeiffers' chapel through the years and Fr. Pfeiffer's resistance chapel to this point -- despite criticisms heard and even publications, etc. by Fr. P. and others denouncing that orthodoxy.  They turn the other cheek.  And they had no need of  support or help themselves - by this I mean they were not desperate themselves, only charitably trying to help fellow trads (trads, taken in the broad sense), even when the Pfeiffer's home burned, or food was needed at an odd time or two for a retreat or priest meeting, etc. over the years.  And not only with things like these, but they are an example.  It was done for the love of God.  Just couldn't let your little litany of "evil doers" slip on by with "Feeneyites" in there.  Nor the slap to a heroic priest who was on his game long before most others, including the venerable Arch. Lefebvre.  And maybe, just to mention it, and just wondering, if a great deal of the problem with the SSPX and Pfeifferville imploding, has actually and exactly to do with God's blessing being removed because they have publicly, even relentlessly, persecuted those who having been standing up for the Church's defined positions regarding baptism and salvation, and have not come to a knowledge of the truth in this matter themselves.  They continue to push error - heresy if you will - in His Name, and as being the face of and "champions of the Church of Tradition" - and He has had it.  It has gone on for years all over the world - and is no small matter. This isn't even to mention any fast and loose (inconsistent) handing of the Novus Ordo issue, indult "Mass" issue, and granting of Our Lord in Holy Communion issue (last and certainly not least). But this reply was in response to the "Feeneyite" ignorant and cheap shot that was, it is assumed, made with a good, charitable intention.  

Now, if you want, back to Pablo.  
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Matthew on October 12, 2015, 10:54:43 AM
Fr Pfeiffer should see Fr Amorth in Rome. I think +W would defer to an experienced exorcist who uses the traditional rite of exorcism. There was a case back in the day of JP II in which a very pious priest fell under the spell of a wicked person through pride and left his priesthood entirely. He had to have the most solemn exorcism by the highest exorcists in Rome to come back to his senses. I am not saying that this is the case with Fr. Pfeiffer. But +W would ask a more experienced person were he asked to do this.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Charlemagne on October 12, 2015, 11:07:49 AM
I've attended Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass with my family, but I won't again anytime soon or maybe ever. I refuse to involve my family with a cult - and that's exactly what he heads, although perhaps unwittingly. If I saw someone like Pablo standing on a street corner while I was sitting at a red light, I'd have my .45 sitting on my lap. And if the good Fr. Pfeiffer doesn't have any more sense than to distance himself pronto from this guy, I question his judgement in every other matter.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: JMKViking on October 12, 2015, 11:08:19 AM
This video is so ridiculous for dozens of reasons, it doesn't afford any substantive comment.  It is an ad hominem all on its own.  This poor man is simply not to blame entirely; 2 priests have permitted this through (one hopes) omission; the perfection of a loon.  I think someone would have a moral obligation to NOT support this in any way possible.    

How can anyone take Boston, Kentucky seriously--seriously!
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Meg on October 12, 2015, 11:20:38 AM
I'm an outsider, but have been following the issue of Pablo being involved in the Resistance. I think that he does have some good things to say about charity, in a general sense. However, since it has been reported that he only occasionally attends Mass, and doesn't really practice the Faith as a Traditional Catholic, why is he so involved with the Resistance, to the point that he doesn't go to be with his 'gravely ill' son? Shouldn't he be putting his son first anyway? I don't get it.

