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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Town Crier on December 12, 2018, 09:34:55 PM
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I am sorry about that first attempt at a new post. I originally wrote it in word and then tried to "cut and paste" I hope someone can delete it
Thank You
I have deferred posting as we had a completely new group of priests assigned to Our Lady Of Sorrows.
It was my hope as I'm sure it was for many others that the new Prior Fr.McFarland would be the great unifier as promised. Sadly this is not the case. All The work done in that regard by Fr. Stafki in his last months here have withered on the vine as they say. The young adults group rarely if ever meet. The Holy Name Society ,though try as they might is but a former shell of itself and the ladies auxiliary was all but nonexistent on their last meeting day
Oh let us not forget the school. With our new priests there was going to be a 'redoubling" of their effort to expand the school and offer new courses and activities. again sadly not the case. there is no new courses or activities and as far as expanding goes we have just 2 high school students. There has been no parish meeting as promised and I am hard pressed to remember the last time we had a High Mass.
Some will say I have not allowed enough time for the new priests to acclimate ,That I must allow for transition, that they were ill prepared for a parish so fractured as ours.
Maybe my detractors are right but how long are we to wait for ours to be like every other large SSPX parish in North America?
Collections are down .Parish attendance is down. It seems that the only thing that is growing is a sense of malaise at the time of year when we normally see the greatest activity and highest numbers in attendance ,visitors and collections.
It is sad what has become of a once growing traditional parish
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There is no longer a High Mass on Sunday??
Why not?
Six priests in residence and no High Mass?
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Wow, sounds like the chapel needs a full exorcism of the neo-SSPX demons.
How is Fr. Pederson making out?
This is his first duty in live combat.
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Some will say I have not allowed enough time for the new priests to acclimate ,That I must allow for transition, that they were ill prepared for a parish so fractured as ours.
Maybe my detractors are right but how long are we to wait for ours to be like every other large SSPX parish in North America?o
It sounds to me that your sspx chapel is already like every other large sspx parish in NA. Don't you understand? The sspx hierarchy moves priests around as a control mechanism. They don't want priests to become too beloved, or to become too entrenched, or clothed with too much power in any single sspx parish setting. They must show the faithful that they have the authority to do with these priests as they please, whenever they please. They do the best they can to keep their priests on a leash
What these folks are really about is running a fairly large business and manufacturing enterprise out of Menzingen. The Menzingen bosses, among their other business interests, manufacture donors like yourself to help keep the enterprise running. You don't understand this yet? Gosh, I wish someone could break it to you less harshly. We pray that all you guileless sspx hangers on, when once you realize the betrayal of your leaders, and begin to fall into despair, will have a soft landing in the end.
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I have just heard this morning that Fr. McFarland has requested to be reassigned this coming summer
This is only natural. If you think the ship is beyond repair it makes no sense to waste your time bailing water. There are plenty of other ships or parishes if you prefer and in Fr. Mcfarlands defence he had no idea of the state of our parish . All you have to do is meet him or just see him walking the grounds and it is obvious he is not happy . who could blame him, sent under false pretenses to a school on the verge of closing ,to a parish fractured and apathetic oh and worst of all ,the very cause of all these troubles a unfinished glorified warehouse to say Mass in . That BTW is being kept unfinished until we pay the debt off
Fr. McFarland was not privy to any of this or the blackmail
So I ask again Who can blame him ?
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The Phoenix priory may be Fr. Wegner's biggest failure to date.
Providence does not allow him, as in Post Falls, to declare "the scandal is over!"
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We all ought to weep and pray for Fr. McFarland. Though I've never seen or met him, it is difficult to conceive that he is anything but a good and sincere young priest who wants nothing more than to please his God and bring honor to the family that helped him lovingly in the direction of the priesthood. I was saddened by the post which informs us that he is not happy in Phoenix. It is a dark day.
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We all ought to weep and pray for Fr. McFarland. Though I've never seen or met him, it is difficult to conceive that he is anything but a good and sincere young priest who wants nothing more than to please his God and bring honor to the family that helped him lovingly in the direction of the priesthood. I was saddened by the post which informs us that he is not happy in Phoenix. It is a dark day.
Thank You for that post
It was exactly what I was trying to convey. I pray he gets his transfer and puts this parish behind him. It would do him well to seek the counsel of other priests who have asked to be reassigned from this place. It would be a shame if he thought he were alone and the fault was his
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Fr. McFarland is a nice priests, but like most of the nice young priests coming out of the SSPX seminary, they are not prepared for the combat that comes with a parish. Their experience has always been in the academic setting or other ordered settings (schools) where they are in charge of younger people (kids) or parish organizations (docile perishers). The SSPX should only put highly experienced priests in charge of a priory and then have the younger priests as assistants so they can experience without being fully in-charge. Plus it would help to visit mental hospitals, abused children or prisons to get accustomed dealing with people from different backgrounds and serious issues.
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We all ought to weep and pray for Fr. McFarland. Though I've never seen or met him, it is difficult to conceive that he is anything but a good and sincere young priest who wants nothing more than to please his God and bring honor to the family that helped him lovingly in the direction of the priesthood. I was saddened by the post which informs us that he is not happy in Phoenix. It is a dark day.
Indeed, it will be a "dark day" for all 700+ SSPX priests and the Catholic remnant when Menzingen makes an accord with the Destroyer pope.
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Mr. G: The SSPX should only put highly experienced priests in charge of a priory and then have the younger priests as assistants so they can experience without being fully in-charge. Plus it would help to visit mental hospitals, abused children or prisons to get accustomed dealing with people from different backgrounds and serious issues.
I wasn’t aware that sspx had many “highly experienced priests.” But aren’t the few who qualify in this regard usually given jobs at headquarters, far away from rank and file parishioners? I know of only one sspx priest in my experience who did much visitation of any kind, and that certainly wasn’t to mental hospitals or abused children facilities.
SSPX priests specialize in liturgical things and breviary reading. They’re like hired domestics who don’t do windows. But you can’t blame them for that. It’s the way they’ve been trained. Charitable acts are not normally a part of their job description.
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I wasn’t aware that sspx had many “highly experienced priests.” But aren’t the few who qualify in this regard usually given jobs at headquarters, far away from rank and file parishioners? I know of only one sspx priest in my experience who did much visitation of any kind, and that certainly wasn’t to mental hospitals or abused children facilities.
SSPX priests specialize in liturgical things and breviary reading. They’re like hired domestics who don’t do windows. But you can’t blame them for that. It’s the way they’ve been trained. Charitable acts are not normally a part of their job description.
The visitations to hospitals, etc. is a recommendation for their training to help them deal with the various problems they will have to deal with as a parish priests. I would not recommend it as their on going apostolate, unless the SSPX starts a sub-group of priests dedicated for that cause.
