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As one who has been (in the past) not hesitant in advancing my thoughts on Father Pfeiffer's qualifications for a pointed hat (just look through my posts) I must say that this time I did find his sermon to be EXACTLY what the Archbishop would have said and EXACTLY what the church teaches on the questions he raised.

I am not, however, surprised that the bitterness of the attacks the talk and this thread has engendered are not the direct consequence of the complete collapse in other areas of ecclesiology.

First, the combative tones used here demonstrate the reality of the dictum of what happens when the "shepherd is struck"... armchair theology holds sway.

Second, Francis' confusing activities have driven more sensitive types directly into the arms of the sedevacantists with their (on the face of it) plausible theological arguments but upon careful comparison with ALL the magisterial teachings clearly problematic opinions.

Mr Arent (above) for example is a classic case of one who in the first fervor of the resistance fled to the sede refuge of Bishop Sanborn and now quite readily parrots lines from Vatican I that seem to "prove" ole' Frankie ain't what they think he is.

However, the same Council infallibly teaches a perpetual succession in the primacy until the end of time. Frankie isn't the only fly in the ointment if that teaching is to be held of faith (which it is) so where does that leave the Church since 1958 ? Bp. Sanborn officially (now) holds there hasn't been a Pope since 1958, though for the first year of his priesthood he mentioned Paul VI in the Canon of the Mass.

Clearly inquiring minds are just that INQUIRING and if sedes think they can magisterially bamboozle us into holding opinions upon which they have themselves changed (and continue to change) they are quite mistaken.

Bp. Williamson is quite correct to repeatedly say :"we live in confusing times" which means we are all confused because of these events but the Lord God is quite in control of the matter so why worry ?

St. Paul cautioned Timothy to stay clear of those who make pretense of religion but mitigate his power,  and who are "always learning but never able to reach a knowledge of the truth" (2 Tim 3: 5-7).

He also predicted "the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but following their own desires,  will surround themselves with teachers who tickle  their ears.  They will stop listening to the truth and will wander off to fables".

God has not failed in His promise to be with His Church. Modernism is not the first battle the Church has defeated not will be the last one.  There is a purpose to heresies.  They must exist until the end of time as a testing factor,  as st..Paul states.

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So, Father denies that the notorious public heretic losses all jurisdiction. My question to Father is if you are TRUELY "una cuм," why don't you really become one with the local heretical "bishop" and princess "pope" and submit to him like Bishop Fellay wants to? Because you want you're cardboard pope and eat him too.

Father, do you really believe you are one with Francis'
*Doctrines
*Disciplines
*Liturgies
*Morals

How can you be one with Francis when you don't recognize his canon law, his bad shepherd saints in Roncalli and Wojtyla, etc.

The true answer is that WE ARE NOT ONE WITH UNA cuм these heretics. We are rationally of a different religion. At this point, we can pray for their conversion as we should. But standing in front of the altar of God and claiming that we are of the same faith as these apostates is the true lie coming from hell, Father.

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Perfectly said.  The resistence priests speak more against the sedevacantists than about the Novus Ordo.  They must keep their people in line, and prevent them from coming to the logical conclusion that the sedevacantist  position is the only valid conclusion to tthe crisis.  Many are coming to that conclusion, and will go to the sede masses as well as the resistence.  Less funds will result.  
If the resistence has the same beliefs as the Neo SSPX, what are they accomplishing?

Sounds similar to the real reason the FSSP was created.