Author Topic: Outstanding Sermon on Sedevacantism by Fr. Pfeiffer (Read 48139 times)

Pete Vere · « **Reply #300 on:** May 08, 2014, 11:11:20 AM »

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The speech couldn't contradict "the narrative" unless dCM actually says within it that he is not a sedevacantist. Anything less than that would not disprove the eyewitness testimony.

Well, if in the speech he states that he recognizes the papacy of JPII, I think that is equivalent to stating he is not a sede.

Agreed. Provided the speech was given the day of the episcopal consecrations.

curioustrad · « **Reply #301 on:** May 08, 2014, 03:58:02 PM »

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The speech couldn't contradict "the narrative" unless dCM actually says within it that he is not a sedevacantist. Anything less than that would not disprove the eyewitness testimony.

Well, if in the speech he states that he recognizes the papacy of JPII, I think that is equivalent to stating he is not a sede.

Agreed. Provided the speech was given the day of the episcopal consecrations.

It should also be noted (if it hasn't been already) that Fr. Schmidberger was once a sedevacantist himself - does that make him always one ? He confirmed this to me when I reminded him of this point in a private discussion with him in 1993.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #302 on:** May 08, 2014, 04:47:04 PM »

hugeman:

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So, dear Hollingsworth,
To save your soul, you consciously adhere to a man who is an anti-Christ, who with other anti-Christs, is running an intrinsically evil conciliar church, just because, at the same time, the same person is also in charge of the Catholic Church--to which you wish to belong?
What you are saying, it appears, is that, Monday through Saturday "your man" Francis has "left the Catholic faith," but on Sunday morning, he and the rest of the conciliar bishops, come crawling back into the Catholic Church from their conciliar perches, long enough to celebrate an invalid , protestant mass, and this makes them Catholic in your book?
If Brogoglio is, as you say, an anti-Christ head of a false conciliar church; He Cannot be the head of the Catholic Church. The same person cannot at once be both the devil AND the Vicar of CHRIST.

My earlier comments were a bit tongue in cheek, Huge. In fact, I was playing off the words of Fr. Pfeiffer in the sermon topic at hand. He said, and I repeat:

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Our religion is in God. Our truth is is God, and therefor we can be united to a wicked Francis; not only that, but unless we are united to him, we cannot go to Heaven. It matters whether or not we accept him as pope, it really does."

Fr. P said that Francis was "wicked," and if pressed, would probably concede that the pope is basically an anti-Christ. However, he cautions, you must nevertheless be "united to him." I you are not, you "cannot go to Heaven." Obviously what I'm getting at is this: If we reject the New Order on every other level; if we argue that those who run the conciliar church are evil, apostate and no longer have the Catholic faith, as did ABL; if we agree that the crimes of the NO church cry out to Heaven for vengeance: even so, we must remain united to pope Francis. Otherwise, we are practical sedes, and as a consequence, entrance into Heaven is automatically cut off. I think that position is all pretty silly on the face of it, don't you?

Emerentiana · « **Reply #303 on:** May 08, 2014, 05:01:11 PM »

Totally agree Hollingsworth. Fathers position and the position of the entire SSPX is absurd!

hollingsworth · « **Reply #304 on:** May 08, 2014, 05:24:44 PM »

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Totally agree Hollingsworth. Fathers position and the position of the entire SSPX is absurd!

But unless I'm wrong Father's position is that of the Society as it always was under ABL, for the most part. The Archbishop rejected Vatican 2 and the new church in every conceivable way. He excoriated the post-conciliar church with utter abandon. Yet, in all of that new church rejection, he was careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water. Though he called the new church leadership a bunch of "anti-Christs" and "apostates," he avoided including the pope, at least by directly linking him to those descriptions. He was always sympathetic to the sede position, I think. (Bp. Williamson certainly is). But Fr. Pheiffer carries the basic SSPX position a little farther than his mentor did. He claims, apparently, that any of us who reject the present papacy are not going to Heaven, but are, one must conclude, destined for Hell. These words need to be explained.