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Fr. McFarland is a nice priests, but like most of the nice young priests coming out of the SSPX seminary, they are not prepared for the combat that comes with a parish. Their experience has always been in the academic setting or other ordered settings (schools) where they are in charge of younger people (kids) or parish organizations (docile perishers). The SSPX should only put highly experienced priests in charge of a priory and then have the younger priests as assistants so they can experience without being fully in-charge. Plus it would help to visit mental hospitals, abused children or prisons to get accustomed dealing with people from different backgrounds and serious issues.
I would go one further.
I've heard good things about this or that priest who is part of the "new crop" of priests coming out of the American SSPX Seminary (formerly Winona, MN -- now in Virginia).
Nevertheless, their good will or personal holiness will be limited/challenged by the organization they belong to, the neo-SSPX. While it's true that there are "good priests" in the neo-SSPX, it's also equally true that the organization, as such, is compromised, fallen, and therefore evil. Evil sounds like a strong word, but I can't think of any other word for an organization which is trying to bring Catholics to lay down their arms and stop fighting Vatican II like an ultimate evil, superheresy, which must be avoided AT ALL COSTS. That is how I was raised as as Trad. That's what the SSPX used to be about. Now they focus on the "positives" and all the good things within the Conciliar Church and Vatican II.
The old Traditional Catholic rallying cry was/is "Vatican II must be destroyed." Like the old Carthago delenda est.
The new SSPX rallying cry is "Vatican II isn't as bad as you think."
NO THANKS.
Vatican II is worse than you think. However bad you think Vatican II is -- it's actually worse.
Three truths of Catholicism: You can't love God too much, you can't praise Our Blessed Mother too much, and you can't criticize Vatican II too much. I mean that literally and I'm dead serious.
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The visitations to hospitals, etc. is a recommendation for their training to help them deal with the various problems they will have to deal with as a parish priests. I would not recommend it as their on going apostolate, unless the SSPX starts a sub-group of priests dedicated for that cause.
The SSPX used to have priests who were quite apostolic, even going door-to-door to make converts. I've met some of those converts who told their story of how they joined the chapel. The SSPX used to have awesome priests among their number (which is why I was a fervent, pro-SSPX supporter for many years!), but unfortunately most have left, been compromised/spiritually neutered, or were sent to the far reaches of the empire where they won't get in the way.
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Three truths of Catholicism: You can't love God too much, you can't praise Our Blessed Mother too much, and you can't criticize Vatican II too much. I mean that literally and I'm dead serious.
Yes, this is so true!
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Three truths of Catholicism: You can't love God too much, you can't praise Our Blessed Mother too much, and you can't criticize Vatican II too much. I mean that literally and I'm dead serious.
And a corollary:
Saying
"Vatican II isn't THAT bad"
"Vatican II isn't a superheresy"
"95% of Vatican II is OK"
is a HUGE RED FLAG that should cause any good Catholic to put up huge walls of separation.
What are the biggest hallmarks of Vatican II? Confusion. A double tongue. Chaos. Capitulation to the Modern World. Are these the hallmarks of the Holy Ghost, or of the devil himself? I'd have to argue the latter.
Vatican II is of the devil. It needs to be solemnly condemned by a future pope, and thrown into the dustbin of history. 100% of it. We won't be missing anything. Vatican II defined no new doctrine, unless you count heresies! Any "truths" found in Vatican II docuмents are printed right next to foul lies, placed there to make the lies more palatable! Vatican II is the work of satan and his minions, the Freemasons.
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Matthew: The SSPX used to have priests who were quite apostolic, even going door-to-door to make converts. I've met some of those converts who told their story of how they joined the chapel. The SSPX used to have awesome priests among their number (which is why I was a fervent, pro-SSPX supporter for many years!),
I don’t want to be unfair to sspx priests. I can only say that from a pretty active participation with the Society from 2005 to 2012 in Post Falls, we were not aware of priests going door to door. Much less did we ever find priests, of the always 6 or 7 priests stationed at ICC, doing acts of charity like going to hospitals, rest homes , jails, mental health facilities, and doing other acts of mercy outside the parish - with the exception of one. And what he did, for the most part, was to bring Communion to shut-ins from the parish, as well as to visit ICC parishioners in hospitals parishioners occasionally.
If there are sspx priests currently participating in charitable community service ministries, then it must be elsewhere.
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I don’t want to be unfair to sspx priests. I can only say that from a pretty active participation with the Society from 2005 to 2012 in Post Falls, we were not aware of priests going door to door. Much less did we ever find priests, of the always 6 or 7 priests stationed at ICC, doing acts of charity like going to hospitals, rest homes , jails, mental health facilities, and doing other acts of mercy outside the parish - with the exception of one. And what he did, for the most part, was to bring Communion to shut-ins from the parish, as well as to visit ICC parishioners in hospitals parishioners occasionally.
If there are sspx priests currently participating in charitable community service ministries, then it must be elsewhere.
First of all, your 7 years experience only covers Post Falls. There is a wide world outside that locality.
Second, SSPX priests are too few in number to collectively excel at all 14 Works of Mercy (7 spiritual and 7 corporal)
The Conciliar Church has "the body" well taken care of. The SSPX specialized in those neglected Spiritual works of mercy -- especially instructing the ignorant, admonishing the sinner, counseling the doubtful, praying for the living and the dead. Think about it: the Novus Ordo completely doesn't pray for the dead; they have them in heaven already!
As for visiting hospitals, prisons, and what not, we should be careful to criticize ALL priests with a broad brush. You'd have to point to something the priest shouldn't be doing, where he'd have more time to minister to various groups. SSPX priests often have to teach and/or help administer in SSPX schools during the week. That is time well spent. The SSPX can only spend his 15 hours a day once, just like any of us. The SSPX priests already have daily Masses to say, correspondence with Faithful, their daily breviary, Spiritual Duties (spiritual reading, Rosary, meditation, Scripture reading, preparing sermons, personal prayers) plus normal personal care (eating, showering, bathroom breaks, etc.) Most SSPX priests have a certain amount of travel each week as well.
And I question the value of going in to some random prison that no one asked you to come to. Many SSPX parishioners get insufficient time with their priests already. In the Trad world, there is a real priest shortage for things like advice and spiritual direction. The priest can only be in one location at a time, during which time he is literally ignoring every other location on earth. He has to prioritize and make choices.
If a priest is wasting his hours away (socializing, recreation, sports, TV, etc.), then he is to be blamed. But I will only criticize such priests individually. I'm not going to complain in a general manner, because that's silly.
Maybe it's the same reason we haven't taken back the world, or taken back the Church yet: Because we can't. i.e., we have insufficient manpower and resources.
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Remember that the Church used to have different Religious Orders for different vocations.
Today, most SSPX young men with a vocation will end up in the SSPX, even if they normally would have ended up Franciscan, Dominican, or Benedictine.