 :confused1:
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: MariaAngelaGrow on October 12, 2015, 12:42:36 PM
Dear Meg, Pablo basically runs the whole show. People have brought healthy food for the seminarians, and Pablo threw it away because he had not approved it. Pablo controls the donations, along with his friend Rose. Pablo schedules the Mass trips for the fathers. Pablo posts the videos of the fathers. Pablo basically runs the entire operation in Boston, Kentucky. No one is actually stopping Pablo from visiting his son in the hospital, but I think that, due to his past, Pablo has trouble letting things out of his control. And I can understand that to an extent, because I had an incident in my childhood in which a pedophile who was a "respectable" church organist courted my mother to get to me. I was 10 years old. My mother, who was working 100 hours a week all through my childhood to raise me, basically had a dissociative breakdown, though I did not know what that was til I majored in psych in college. She withdrew, the organist was crazy and Satanic, so 10 year old me had to get in control and fix the situation, because I was the only one rational enough to do so. It took me years to be able to surrender control of my circuмstances to anyone else, but eventually I did. I never sought to control others, so much as keep them from controlling my life, but if the childhood trauma were great enough, then the need for control would be greater. It is so very easy to think, "I am the only one who can get this done right." Then you push away help while wishing you had it. I can empathize, but it is disaster in these circuмstances to have a lay person who is away from the sacraments to have so much control. Pablo is efficient, but he does not appear to be in the state of grace, as no one ever sees him receive the sacraments. My husband and I have been praying and offering small sacrifices for Pablo and Santiago and the fathers. I think it will take a miracle to resolve this situation, but God can do miracles, no problem, if we pray fervently and consistently.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Meg on October 12, 2015, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: MariaAngelaGrow
Dear Meg, Pablo basically runs the whole show. People have brought healthy food for the seminarians, and Pablo threw it away because he had not approved it. Pablo controls the donations, along with his friend Rose. Pablo schedules the Mass trips for the fathers. Pablo posts the videos of the fathers. Pablo basically runs the entire operation in Boston, Kentucky. No one is actually stopping Pablo from visiting his son in the hospital, but I think that, due to his past, Pablo has trouble letting things out of his control. And I can understand that to an extent, because I had an incident in my childhood in which a pedophile who was a "respectable" church organist courted my mother to get to me. I was 10 years old. My mother, who was working 100 hours a week all through my childhood to raise me, basically had a dissociative breakdown, though I did not know what that was til I majored in psych in college. She withdrew, the organist was crazy and Satanic, so 10 year old me had to get in control and fix the situation, because I was the only one rational enough to do so. It took me years to be able to surrender control of my circuмstances to anyone else, but eventually I did. I never sought to control others, so much as keep them from controlling my life, but if the childhood trauma were great enough, then the need for control would be greater. It is so very easy to think, "I am the only one who can get this done right." Then you push away help while wishing you had it. I can empathize, but it is disaster in these circuмstances to have a lay person who is away from the sacraments to have so much control. Pablo is efficient, but he does not appear to be in the state of grace, as no one ever sees him receive the sacraments. My husband and I have been praying and offering small sacrifices for Pablo and Santiago and the fathers. I think it will take a miracle to resolve this situation, but God can do miracles, no problem, if we pray fervently and consistently.


Thanks for the explanation, Maria, but the situation still doesn't make sense.  Bless you for having endured suffering, but still can see your way to praying and sacrificing for Pablo, Santiago (I don't know who he is), and the Fathers. Not an easy thing to do.

Has anyone ever asked Pablo about why it is that he doesn't receive the Sacraments? It seems an obvious thing to do (to ask him, I mean). Or why he would want to be so involved in a Traditional Catholic group at all? These are my two questions, though there may not be an answer for them. Maybe he feels he's on a personal mission from God? Or something like that? I know that there are some Charismatics who behave this way, who feel that they are in touch with God. Not that Pablo is a Charismatic, but hopefully you know what I mean.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: MariaAngelaGrow on October 12, 2015, 05:31:16 PM
Santiago Hernandez is the son of Pablo who is in the hospital. You can see him in the video asking prayer on the page with resistance sermons. He is being given Extreme Unction by the priests, but he did not die and seems to be doing better.

I do not think very many people question Pablo, as he has quite a temper. People who are not in KY may not realize it, because if Pablo comes along, he is at Mass but video-recording. One reason he gave one person I Know for not going to Mass when he is in Boston, KY is because he will not go to Mass there until Fr. Pfeiffer's parents, who own the property, sign over the land to Fr Pfeiffer. This does not make sense to me. Someone else may have heard a reason given by him. I do not know. But it may be that he knows it would be of no use going to confession if he plans to continue his masonic and occult activities. What would be the point if he does not plan to change his way of life?

If you wish, feel free to ask him. You can get in touch with him through Our Lady of Mount Carmel website, or leave a message on his youtube channel. His involvement is because he has been involved with Fr. Pfeiffer for the past 18 years or something like that, since back in AZ. It seems there must be some sort of co-dependent relationship between Pablo and Fr. Pfeiffer. Fr Pfeiffer seems to think no one can do the jobs for him like Pablo can, and Pablo, for whatever reason is attached to Fr Pfeiffer. But the ties go way back.

By the way, there are many fine resistance and independent priests who are holy and dedicated. Please do not let this affect your view of any other priests, such as Fr. Chazal or the Dominicans at Avrille or Fr. Zendejas or Fr. Voigt.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Meg on October 12, 2015, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: MariaAngelaGrow
Santiago Hernandez is the son of Pablo who is in the hospital. You can see him in the video asking prayer on the page with resistance sermons. He is being given Extreme Unction by the priests, but he did not die and seems to be doing better.

