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Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2019, 02:34:34 PM »
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  • Newbie,

    The image represents Nuestra Señora de la Santa Muerte otherwise referred to as "Santa Muerta".  Link

    It is a demonic cult-religion practiced initially in Mexico and now in the U.S.

    From the Phoenix perspective, Town Crier knows that one of Fr. Pfieffer's henchmen practices it.
    Before he hooked-up with Fr. Pfeiffer, he used to be a lay exorcist in the Phoenix area.

    And on this forum there have been many testimonies that Father's henchman practices the occult arts, by sacrificing animals
    and burning their corpses in offerings to the devil.  The ashes are in turn put into the food of unsuspecting Catholics for the purpose of putting a curse on them, generally known as a diabolical obsession.

    In my previous post, I gave a link with a qualified Catholic source on the practice of curses.

    So, it is quite relevant to this topic, in that no one seems to understand what is plaguing OLOS?
    And how ironically funny that the neoSSPX priests can't figure it out?

    But Fr. Pfeiffer's warlock henchman was at OLOS.  He walked the grounds and occupied the buildings, and surely left his mark.

    So Newbie, Santa Muerta is relevant to this topic, whether you understand it or not.
    First time I see the Santa Muerte depicted like that! The real one in her sanctuary in Tepito, Mexico City, has a scythe in one hand and a globe in the other. 

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #31 on: July 05, 2019, 01:17:27 AM »
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  • Please don’t mind me chiming in as an outsider who’s only knowledge of OLOS is from this thread, but to me the thought that one man, Pablo, may be the cause of all the problems, simply because he walked the grounds, inside and out, possibly casting spells and imparting an evil if not Satanic curse is the cause of OLOS decline I think is rediculus.

    By that logic, Our Lord and Lady would have had to ignore and even abandoned the hundreds of devout families, thousand if not millions of prayers and Sacred Masses that have been offered at OLOS over the years and turn their backs on all of these precious souls...all because of Pablo...REALLY?  OH MY!  

    I simply can’t believe that Our Lord and Lady are that merciless, that heartless.

    If you look around, what you describe at OLOS is happening at many Traditional Churches throughout the country, maybe more noticeable at OLOS.  

    When I first arrived at our church in 2003 it was literally standing room only. If you didn’t get there 15-20 minutes early you didn’t get a seat....and Fathers 45-60 minute sermons guaranteed you’d be standing for close to three hours.  Even with his long sermons no one ever walked out.

    He gave a battle cry, he warned the enemy was at the gate, he gave food for the soul that people needed to hear..WANTED to hear.  He was speaking truth, pearls of wisdom that souls scrambled to gather for themselves and their children.

    Then SUDDENLY that all stopped.  Father was gone and in his place a young kid.  A new priest who would take off his Maniple and lay it over the Missal and then take off his wrist watch, set the timer for 15 minutes, (while joking that he promised not to “torture” us like the other priest did) and lay it on the lectern.  Gone were the meat and potatoes needed to nourish our souls and in came the peanut butter and jelly. 

    The danger at the gate had disappeared.  The world was now pretty good.  This coupled with a new diocesan Latin Mass in a towering and beautiful church, with sermons once again warning that the enemy was at the gate...(even telling Mass attendees to be on guard with Francis, he’s a danger to your soul...yes by a diocesan priest) slowly but surely emptied the pews of our chapel.  You can now show up 20 minutes late and still find a seat.

    Many Traditional Catholic kids grow up and never come back...more than half.  Why?  I’ve heard some say they just didn’t “buy” all the “stories” anymore....over a hundred years since OL o Fatima and still no divine intervention, where are the modern miracle workers?  Why do Popes get worse and worse, even Traditional Catholics are left to fend for themselves almost abandoned without the sacraments....closest Mass 3-4 hours away.

    So with all that said.  I’d conclude that OLOS is the victim of attacks from multiple fronts, not just Pablo.  Even the SSPX itself is a primary cause.


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #32 on: July 05, 2019, 08:24:51 AM »
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  • Please don’t mind me chiming in as an outsider who’s only knowledge of OLOS is from this thread, but to me the thought that one man, Pablo, may be the cause of all the problems, simply because he walked the grounds, inside and out, possibly casting spells and imparting an evil if not Satanic curse is the cause of OLOS decline I think is rediculus.