I know there are traditional Dominicans, but some young men have an issue with moving to France and/or learning French. I certainly fit into that category back in the day! I felt no calling at all to learn French, and I was a language nerd -- I loved studying foreign languages! Maybe it's because no part of me is French.
What I'm saying is: what does a priest do in his spare time? Some Dominican-leaning SSPX priests might choose to study and/or write a book -- i.e., teach others. Some Salesian-leaning SSPX priests might want to work with youths as much as they can. Others might choose to spend more time in contemplation, or practicing/recording Gregorian chant. Others want to spend extra time with the Liturgy and that department. Others might want to minister to the public in various ways.
The SSPX vocation is kind of a misc-bucket now. 100 years ago, those vocations would have been divided up among many different Orders.
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The SSPX should only put highly experienced priests in charge of a priory and then have the younger priests as assistants so they can experience without being fully in-charge.
You are absolutely right BUT In the case of OLOS Phoenix the highly experienced priests of the SSPX make it perfectly clear they don't want to be assigned here. We have seen 4 priors come and go in less than 5 years. The last one was Fr. McDonald assistant to Fr. Wegner. He lasted about a year. Even he could not mend this fractured unhappy parish and returned to his former position. All the younger priests and there have been many have also left only to be replaced ..over and over it goes. All is not lost though. Next year the school will have at most half the pupils it does now,If the expansion of the break-away school goes as planned. This could create a situation where the school is closed Maybe then the superiors admit something is wrong here
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John McFarland requested that I post:
Would you please inform the Cathinfo membership that Fr. McFarland has advised his mother that he has not asked to be transferred.
This was hardly news; the whole idea of him of all people as a quitter in the first inning was a matter of some amusement en famille.
Father is not a smiley, gladhanding sort of guy, which I presume is where the idea that he does not look happy comes from. .
His family did not lovingly groom him for the priesthood. He come to tradition and the priesthood off his own bat. As he said at his ordination reception, what we did was to raise him a Catholic.
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Well , that is what happens when there is no communication, no interaction Rumors will fly.
but regardless if he is staying or going Fr.McFarland was still sent to a school on the verge of closing ,to a parish fractured and apathetic oh and worst of all ,the very cause of all these troubles a unfinished glorified warehouse to say Mass in . That BTW is being kept unfinished until we pay the debt off and that is indisputable
My heart goes out to him that he be sent here. I pray St.Vianney give him strength
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Because there are so many posts on the parish of Our Lady of Sorrows, my comments will not be in order. I do wish to commend Matthew on his comments in that he appears to try to give a fair and unbiased view on this subject. I am sure Town Crier will came back to make remarks on what I say, as he cannot seem to just read what someone else says and take it for what it is; more information about what is really going on. So let me address a few things and they will not be in order.
1) The School: Well since the first of the school year, the school has grown with several new families. Also one family from the other school has decided that they did not like the direction that it was taking with its' Novus Ordo principal and has come back. There are not 2 high school students like what was stated but actually 16. I spoke with a high school teacher. While in the prior year $90,000 was raised with the jog -a -thon, even with the reduced enrollment, approximately $70,000 was raised this year when it was all said and done. Going to fold up and go away as a school? Hardly!
2) I was glad to see the information about Father McFarland not asking for a transfer. What a pity that someone started this silly tale! I would think that you Town Crier would say that you are sorry to Father McFarland until you could prove it true; which it was not. Next time ask him to his face. That is what I try to do.
3) Everyone ( at least I thought they did), realized that Father McDonald was not going to be at this church long. He was sent in to try to straighten things out while a new priest was found to replace Father Stafki. So why the surprise here? He continued to do his other duties as before, so that tells me that he was never going to be here long.
4) On Priests going out in the community. I personally know of one the priests that is sent all over to give people Communion, to hear Confessions, et cetera. He went to Quartzite, Payson, to jails, to hospitals. Along with myself, I know of at least 4 other people that the priests went to see in the hospital. In fact when I was in my accident, the priest was in the operating room to make sure that I was okay, but if not, he was there to give me Last Rites. Another lady I know was in a like situation and the priest had to be told to move out of the way so that the doctors could do their thing!
5) To call Our Lady of Sorrows an " unfinished glorified warehouse" to me is an insult to all of us that have put time and donations into building this beautiful church. Yes, it is not finished. We that go there are all aware of it. Yet I still think that it is a beautiful church, and I feel so lucky to have it. There was a lady at retreat here recently and she commented on how beautiful the church was. She said at her church that when it rains, that the sewer backs up and sewage is all over the floor. Yes I want it finished too. We all do! Yet instead of hearing the same story all over again, why do you not see if there is something that you as persons can do to raise money to help put down that debt. I know you head that a recent parishioner that has passed away, donated enough funds to knock about 6.5 years off of the back end of the mortgage!
6) You state that donations and attendance is down. For the last three weeks, two out of three times, we reached new attendance records! Donations were way up. I am not talking in comparison to the dedication first Mass, I am talking standard attendance. And yes I have seen the figures; not some rumor.
7) A lot of things that have been stated are true and I will not deny that. I will not deny that we have problems, just like any other parish. Yet, I just wish people would do a little more concrete research before spouting off at the mouth.
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6) You state that donations and attendance is down. For the last three weeks, two out of three times, we reached new attendance records! Donations were way up. I am not talking in comparison to the dedication first Mass, I am talking standard attendance. And yes I have seen the figures; not some rumor.
How is it that you have seen "the figures" ? You seem to possess a lot of information that is otherwise not public knowledge. Interesting point of fact though I have repeatedly asked you what the attendance is now compared to the church at its previous location and you won't answer. After all as you stated you have seen "the figures". Why is that I wonder ? You are a sspx-no-matter-what supporter after all. You should be telling us all how the church has doubled and tripled in numbers .Is that not what we were told was going to happen ? That the huge increase in donations is paying for EVERYTHING we need. Is that not what we were told was going to happen ? Well why aren't you spreading the good news lunatic ??
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Instead of blaming the priests, maybe the blame is the people. The moral is low in most chapels. It’s always the same small group of people doing the work. In several chapels we have visited, young people aren't helping out or doing their share of work. And maybe there isn’t a high Mass because there isn’t a choir. There are too many cliques. Then there are many adults who come to see what they can get for free from going to Church. Then you have the rude negative people who scare any new parishioners away. And this is everywhere; not just SSPX. Stop being snobby know -it -all while looking down on people. If you treat people with charity, they will want to come back and support the Church financially. You need the Legion of Mary and other lay groups to go door knocking inviting people to come to Jesus. Take your old church bulletin and place it at your local supermarkets. Invite family and friends to Mass and fundraisers to convert those who have turned away from God.
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Hmm... what IS wrong with OLOS?
No one can figure it out, but maybe the answer is very simple?
How about a curse being put on the property?