I do not think very many people question Pablo, as he has quite a temper. People who are not in KY may not realize it, because if Pablo comes along, he is at Mass but video-recording. One reason he gave one person I Know for not going to Mass when he is in Boston, KY is because he will not go to Mass there until Fr. Pfeiffer's parents, who own the property, sign over the land to Fr Pfeiffer. This does not make sense to me. Someone else may have heard a reason given by him. I do not know. But it may be that he knows it would be of no use going to confession if he plans to continue his masonic and occult activities. What would be the point if he does not plan to change his way of life?

If you wish, feel free to ask him. You can get in touch with him through Our Lady of Mount Carmel website, or leave a message on his youtube channel. His involvement is because he has been involved with Fr. Pfeiffer for the past 18 years or something like that, since back in AZ. It seems there must be some sort of co-dependent relationship between Pablo and Fr. Pfeiffer. Fr Pfeiffer seems to think no one can do the jobs for him like Pablo can, and Pablo, for whatever reason is attached to Fr Pfeiffer. But the ties go way back.

By the way, there are many fine resistance and independent priests who are holy and dedicated. Please do not let this affect your view of any other priests, such as Fr. Chazal or the Dominicans at Avrille or Fr. Zendejas or Fr. Voigt.


Thanks for the further info. So Pablo is involved in masonic and occult activities. Wouldn't that be a huge red flag for Fr. Pf? Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is basically anti-Catholic. But then everyone already knows that. I have to wonder what sort of activities that he participates in.

What's the point in being a traditional Catholic involved with the Kentucky group if the person coordinating it is an occultist and mason, which goes against Church teaching. Aren't traditionalists supposed to adhere to Church teaching? It makes the average Novus Ordo parish seem rather tame in comparison.

I may leave a message on his youtube channel or write to Our Lady of Carmel website, and ask a few questions.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: Meg on October 13, 2015, 10:29:08 AM
Quote from: MariaAngelaGrow


By the way, there are many fine resistance and independent priests who are holy and dedicated. Please do not let this affect your view of any other priests, such as Fr. Chazal or the Dominicans at Avrille or Fr. Zendejas or Fr. Voigt.


Don't worry, I haven't let this situation affect my view of the other good priests (and laypersons) involved with the resistance. Hopefully this situation in Kentucky will be resolved eventually.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: covet truth on October 13, 2015, 11:06:43 AM
Quote from: MariaAngelaGrow
It seems there must be some sort of co-dependent relationship between Pablo and Fr. Pfeiffer.


You have uncovered the secret of this relationship which will not change because of this dependency.  In my opinion, Father Pfeiffer is very insecure.  Pablo provides the bravado which Fr. Pfeiffer would lack without him.  His ego is very fragile.  Without Pablo Father would have to face his shortcomings and he doesn't seem to be able or willing to do that.  The only answer is in the spiritual realm.  He needs a long sabbatical, away from the world, with time to reflect on what has happened to him.  For sure he can't do it alone.  He needs spiritual guidance.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: OHCA on October 13, 2015, 12:10:50 PM
Maria,

What's the basis of the statement about Pablo being a mason or engaging in masonic activities?
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: MariaAngelaGrow on October 13, 2015, 02:46:40 PM
What he has said directly to people I know well. I do not have docuмented proof, but people I know well, more than one has heard him say that he is a mason, and have seen him perform strange ceremonies. Whether he actively attends a lodge or whatever, I certainly can not say, but he has boasted of his ability to accomplish certain things because he is a mason and connected. Possibly through his union activities he found it useful? I just do not believe that number of credible people would make it up. Now if Pablo is only saying  it to make himself seem more important, then he is bringing a false impression down on himself.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: ihsv on October 13, 2015, 02:55:15 PM
The video appears to have been removed from Youtube, or at least made private.
Title: Pablo preaches a sermon on Charity - that takes the cake!
Post by: JPaul on October 13, 2015, 03:31:56 PM
Quote from: OHCA
Maria,

What's the basis of the statement about Pablo being a mason or engaging in masonic activities?


These types of things are not something which we can know or assert, without first hand evidence or witnessing it ourselves.  They are dangerous accusations and not to be dealt with by speculative means.

The truth of these things will become known soon enough, and if true, the evidence will come forth and accuse justly on its own.