    By that logic, Our Lord and Lady would have had to ignore and even abandoned the hundreds of devout families, thousand if not millions of prayers and Sacred Masses that have been offered at OLOS over the years and turn their backs on all of these precious souls...all because of Pablo...REALLY?  OH MY!  

    I simply can’t believe that Our Lord and Lady are that merciless, that heartless.

    If you look around, what you describe at OLOS is happening at many Traditional Churches throughout the country, maybe more noticeable at OLOS.  

    When I first arrived at our church in 2003 it was literally standing room only. If you didn’t get there 15-20 minutes early you didn’t get a seat....and Fathers 45-60 minute sermons guaranteed you’d be standing for close to three hours.  Even with his long sermons no one ever walked out.

    He gave a battle cry, he warned the enemy was at the gate, he gave food for the soul that people needed to hear..WANTED to hear.  He was speaking truth, pearls of wisdom that souls scrambled to gather for themselves and their children.

    Then SUDDENLY that all stopped.  Father was gone and in his place a young kid.  A new priest who would take off his Maniple and lay it over the Missal and then take off his wrist watch, set the timer for 15 minutes, (while joking that he promised not to “torture” us like the other priest did) and lay it on the lectern.  Gone were the meat and potatoes needed to nourish our souls and in came the peanut butter and jelly.

    The danger at the gate had disappeared.  The world was now pretty good.  This coupled with a new diocesan Latin Mass in a towering and beautiful church, with sermons once again warning that the enemy was at the gate...(even telling Mass attendees to be on guard with Francis, he’s a danger to your soul...yes by a diocesan priest) slowly but surely emptied the pews of our chapel.  You can now show up 20 minutes late and still find a seat.

    Many Traditional Catholic kids grow up and never come back...more than half.  Why?  I’ve heard some say they just didn’t “buy” all the “stories” anymore....over a hundred years since OL o Fatima and still no divine intervention, where are the modern miracle workers?  Why do Popes get worse and worse, even Traditional Catholics are left to fend for themselves almost abandoned without the sacraments....closest Mass 3-4 hours away.

    So with all that said.  I’d conclude that OLOS is the victim of attacks from multiple fronts, not just Pablo.  Even the SSPX itself is a primary cause.
    Bravo, Ekim!

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #33 on: July 05, 2019, 04:27:56 PM »
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  • Please don’t mind me chiming in as an outsider who’s only knowledge of OLOS is from this thread, but to me the thought that one man, Pablo, may be the cause of all the problems, simply because he walked the grounds, inside and out, possibly casting spells and imparting an evil if not Satanic curse is the cause of OLOS decline I think is rediculus.

    By that logic, Our Lord and Lady would have had to ignore and even abandoned the hundreds of devout families, thousand if not millions of prayers and Sacred Masses that have been offered at OLOS over the years and turn their backs on all of these precious souls...all because of Pablo...REALLY?  OH MY!  

    I simply can’t believe that Our Lord and Lady are that merciless, that heartless.

    If you look around, what you describe at OLOS is happening at many Traditional Churches throughout the country, maybe more noticeable at OLOS.  

    When I first arrived at our church in 2003 it was literally standing room only. If you didn’t get there 15-20 minutes early you didn’t get a seat....and Fathers 45-60 minute sermons guaranteed you’d be standing for close to three hours.  Even with his long sermons no one ever walked out.

    He gave a battle cry, he warned the enemy was at the gate, he gave food for the soul that people needed to hear..WANTED to hear.  He was speaking truth, pearls of wisdom that souls scrambled to gather for themselves and their children.

    Then SUDDENLY that all stopped.  Father was gone and in his place a young kid.  A new priest who would take off his Maniple and lay it over the Missal and then take off his wrist watch, set the timer for 15 minutes, (while joking that he promised not to “torture” us like the other priest did) and lay it on the lectern.  Gone were the meat and potatoes needed to nourish our souls and in came the peanut butter and jelly.

    The danger at the gate had disappeared.  The world was now pretty good.  This coupled with a new diocesan Latin Mass in a towering and beautiful church, with sermons once again warning that the enemy was at the gate...(even telling Mass attendees to be on guard with Francis, he’s a danger to your soul...yes by a diocesan priest) slowly but surely emptied the pews of our chapel.  You can now show up 20 minutes late and still find a seat.