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A "diabolical obsession" at the chapel, originating during Fr. Pfeiffer's tenure?
Father Amorth says it is certainly possible: Link (https://tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2018/02/father-gabriele-amorth-on-spiritual.html)
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Shame on you for posting such a blasphemous picture of Our Lady of Guadalupe. I hope Matthew removes the picture immediately.
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Newbie,
The image represents Nuestra Señora de la Santa Muerte otherwise referred to as "Santa Muerta". Link (http://Nuestra Señora de la Santa Muerte)
It is a demonic cult-religion practiced initially in Mexico and now in the U.S.
From the Phoenix perspective, Town Crier knows that one of Fr. Pfieffer's henchmen practices it.
Before he hooked-up with Fr. Pfeiffer, he used to be a lay exorcist in the Phoenix area.
And on this forum there have been many testimonies that Father's henchman practices the occult arts, by sacrificing animals
and burning their corpses in offerings to the devil. The ashes are in turn put into the food of unsuspecting Catholics for the purpose of putting a curse on them, generally known as a diabolical obsession.
In my previous post, I gave a link with a qualified Catholic source on the practice of curses.
So, it is quite relevant to this topic, in that no one seems to understand what is plaguing OLOS?
And how ironically funny that the neoSSPX priests can't figure it out?
But Fr. Pfeiffer's warlock henchman was at OLOS. He walked the grounds and occupied the buildings, and surely left his mark.
So Newbie, Santa Muerta is relevant to this topic, whether you understand it or not.
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That very well could be. There must be some kind of explanation for the soul crushing turn around that occurred with the building of the new church. We once had a happy and growing community where parishioners participated in church clubs ,3rd order & religious confraternities. We had BBQs and potlucks. We had multiple persessions every year with banners, statues and load speakers with 300+ strong.OLoS was a truly happy, welcoming place All of that is gone now. We all know what happened but we don't really know the why. Why things got so bad so fast. Maybe Incredulous has a valid point. Pablo was all over that property in and out of the priory and church without impediment
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Newbie,
The image represents Nuestra Señora de la Santa Muerte otherwise referred to as "Santa Muerta". Link (http://Nuestra Señora de la Santa Muerte)
It is a demonic cult-religion practiced initially in Mexico and now in the U.S.
From the Phoenix perspective, Town Crier knows that one of Fr. Pfieffer's henchmen practices it.
Before he hooked-up with Fr. Pfeiffer, he used to be a lay exorcist in the Phoenix area.
And on this forum there have been many testimonies that Father's henchman practices the occult arts, by sacrificing animals
and burning their corpses in offerings to the devil. The ashes are in turn put into the food of unsuspecting Catholics for the purpose of putting a curse on them, generally known as a diabolical obsession.
In my previous post, I gave a link with a qualified Catholic source on the practice of curses.
So, it is quite relevant to this topic, in that no one seems to understand what is plaguing OLOS?
And how ironically funny that the neoSSPX priests can't figure it out?
But Fr. Pfeiffer's warlock henchman was at OLOS. He walked the grounds and occupied the buildings, and surely left his mark.
So Newbie, Santa Muerta is relevant to this topic, whether you understand it or not.
First time I see the Santa Muerte depicted like that! The real one in her sanctuary in Tepito, Mexico City, has a scythe in one hand and a globe in the other.
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Please don’t mind me chiming in as an outsider who’s only knowledge of OLOS is from this thread, but to me the thought that one man, Pablo, may be the cause of all the problems, simply because he walked the grounds, inside and out, possibly casting spells and imparting an evil if not Satanic curse is the cause of OLOS decline I think is rediculus.
By that logic, Our Lord and Lady would have had to ignore and even abandoned the hundreds of devout families, thousand if not millions of prayers and Sacred Masses that have been offered at OLOS over the years and turn their backs on all of these precious souls...all because of Pablo...REALLY? OH MY!
I simply can’t believe that Our Lord and Lady are that merciless, that heartless.
If you look around, what you describe at OLOS is happening at many Traditional Churches throughout the country, maybe more noticeable at OLOS.
When I first arrived at our church in 2003 it was literally standing room only. If you didn’t get there 15-20 minutes early you didn’t get a seat....and Fathers 45-60 minute sermons guaranteed you’d be standing for close to three hours. Even with his long sermons no one ever walked out.
He gave a battle cry, he warned the enemy was at the gate, he gave food for the soul that people needed to hear..WANTED to hear. He was speaking truth, pearls of wisdom that souls scrambled to gather for themselves and their children.
Then SUDDENLY that all stopped. Father was gone and in his place a young kid. A new priest who would take off his Maniple and lay it over the Missal and then take off his wrist watch, set the timer for 15 minutes, (while joking that he promised not to “torture” us like the other priest did) and lay it on the lectern. Gone were the meat and potatoes needed to nourish our souls and in came the peanut butter and jelly.
The danger at the gate had disappeared. The world was now pretty good. This coupled with a new diocesan Latin Mass in a towering and beautiful church, with sermons once again warning that the enemy was at the gate...(even telling Mass attendees to be on guard with Francis, he’s a danger to your soul...yes by a diocesan priest) slowly but surely emptied the pews of our chapel. You can now show up 20 minutes late and still find a seat.
Many Traditional Catholic kids grow up and never come back...more than half. Why? I’ve heard some say they just didn’t “buy” all the “stories” anymore....over a hundred years since OL o Fatima and still no divine intervention, where are the modern miracle workers? Why do Popes get worse and worse, even Traditional Catholics are left to fend for themselves almost abandoned without the sacraments....closest Mass 3-4 hours away.
So with all that said. I’d conclude that OLOS is the victim of attacks from multiple fronts, not just Pablo. Even the SSPX itself is a primary cause.
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Please don’t mind me chiming in as an outsider who’s only knowledge of OLOS is from this thread, but to me the thought that one man, Pablo, may be the cause of all the problems, simply because he walked the grounds, inside and out, possibly casting spells and imparting an evil if not Satanic curse is the cause of OLOS decline I think is rediculus.
By that logic, Our Lord and Lady would have had to ignore and even abandoned the hundreds of devout families, thousand if not millions of prayers and Sacred Masses that have been offered at OLOS over the years and turn their backs on all of these precious souls...all because of Pablo...REALLY? OH MY!
I simply can’t believe that Our Lord and Lady are that merciless, that heartless.
If you look around, what you describe at OLOS is happening at many Traditional Churches throughout the country, maybe more noticeable at OLOS.
When I first arrived at our church in 2003 it was literally standing room only. If you didn’t get there 15-20 minutes early you didn’t get a seat....and Fathers 45-60 minute sermons guaranteed you’d be standing for close to three hours. Even with his long sermons no one ever walked out.
