Surely everyone must now red-light Boston, KY and all those who associate with it and defend it like Ecclesia Militants and The Recusant. Perhaps that might bring them to their senses and they expel Paul H or Grima Wormtongue ( from Lord of the Rings) and so his spell over the place be lifted.

LOL

Father Pfeiffer = Theoden
Pablo = Grima Wormtongue

Seems like we need a replication of the "exorcism" scene from LOTR.  +Williamson could come in as Gandalf.

TheRealMcCoy ... the (so-called) "Feeneyites"?  Not to derail this thread, but such orthodox Catholics have tried to be charitable and supportive of the Pfeiffers' chapel through the years and Fr. Pfeiffer's resistance chapel to this point -- despite criticisms heard and even publications, etc. by Fr. P. and others denouncing that orthodoxy.  They turn the other cheek.  And they had no need of  support or help themselves - by this I mean they were not desperate themselves, only charitably trying to help fellow trads (trads, taken in the broad sense), even when the Pfeiffer's home burned, or food was needed at an odd time or two for a retreat or priest meeting, etc. over the years.  And not only with things like these, but they are an example.  It was done for the love of God.  Just couldn't let your little litany of "evil doers" slip on by with "Feeneyites" in there.  Nor the slap to a heroic priest who was on his game long before most others, including the venerable Arch. Lefebvre.  And maybe, just to mention it, and just wondering, if a great deal of the problem with the SSPX and Pfeifferville imploding, has actually and exactly to do with God's blessing being removed because they have publicly, even relentlessly, persecuted those who having been standing up for the Church's defined positions regarding baptism and salvation, and have not come to a knowledge of the truth in this matter themselves.  They continue to push error - heresy if you will - in His Name, and as being the face of and "champions of the Church of Tradition" - and He has had it.  It has gone on for years all over the world - and is no small matter. This isn't even to mention any fast and loose (inconsistent) handing of the Novus Ordo issue, indult "Mass" issue, and granting of Our Lord in Holy Communion issue (last and certainly not least). But this reply was in response to the "Feeneyite" ignorant and cheap shot that was, it is assumed, made with a good, charitable intention.  

Now, if you want, back to Pablo.  

I've attended Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass with my family, but I won't again anytime soon or maybe ever. I refuse to involve my family with a cult - and that's exactly what he heads, although perhaps unwittingly. If I saw someone like Pablo standing on a street corner while I was sitting at a red light, I'd have my .45 sitting on my lap. And if the good Fr. Pfeiffer doesn't have any more sense than to distance himself pronto from this guy, I question his judgement in every other matter.

I'm an outsider, but have been following the issue of Pablo being involved in the Resistance. I think that he does have some good things to say about charity, in a general sense. However, since it has been reported that he only occasionally attends Mass, and doesn't really practice the Faith as a Traditional Catholic, why is he so involved with the Resistance, to the point that he doesn't go to be with his 'gravely ill' son? Shouldn't he be putting his son first anyway? I don't get it.

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Dear Meg, Pablo basically runs the whole show. People have brought healthy food for the seminarians, and Pablo threw it away because he had not approved it. Pablo controls the donations, along with his friend Rose. Pablo schedules the Mass trips for the fathers. Pablo posts the videos of the fathers. Pablo basically runs the entire operation in Boston, Kentucky. No one is actually stopping Pablo from visiting his son in the hospital, but I think that, due to his past, Pablo has trouble letting things out of his control. And I can understand that to an extent, because I had an incident in my childhood in which a pedophile who was a "respectable" church organist courted my mother to get to me. I was 10 years old. My mother, who was working 100 hours a week all through my childhood to raise me, basically had a dissociative breakdown, though I did not know what that was til I majored in psych in college. She withdrew, the organist was crazy and Satanic, so 10 year old me had to get in control and fix the situation, because I was the only one rational enough to do so. It took me years to be able to surrender control of my circuмstances to anyone else, but eventually I did. I never sought to control others, so much as keep them from controlling my life, but if the childhood trauma were great enough, then the need for control would be greater. It is so very easy to think, "I am the only one who can get this done right." Then you push away help while wishing you had it. I can empathize, but it is disaster in these circuмstances to have a lay person who is away from the sacraments to have so much control. Pablo is efficient, but he does not appear to be in the state of grace, as no one ever sees him receive the sacraments. My husband and I have been praying and offering small sacrifices for Pablo and Santiago and the fathers. I think it will take a miracle to resolve this situation, but God can do miracles, no problem, if we pray fervently and consistently.