    Many Traditional Catholic kids grow up and never come back...more than half.  Why?  I’ve heard some say they just didn’t “buy” all the “stories” anymore....over a hundred years since OL o Fatima and still no divine intervention, where are the modern miracle workers?  Why do Popes get worse and worse, even Traditional Catholics are left to fend for themselves almost abandoned without the sacraments....closest Mass 3-4 hours away.

    So with all that said.  I’d conclude that OLOS is the victim of attacks from multiple fronts, not just Pablo.  Even the SSPX itself is a primary cause.


    So you admit it's possible Pfeiffer's warlock, the "Lay-exorcist of Phoenix", imparted a curse on the property?

    You think it's possible?

    Here's an example of what one little (non professional) curse can do:

    It concerns the history of Anneliese Michelle, the German Catholic girl who was demonically possessed and died in 1976.



    The Catholic priests who administered her exorcism, determined the demonic gateway was through one distantly related family member's curse. 

    A sequence of events occurred after that, but her demonic possession became a national cause for those who believe in the devil and those who don't.

    A warlock's business is to create gateways.
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #34 on: July 07, 2019, 03:28:14 AM »
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  • Incred, anything is possible.  It is “possible” that you yourself cast a curse on OLOS or got voodoo doll of your enemies and put stick pins in them.  Any person can possibly walk into any church and possibly attempt to cast spells and call on evil spirits.

    What is possible is not my point.  My point is, that I (me...MY opinion) is that I believe it is rediculus to believe that Heaven would abandon OLOS because of Pablo.  There must be many other factors contributing to their problems, including the leadership (to where and what are they leading is not the point of this thread) of the SSPX.  The decline of SSPX I Chapels is being seen in many areas of the U.S.  Life long parishioners see their children not returning to Tradition.  Resistance Chapels are not overflowing with souls clamoring to get inside.

    The lure of the world, sin, technology, the abandonment of Catholicism universally, have all played a roll in the destruction of Catholic Tradition both at OLOS and the nation at large.

    If you want to discuss Anneliese Michelle, that might be good fodder for a new thread under a different folder (not SSPX Resistance).


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #35 on: August 03, 2019, 10:46:02 PM »
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  • Town Cry Baby: I find it interesting that it took you six months to come back to me with your caustic remarks. I would think that after I pointed out that so much of the information that you wrote about was incorrect that you would accept what was said and move on. But no Town Cry Baby, you just cannot leave alone what someone says. You even try to label me now. I will say this that until I find something better, than I do not plan to leave this parish, just like you have not left either. Am I 100 % truly happy with events? Of course not. As far as attendance at the Mass, I simply ask the ushers what the attendance count was  for the two Masses. I do not make things up like that. The same goes for the donations; I ask.At the old building, a really good head count for the two Masses was about 375. For us now it is about 650. It varies of course and some days it is much lower.  For you to say that we only have 300 people attending the Mass is not true. We will easily have over 300 at either Mass, but again, not always. Overall attendance is creeping up. Overall donations are creeping up. Is attendance double and tripling, of course not. The same goes for donations. I think that you should spend more time on other issues such as Hooligan has  done. He has made many people aware  of a dangerous situation for these young adults that is happening at the new school. This is something that needs to be addressed by our Priests as these children belong to this parish. You redundant remarks about the church building, and how ugly it is and how you feel that we were cheated and blackmailed is tiring. No, it is not something that needs to be forgotten, but we get it it Town Cry Baby and we need to address other issues. I know you said that you have been here since 1984 and you above anyone else with this much time at the parish probably knows it inside out and backwards and forwards. Because of this, one cannot have but respect for your opinions, but please make darn sure that what you say is right one the money. I felt that your remarks on Father McFarland deserve an apology to him. I am not here to be an enemy to anyone, I just like the facts that are stated to be correct, not here say.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #36 on: August 04, 2019, 12:35:11 AM »
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  • GOOD COMMENTS... OLOS is going to be fine!  As for Pablo, I don't think he put a curse on OLOS.  I mean, I used to look at him and think to me self, "somewhere in Mexico a village is missing it's idiot!"  The devil and demons are real and can oppress and possess, but if they are doing anything via Pablo I doubt he can be given the credit for it.  The devil has more bravado than to stoop to acting on the beckoning of weirdo Pablo.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #37 on: August 04, 2019, 05:41:12 PM »
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  • Town Cry Baby: I find it interesting that it took you six months to come back to me with your caustic remarks. I would think that after I pointed out that so much of the information that you wrote about was incorrect that you would accept what was said and move on. But no Town Cry Baby, you just cannot leave alone what someone says. You even try to label me now. I will say this that until I find something better, than I do not plan to leave this parish, just like you have not left either. Am I 100 % truly happy with events? Of course not. As far as attendance at the Mass, I simply ask the ushers what the attendance count was  for the two Masses. I do not make things up like that. The same goes for the donations; I ask.At the old building, a really good head count for the two Masses was about 375. For us now it is about 650. It varies of course and some days it is much lower.  For you to say that we only have 300 people attending the Mass is not true. We will easily have over 300 at either Mass, but again, not always. Overall attendance is creeping up. Overall donations are creeping up. Is attendance double and tripling, of course not.
    First off lets discuss your post ,we will get to the insults and name calling later
    Now I don't think you would out-n-out lie . I think it is more of a case of misinformation and twisting the facts to fit your opinion . You said:

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    At the old building, a really good head count for the two Masses was about 375.

    You are right for 2 Masses it was around 375 but we had 3 Masses and you know that. So with just another 125 we are already up to 500 and it was never as low as 125 most of the time it was around 200.

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    For us now it is about 650. It varies of course and some days it is much lower.

    Your right some days it is lower . Like every day .We havent hit 650 for months and you know it. even during school or catechism season. Last week there was barely 175 for high Mass
    Lunatic attendance and donations are not creeping up and you know that but I will not chastise you for that as I think your intentions are honorable misplaced but honorable none the less. You are just trying to spare the church from scandal but Lunatic "The truth will set you free" think about it.

    I will get to the insults and name calling in a later post as I have given you a lot to think about
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #38 on: August 05, 2019, 08:56:09 PM »
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  • So now 2 priests are gone or going. Fr. Prescott left the SSPX altogether , Fr Haynos had to go all way up to the superior general to get reassigned . This comes after we were told there would be no more transfers for at least a few years after what this parish had been through with our revolving door priory.
    Just like everything else District tells us we take a wait-and-see attitude as they make changes no matter what they say or promise. Now I realize the district cannot control what happens to a Priest once he gets here and becomes aware of what a unworkable disarray this parish is in, though maybe they should prepare these priests better for what they are in store for  
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #39 on: August 05, 2019, 09:53:24 PM »
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  • Did Fr. Haynos leave because he is disgruntled?  If so, why?

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #40 on: August 05, 2019, 09:55:06 PM »
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  • TC,

    The constant pall over OLOS has the markings of a diabolical obsession.

    Anyone who takes the occult for granted, is bound to suffer from it, not knowing the source of the problems?

    If you read through Father Amorth's definitions and explanations, you'll start to get an eye for it.  

    Father Amorth on six types of demonic activity

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #41 on: August 05, 2019, 10:25:15 PM »
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  • So now 2 priests are gone or going. Fr. Prescott left the SSPX altogether , Fr Haynos had to go all way up to the superior general to get reassigned . This comes after we were told there would be no more transfers for at least a few years after what this parish had been through with our revolving door priory.
    Just like everything else District tells us we take a wait-and-see attitude as they make changes no matter what they say or promise. Now I realize the district cannot control what happens to a Priest once he gets here and becomes aware of what a unworkable disarray this parish is in, though maybe they should prepare these priests better for what they are in store for  
    Where did Fr. Prescott leave to?
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #42 on: August 05, 2019, 10:27:42 PM »
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  • Where did Fr. Prescott leave to?
    to the Phoenix diocese
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    « Reply #43 on: August 05, 2019, 10:29:14 PM »
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  • to the Phoenix diocese
    I guess he figured, "Why wait?"

    Interesting that the SSPX suffers more defections to the dioceses than to the Resistance these days.

    Says something about the formation and culture.
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    « Reply #44 on: August 05, 2019, 10:54:23 PM »
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  • Says something about the formation
    Did the SSPX's seminary instructors drastically change within the past few years (since the opening of their seminary in Virginia?)?
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