He gave a battle cry, he warned the enemy was at the gate, he gave food for the soul that people needed to hear..WANTED to hear. He was speaking truth, pearls of wisdom that souls scrambled to gather for themselves and their children.
Then SUDDENLY that all stopped. Father was gone and in his place a young kid. A new priest who would take off his Maniple and lay it over the Missal and then take off his wrist watch, set the timer for 15 minutes, (while joking that he promised not to “torture” us like the other priest did) and lay it on the lectern. Gone were the meat and potatoes needed to nourish our souls and in came the peanut butter and jelly.
The danger at the gate had disappeared. The world was now pretty good. This coupled with a new diocesan Latin Mass in a towering and beautiful church, with sermons once again warning that the enemy was at the gate...(even telling Mass attendees to be on guard with Francis, he’s a danger to your soul...yes by a diocesan priest) slowly but surely emptied the pews of our chapel. You can now show up 20 minutes late and still find a seat.
Many Traditional Catholic kids grow up and never come back...more than half. Why? I’ve heard some say they just didn’t “buy” all the “stories” anymore....over a hundred years since OL o Fatima and still no divine intervention, where are the modern miracle workers? Why do Popes get worse and worse, even Traditional Catholics are left to fend for themselves almost abandoned without the sacraments....closest Mass 3-4 hours away.
So with all that said. I’d conclude that OLOS is the victim of attacks from multiple fronts, not just Pablo. Even the SSPX itself is a primary cause.
Bravo, Ekim!
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Please don’t mind me chiming in as an outsider who’s only knowledge of OLOS is from this thread, but to me the thought that one man, Pablo, may be the cause of all the problems, simply because he walked the grounds, inside and out, possibly casting spells and imparting an evil if not Satanic curse is the cause of OLOS decline I think is rediculus.
By that logic, Our Lord and Lady would have had to ignore and even abandoned the hundreds of devout families, thousand if not millions of prayers and Sacred Masses that have been offered at OLOS over the years and turn their backs on all of these precious souls...all because of Pablo...REALLY? OH MY!
I simply can’t believe that Our Lord and Lady are that merciless, that heartless.
If you look around, what you describe at OLOS is happening at many Traditional Churches throughout the country, maybe more noticeable at OLOS.
When I first arrived at our church in 2003 it was literally standing room only. If you didn’t get there 15-20 minutes early you didn’t get a seat....and Fathers 45-60 minute sermons guaranteed you’d be standing for close to three hours. Even with his long sermons no one ever walked out.
He gave a battle cry, he warned the enemy was at the gate, he gave food for the soul that people needed to hear..WANTED to hear. He was speaking truth, pearls of wisdom that souls scrambled to gather for themselves and their children.
Then SUDDENLY that all stopped. Father was gone and in his place a young kid. A new priest who would take off his Maniple and lay it over the Missal and then take off his wrist watch, set the timer for 15 minutes, (while joking that he promised not to “torture” us like the other priest did) and lay it on the lectern. Gone were the meat and potatoes needed to nourish our souls and in came the peanut butter and jelly.
The danger at the gate had disappeared. The world was now pretty good. This coupled with a new diocesan Latin Mass in a towering and beautiful church, with sermons once again warning that the enemy was at the gate...(even telling Mass attendees to be on guard with Francis, he’s a danger to your soul...yes by a diocesan priest) slowly but surely emptied the pews of our chapel. You can now show up 20 minutes late and still find a seat.
Many Traditional Catholic kids grow up and never come back...more than half. Why? I’ve heard some say they just didn’t “buy” all the “stories” anymore....over a hundred years since OL o Fatima and still no divine intervention, where are the modern miracle workers? Why do Popes get worse and worse, even Traditional Catholics are left to fend for themselves almost abandoned without the sacraments....closest Mass 3-4 hours away.
So with all that said. I’d conclude that OLOS is the victim of attacks from multiple fronts, not just Pablo. Even the SSPX itself is a primary cause.
So you admit it's possible Pfeiffer's warlock, the "Lay-exorcist of Phoenix", imparted a curse on the property?
You think it's possible?
Here's an example of what one little (non professional) curse can do:
It concerns the history of Anneliese Michelle, the German Catholic girl who was demonically possessed and died in 1976.
(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.hcnsXwKPItuAX4ZU_zcHkwHaJb%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
The Catholic priests who administered her exorcism, determined the demonic gateway was through one distantly related family member's curse.
A sequence of events occurred after that, but her demonic possession became a national cause for those who believe in the devil and those who don't.
A warlock's business is to create gateways.
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Incred, anything is possible. It is “possible” that you yourself cast a curse on OLOS or got voodoo doll of your enemies and put stick pins in them. Any person can possibly walk into any church and possibly attempt to cast spells and call on evil spirits.
What is possible is not my point. My point is, that I (me...MY opinion) is that I believe it is rediculus to believe that Heaven would abandon OLOS because of Pablo. There must be many other factors contributing to their problems, including the leadership (to where and what are they leading is not the point of this thread) of the SSPX. The decline of SSPX I Chapels is being seen in many areas of the U.S. Life long parishioners see their children not returning to Tradition. Resistance Chapels are not overflowing with souls clamoring to get inside.
The lure of the world, sin, technology, the abandonment of Catholicism universally, have all played a roll in the destruction of Catholic Tradition both at OLOS and the nation at large.
If you want to discuss Anneliese Michelle, that might be good fodder for a new thread under a different folder (not SSPX Resistance).
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Town Cry Baby: I find it interesting that it took you six months to come back to me with your caustic remarks. I would think that after I pointed out that so much of the information that you wrote about was incorrect that you would accept what was said and move on. But no Town Cry Baby, you just cannot leave alone what someone says. You even try to label me now. I will say this that until I find something better, than I do not plan to leave this parish, just like you have not left either. Am I 100 % truly happy with events? Of course not. As far as attendance at the Mass, I simply ask the ushers what the attendance count was for the two Masses. I do not make things up like that. The same goes for the donations; I ask.At the old building, a really good head count for the two Masses was about 375. For us now it is about 650. It varies of course and some days it is much lower. For you to say that we only have 300 people attending the Mass is not true. We will easily have over 300 at either Mass, but again, not always. Overall attendance is creeping up. Overall donations are creeping up. Is attendance double and tripling, of course not. The same goes for donations. I think that you should spend more time on other issues such as Hooligan has done. He has made many people aware of a dangerous situation for these young adults that is happening at the new school. This is something that needs to be addressed by our Priests as these children belong to this parish. You redundant remarks about the church building, and how ugly it is and how you feel that we were cheated and blackmailed is tiring. No, it is not something that needs to be forgotten, but we get it it Town Cry Baby and we need to address other issues. I know you said that you have been here since 1984 and you above anyone else with this much time at the parish probably knows it inside out and backwards and forwards. Because of this, one cannot have but respect for your opinions, but please make darn sure that what you say is right one the money. I felt that your remarks on Father McFarland deserve an apology to him. I am not here to be an enemy to anyone, I just like the facts that are stated to be correct, not here say.
