Yes, cliques and money hungry. I agree with you, Seraphina with everything you say.     Indult has its pant wearing veil wearing lady novus ordo.  Yes.  They all have their cliques.  These people lack Christian charity.  And you are going to find out that the 1 percent sitting in the pews especially women are supporting the party of death.   Yesterday, I had a bad experience at indult TLM with a nosy body pant wearing lady and a rude man.  
She picked on me and got in my face as I was preparing for confession before the smells and bells.  At the confessional everyone sits on long pew waiting.  I came to Mass early and the pew was full. I was standing.  A man with long hair wouldn’t slide down or offer me a seat so I had to pull a folding chair.  In the meantime there are teenage girls one wearing pants and another had short boy haircut coming in and out of Church laughing and giggling out loud while people were trying to pray.  I was preparing for confession and the man goes into Confessional.   This lady comes up to me and tells me to slide down when there really no need to.  Who is she to get in my face? She should have just minded her business.  She isn’t a priest.  I asked her why didn’t she tell the faggy like man to slide down when I as a woman needed to sit down. A real man would have stood up and offered a woman a place to sit or slid down. He was so femmy.  She never said a thing to the teenagers who were disruptive but she has to pick on me.   Then after comfession, I tried to be nice and said I would pray for her.  Her voice changed and her true self came out. She said touchet .   There are a lot of hypocrites at these Latin Masses.  

I can certainly relate to your above two posts, Viva Cristo Rey. I love the TLM, but those who attend it...not so much. 

One of the local Indult priests said in a sermon about a year ago that those who attend the TLM expect that the Mass itself will make them holy, but that no, it has to go beyond that. They (we) have to strive beyond that. There's some truth to what he said, I think. 

Does attendance at TLM necessarily supply behavior changing graces?  Apparently, not always

I'm so glad you said that.  I love the TLM. Those that attend it, not so much either.  From the FSSP to the SSPX to the sedevacantists.  
I despise the new Mass, but I have found more genuinely devout souls there than at any TLM chapel I've ever attended.  
 

Thank you, Alexandria, and well said.

Did someone say "Our Lady of Sorrows"?



I'm feeling silly; I couldn't resist.

I'm so glad you said that.  I love the TLM. Those that attend it, not so much either.  From the FSSP to the SSPX to the sedevacantists.  
I despise the new Mass, but I have found more genuinely devout souls there than at any TLM chapel I've ever attended.  
 

Have you ever attended the mission in Manhattan? I attend there and I believe we have and have had some good souls there who are devoted to Our Lady and Jesus. But we are a very small crowd and we do not bring in enough money. In fact last week Our Priest said that basically we bring in the least amount of money compared to our expenses of any SSPX mission in the country. But several times when we were low on money, some pious souls came in with big donations to save the boat from capsizing. I hope we make up for what we lack in money with our prayers.

But I have found good people in the local parishes with good hearts. More than trads as there are so many more of them.