Thanks for the explanation, Maria, but the situation still doesn't make sense.  Bless you for having endured suffering, but still can see your way to praying and sacrificing for Pablo, Santiago (I don't know who he is), and the Fathers. Not an easy thing to do.

Has anyone ever asked Pablo about why it is that he doesn't receive the Sacraments? It seems an obvious thing to do (to ask him, I mean). Or why he would want to be so involved in a Traditional Catholic group at all? These are my two questions, though there may not be an answer for them. Maybe he feels he's on a personal mission from God? Or something like that? I know that there are some Charismatics who behave this way, who feel that they are in touch with God. Not that Pablo is a Charismatic, but hopefully you know what I mean.

Santiago Hernandez is the son of Pablo who is in the hospital. You can see him in the video asking prayer on the page with resistance sermons. He is being given Extreme Unction by the priests, but he did not die and seems to be doing better.

I do not think very many people question Pablo, as he has quite a temper. People who are not in KY may not realize it, because if Pablo comes along, he is at Mass but video-recording. One reason he gave one person I Know for not going to Mass when he is in Boston, KY is because he will not go to Mass there until Fr. Pfeiffer's parents, who own the property, sign over the land to Fr Pfeiffer. This does not make sense to me. Someone else may have heard a reason given by him. I do not know. But it may be that he knows it would be of no use going to confession if he plans to continue his masonic and occult activities. What would be the point if he does not plan to change his way of life?

If you wish, feel free to ask him. You can get in touch with him through Our Lady of Mount Carmel website, or leave a message on his youtube channel. His involvement is because he has been involved with Fr. Pfeiffer for the past 18 years or something like that, since back in AZ. It seems there must be some sort of co-dependent relationship between Pablo and Fr. Pfeiffer. Fr Pfeiffer seems to think no one can do the jobs for him like Pablo can, and Pablo, for whatever reason is attached to Fr Pfeiffer. But the ties go way back.

By the way, there are many fine resistance and independent priests who are holy and dedicated. Please do not let this affect your view of any other priests, such as Fr. Chazal or the Dominicans at Avrille or Fr. Zendejas or Fr. Voigt.

Thanks for the further info. So Pablo is involved in masonic and occult activities. Wouldn't that be a huge red flag for Fr. Pf? Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is basically anti-Catholic. But then everyone already knows that. I have to wonder what sort of activities that he participates in.

What's the point in being a traditional Catholic involved with the Kentucky group if the person coordinating it is an occultist and mason, which goes against Church teaching. Aren't traditionalists supposed to adhere to Church teaching? It makes the average Novus Ordo parish seem rather tame in comparison.

I may leave a message on his youtube channel or write to Our Lady of Carmel website, and ask a few questions.

It seems there must be some sort of co-dependent relationship between Pablo and Fr. Pfeiffer.

You have uncovered the secret of this relationship which will not change because of this dependency.  In my opinion, Father Pfeiffer is very insecure.  Pablo provides the bravado which Fr. Pfeiffer would lack without him.  His ego is very fragile.  Without Pablo Father would have to face his shortcomings and he doesn't seem to be able or willing to do that.  The only answer is in the spiritual realm.  He needs a long sabbatical, away from the world, with time to reflect on what has happened to him.  For sure he can't do it alone.  He needs spiritual guidance.