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GOOD COMMENTS... OLOS is going to be fine! As for Pablo, I don't think he put a curse on OLOS. I mean, I used to look at him and think to me self, "somewhere in Mexico a village is missing it's idiot!" The devil and demons are real and can oppress and possess, but if they are doing anything via Pablo I doubt he can be given the credit for it. The devil has more bravado than to stoop to acting on the beckoning of weirdo Pablo.
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Town Cry Baby: I find it interesting that it took you six months to come back to me with your caustic remarks. I would think that after I pointed out that so much of the information that you wrote about was incorrect that you would accept what was said and move on. But no Town Cry Baby, you just cannot leave alone what someone says. You even try to label me now. I will say this that until I find something better, than I do not plan to leave this parish, just like you have not left either. Am I 100 % truly happy with events? Of course not. As far as attendance at the Mass, I simply ask the ushers what the attendance count was for the two Masses. I do not make things up like that. The same goes for the donations; I ask.At the old building, a really good head count for the two Masses was about 375. For us now it is about 650. It varies of course and some days it is much lower. For you to say that we only have 300 people attending the Mass is not true. We will easily have over 300 at either Mass, but again, not always. Overall attendance is creeping up. Overall donations are creeping up. Is attendance double and tripling, of course not.
First off lets discuss your post ,we will get to the insults and name calling later
Now I don't think you would out-n-out lie . I think it is more of a case of misinformation and twisting the facts to fit your opinion . You said:
At the old building, a really good head count for the two Masses was about 375.
You are right for 2 Masses it was around 375 but we had 3 Masses and you know that. So with just another 125 we are already up to 500 and it was never as low as 125 most of the time it was around 200.
You Said:
For us now it is about 650. It varies of course and some days it is much lower.
Your right some days it is lower . Like every day .We havent hit 650 for months and you know it. even during school or catechism season. Last week there was barely 175 for high Mass
Lunatic attendance and donations are not creeping up and you know that but I will not chastise you for that as I think your intentions are honorable misplaced but honorable none the less. You are just trying to spare the church from scandal but Lunatic "The truth will set you free" think about it.
I will get to the insults and name calling in a later post as I have given you a lot to think about
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So now 2 priests are gone or going. Fr. Prescott left the SSPX altogether , Fr Haynos had to go all way up to the superior general to get reassigned . This comes after we were told there would be no more transfers for at least a few years after what this parish had been through with our revolving door priory.
Just like everything else District tells us we take a wait-and-see attitude as they make changes no matter what they say or promise. Now I realize the district cannot control what happens to a Priest once he gets here and becomes aware of what a unworkable disarray this parish is in, though maybe they should prepare these priests better for what they are in store for
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Did Fr. Haynos leave because he is disgruntled? If so, why?
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TC,
The constant pall over OLOS has the markings of a diabolical obsession.
Anyone who takes the occult for granted, is bound to suffer from it, not knowing the source of the problems?
If you read through Father Amorth's definitions and explanations, you'll start to get an eye for it.
Father Amorth on six types of demonic activity (https://tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2018/02/father-gabriele-amorth-on-spiritual.html)
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So now 2 priests are gone or going. Fr. Prescott left the SSPX altogether , Fr Haynos had to go all way up to the superior general to get reassigned . This comes after we were told there would be no more transfers for at least a few years after what this parish had been through with our revolving door priory.
Just like everything else District tells us we take a wait-and-see attitude as they make changes no matter what they say or promise. Now I realize the district cannot control what happens to a Priest once he gets here and becomes aware of what a unworkable disarray this parish is in, though maybe they should prepare these priests better for what they are in store for
Where did Fr. Prescott leave to?
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Where did Fr. Prescott leave to?
to the Phoenix diocese
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to the Phoenix diocese
I guess he figured, "Why wait?"
Interesting that the SSPX suffers more defections to the dioceses than to the Resistance these days.
Says something about the formation and culture.
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Says something about the formation
Did the SSPX's seminary instructors drastically change within the past few years (since the opening of their seminary in Virginia?)?
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Did the SSPX's seminary instructors drastically change within the past few years (since the opening of their seminary in Virginia?)?
Not sure, except that I know none of the ones who were there when I was there are still there. Fr. Peek was the last.
But that's less a problem than the program for formation.
Fr. Rutledge once announced (search CI for "Militant Anti-Resistance Sermon in St. Paul, MN"), in attempting to refute the Resistance in 2013, that the seminary still has all the same books as when he was there.
Well, he was ordained in 2009, and was in the first class of all-LeRoux priests.
But if the books and classes were the same, the spirit was completely different:
No more anti-modernist spiritual conference 3 days/week; that was the first casualty, which went out the door with +Williamson.
The new formation was all about virtue, not combat.
Meanwhile, the old hats sense the change, and go along or leave, so what is left is comprehensive metamorphosis into something very close to the FSSP.
Identical, really, except for the certain validity of orders.
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But if the books and classes were the same, the spirit was completely different:
No more anti-modernist spiritual conference 3 days/week; that was the first casualty, which went out the door with +Williamson.
Seems similar to what happened to ++Lefebvre's seminary professor Fr. Le Floch.
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Fr. Haynos is leaving to teach at the Seminary and it wasn't by his request. He is needed at the Seminary as a teacher.
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Fr. Haynos is leaving to teach at the Seminary and it wasn't by his request. He is needed at the Seminary as a teacher.
Well if that is the case it just proves what I have been saying in regards to the SSPX district doing what they want regardless of what they say or promise and how little they think of the parishioners of OLOS. I am of the opinion that were we still the cash cow we once were they would look elsewhere for a priest to teach at the seminary BUT due to no fault of our own we were bled dry by unscrupulous contractors and broken promises and no longer of any value
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Well Town Crier there is not much to think over as you said. Again not in order, but I feel I must respond.
I stand corrected, over the last years at the old church building we did have three Masses. You are correct. I forgot. The count for the three Masses was still at about 375.
I still stand buy my counts in the mid part of spring with an attendance as high as 650. Again I saw the counts. It always drops to a lower count in the summer with vacations and the snow birds taking off. So I still say attendance and donations, are creeping up, not jumping up, just creeping up. I think you have to look at a 12 month overall time frame and not several months. I am not sure what is going to happen if some of the larger families decide to jump over this school issue. Then we can expect a drop in both; that is for sure. I also wanted to let you know that the attendance at the high Mass this week was 238 not 175. Again, I asked. Also wanted to state that when I talked to Father Haynos, that he told me to my face that he did not want to transfer and asked not to go.
And for you Hooligan:
Is maith an rud ata a ra agat agus ta suil agam go gcoinneoidh tu an dearcadh dearfach suas. Tuigimgo bhfuilfadhbanna againn ach ta na barulacha diultacha ag cur isteach ar a bhfuilimid uilig ag irraidh a bhaint amach!
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I talked to Father Haynos, that he told me to my face that he did not want to transfer and asked not to go.
Your probably right about the transfer of Fr. Haynos .I was told that the Superior General had been involved and I was also told that he was unhappy here .My assumption was that the district having told us there would be no transfers Fr.Haynos contacted the Superior General in order to facilitate his transfer.I was wrong
This further proves what I have been saying all along the SSPX district doing what they want regardless of what they say or promise and how little they think of the parishioners of OLOS.
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The Priory has stated that Fr. Haynos' move came at the direction on Menzingen and that Fr. Wegner actually asked that Fr. Haynos get to remain at OLOS, but was refused.
Lunatik - Go raibh maith agat! Go mbimis an Tiarna Maith leat!
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The Priory has stated that Fr. Haynos' move came at the direction on Menzingen and that Fr. Wegner actually asked that Fr. Haynos get to remain at OLOS, but was refused.
Lunatik - Go raibh maith agat! Go mbimis an Tiarna Maith leat!
Hmmm
so your saying the priory told YOU about an internal conflict within the SSPX over the transfer of a priest ? Because that particular fact was never made mention of in the bulletin nor from the pulpit . Are you that well acquainted with the priory that they divulge that kind of information ? or are you just using the priory to legitimize your opinion
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Town Cry Baby: You redundant remarks about the church building, and how ugly it is and how you feel that we were cheated and blackmailed is tiring. No, it is not something that needs to be forgotten, but we get it it Town Cry Baby and we need to address other issues.
So my remarks are redundant are they ? Well I think they need repeating over and over until something is done , until the situation is addressed by those who caused it and rectify it. You say it is something that should not be forgotten and yet that is exactly what you are doing by telling me and others to move on to other issues. This is impossible to do when the district it its endeavor to raise money for its new church in St, Marys Kansas has embarked on a plan almost identical to the one they used in Phoenix just a bit more polished .As we see here in just one small example.
Windowmakers Guild
100 donors at $10,000 to $24,000
($167 to $400 monthly)
Help purchase the beautiful stained-glass windows which will bring the catechism of the church to life.
Recommended for young singles with established jobs and couples with grown children
Recognition:
-Receive a special commemorative Windowmakers Guild item
-A Mass for your intentions offered on the Immaculata’s altar for 30 days
-Have name displayed in special recognition in the Immaculata
That bears repeating I think
"beautiful stained-glass windows which will bring the catechism of the church to life."
What about bringing the Catechism to life in OUR church Lunatic ?
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Hmmm
so your saying the priory told YOU about an internal conflict within the SSPX over the transfer of a priest ? Because that particular fact was never made mention of in the bulletin nor from the pulpit . Are you that well acquainted with the priory that they divulge that kind of information ? or are you just using the priory to legitimize your opinion
Actually, I said "Priory" because that information came from OLOS. Fr. McFarland said this directly from the pulpit when he announced Fr. Haynos' upcoming departure. Father said this at both Masses that day.
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Actually, I said "Priory" because that information came from OLOS. Fr. McFarland said this directly from the pulpit when he announced Fr. Haynos' upcoming departure. Father said this at both Masses that day.
Your right , the Prior did say from the pulpit that Fr. Haynos is leaving BUT at no time did he give any of the details you shared .You are splitting hairs in order to divert the subject ,that being your post detailing a internal conflict between District and the Superior General and how you came by that information
I guess it does not matter as I agree almost everything you post but one must wonder when you take the time to go to such lengths to avoid answering a question
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He like myself are Irish, everything needs to be embellished or it aint worth sayin
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He like myself are Irish, everything needs to be embellished or it aint worth sayin
He's Texan Irish, where tall tales are told.
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He like myself are Irish, everything needs to be embellished or it aint worth sayin
I can live with that
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So my remarks are redundant are they ? Well I think they need repeating over and over until something is done , until the situation is addressed by those who caused it and rectify it. You say it is something that should not be forgotten and yet that is exactly what you are doing by telling me and others to move on to other issues. This is impossible to do when the district it its endeavor to raise money for its new church in St, Marys Kansas has embarked on a plan almost identical to the one they used in Phoenix just a bit more polished .As we see here in just one small example.
Windowmakers Guild
100 donors at $10,000 to $24,000
($167 to $400 monthly)
Help purchase the beautiful stained-glass windows which will bring the catechism of the church to life.
Recommended for young singles with established jobs and couples with grown children
Recognition:
-Receive a special commemorative Windowmakers Guild item
-A Mass for your intentions offered on the Immaculata’s altar for 30 days
-Have name displayed in special recognition in the Immaculata
That bears repeating I think
"beautiful stained-glass windows which will bring the catechism of the church to life."
What about bringing the Catechism to life in OUR church Lunatic ?
$167 to $400 per month? For young singles with “established” jobs and couples with grown children? Does the SSPX think these two groups of people are likely to have $10,000 to $24,000 to donate in one year’s time? I’m not sure what planet they’re on or what was in their drink while coming up with this sum!
I do not know of anybody in either category well off enough to make such a donation. The young people making large sums are surely paying off college loans, and the couples with adult children are easing onto a fixed income or are still working full-time to pay off the mortgage and probably helping out the adult children who'd otherwise not be married and having children. Young adults working at jobs that don’t require post high school education are unlikely to live on their own, much less be able to donate $10 to $24 K. Recent empty nesters are unlikely not to be helping their adult kids. If they’re single in the US, they’re paying for their medical insurance until age 27!
I’m 60, a “spinster!”🧵 working 60+ hours a week, and just making ends meet in an established job.
$167 week would mean I’d be sleeping in the chapel with the lovely windows.
The people most likely to be able to make large donations are those who came into adulthood from right after WWII through about 1971 or 1972. If you graduated from college during the recessions of the 70s or 80s, you’re likely making substantially less in 2019 than those just a little before or after. Those who came of age in the mid 1990s to early 2000s are the young adults, the infamous millennials. After that came the housing crisis which, despite what government officials say about availability of jobs, those of this generation are forced to work multiple low-paying jobs or work at year’s long unpaid internships by day and earn what they can at night.
When I think of the regular Mass goers at my old chapel, I come up with not one young working single with a secure, well-paying job. Most were living at home while going to school and working for minimum wage or a little above. Many of these stopped coming to Mass after finishing high school. Two couples with grown children come to mind as potential donors. They both had two children apiece having come late to tradition, and were from long-time wealthy families in the area. Both were in their early 70s and retired.
There was a similar program at the chapel for a massive capital improvement project. People made pledges in the hundreds of thousands, but when seven years went by with only one repair made, the money stopped flowing. Answers were demanded and not given. Where did the money go? God knows. The priory cut back to Sunday Masses only, then one Sunday Mass from three, no more HDO Masses, no more First Fridays or Saturdays, Retreats were cut by a third despite there being more priests, then the priests limited sick calls and last rites to official members. People voted with their pocketbooks and then with their feet. The chapel sold half its land and is a shadow of its former self. It’s populated by Indult types, those who sometimes like the old-fashioned Mass, either from early childhood or as a novelty. I’m not judging these people, for we’re all at different stages on our way, hopefully, to Heaven. There’s no more sense of a Catholic community. You go to Mass with your family, maybe have coffee and a roll with your family, and you leave. Those who come alone are left alone, even when trying to be friendly and getting to know others. Most of the people don’t want to get involved. Example, there used to be a very large and active Rosary group. Now, there’s nothing! Same thing for the Soc. of Christ the King...no longer exists. Those available and with the ability to lead are deceased or too old. The middle aged and young with families are working long hours to exist. They’re now the working class or working poor, the latter especially if they have many children. Formerly, the majority of the families were solidly middle, upper middle, and even well-to-do. The demographics of the area has changed radically over the last 20 years, not only financially, but ethnically and racially. Catholics are more likely to be Spanish or Filipino than White. The surrounding neighborhood is Spanish, Filipino, Jamaican, and to the north, Muslim. Whites drive in for Mass and drive out. Few neighborhood Catholics attend. In fact, they are definitely unwanted. Many chapel people cannot distinguish between Spanish and Filipino and presume everyone is illegal and on welfare. Not exactly conducive to building tradition! Those who welcome them become victims of gossip, detraction, slander, and worse.
The building looks dumpy, the work that was done is already falling apart. There’s cracked masonry, broken slate on the stairs, mildew on the north facing side, and the rug is unraveling, creating a fall hazard for elderly or handicapped. My mother who, if she goes to Mass, attends the novus ordo, agreed once to try The TLM. When she saw the broken slate and unsteady handrail, she told me to take her home. I notified the priory on Monday, was promised a call from a coordinator which never came. I took a picture and mailed it to the priory with a letter to the prior, but received no reply. By then, I’d already stopped attending due to other more serious issues.
My gut tells me that there was something spiritually amiss way back at the beginning of the SSPX in the United States, maybe other places as well. Why does every US chapel suffer from the same problems? Lack of financial transparency and cliques? (Cliques are called factions in Scripture.)
Does anyone care to comment upon why or where those two sins gained entry? (Please, no names of persons, places unless it is widely known to the trad. public.)
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Yes, cliques and money hungry. I agree with you, Seraphina with everything you say. Indult has its pant wearing veil wearing lady novus ordo. Yes. They all have their cliques. These people lack Christian charity. And you are going to find out that the 1 percent sitting in the pews especially women are supporting the party of death. Yesterday, I had a bad experience at indult TLM with a nosy body pant wearing lady and a rude man.
She picked on me and got in my face as I was preparing for confession before the smells and bells. At the confessional everyone sits on long pew waiting. I came to Mass early and the pew was full. I was standing. A man with long hair wouldn’t slide down or offer me a seat so I had to pull a folding chair. In the meantime there are teenage girls one wearing pants and another had short boy haircut coming in and out of Church laughing and giggling out loud while people were trying to pray. I was preparing for confession and the man goes into Confessional. This lady comes up to me and tells me to slide down when there really no need to. Who is she to get in my face? She should have just minded her business. She isn’t a priest. I asked her why didn’t she tell the faggy like man to slide down when I as a woman needed to sit down. A real man would have stood up and offered a woman a place to sit or slid down. He was so femmy. She never said a thing to the teenagers who were disruptive but she has to pick on me. Then after comfession, I tried to be nice and said I would pray for her. Her voice changed and her true self came out. She said touchet . There are a lot of hypocrites at these Latin Masses.
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I walked out of Mass. How could I stayed when I was so upset and disgusted.
The people at SSPX are no better. Been there and done that was black listed by former pastor who later had connections to Idaho scandal.
Then there was resistance ...
Then the independent chapel had a conman with connections to pedophiles.
We were going to our Pastor’s home for Mass where we thrived spiritually until he died. Just a simple holy low Mass. Then reluctantly went to indult.
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I can certainly relate to your above two posts, Viva Cristo Rey. I love the TLM, but those who attend it...not so much.
One of the local Indult priests said in a sermon about a year ago that those who attend the TLM expect that the Mass itself will make them holy, but that no, it has to go beyond that. They (we) have to strive beyond that. There's some truth to what he said, I think.
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Why didn't you just move over? Just because you're a woman you don't have a right to a seat and space around you. If there really was some reason you needed to sit why didn't you just ask the man to move over? He probably didn't even notice you.
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Does attendance at TLM necessarily supply behavior changing graces? Apparently, not always
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I can certainly relate to your above two posts, Viva Cristo Rey. I love the TLM, but those who attend it...not so much.
One of the local Indult priests said in a sermon about a year ago that those who attend the TLM expect that the Mass itself will make them holy, but that no, it has to go beyond that. They (we) have to strive beyond that. There's some truth to what he said, I think.
I'm so glad you said that. I love the TLM. Those that attend it, not so much either. From the FSSP to the SSPX to the sedevacantists.
I despise the new Mass, but I have found more genuinely devout souls there than at any TLM chapel I've ever attended.
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I'm so glad you said that. I love the TLM. Those that attend it, not so much either. From the FSSP to the SSPX to the sedevacantists.
I despise the new Mass, but I have found more genuinely devout souls there than at any TLM chapel I've ever attended.
Thank you, Alexandria, and well said.
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I'm so glad you said that. I love the TLM. Those that attend it, not so much either. From the FSSP to the SSPX to the sedevacantists.
I despise the new Mass, but I have found more genuinely devout souls there than at any TLM chapel I've ever attended.
Genuinely devoted to what?
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https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/phoenix-sspx-chapel-update/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/phoenix-sspx-chapel-update/)
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I'm so glad you said that. I love the TLM. Those that attend it, not so much either. From the FSSP to the SSPX to the sedevacantists.
I despise the new Mass, but I have found more genuinely devout souls there than at any TLM chapel I've ever attended.
I ask a second time.
Devoted to what?
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Did someone say "Our Lady of Sorrows"?
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I'm feeling silly; I couldn't resist.
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I ask a second time.
Devoted to what?
They are very devoted to Our Lady. Many pray several rosaries a day and spend hours in the Adoration Chapel praying before the Blessed Sacrament.
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“Why didn't you just move over? Just because you're a woman you don't have a right to a seat and space around you. If there really was some reason you needed to sit why didn't you just ask the man to move over? He probably didn't even notice you. “
How do do you know? Were you at this chapel? Do you always condone poor manners? Stop making excuses for a young rude femmy young man.
I couldn’t move over because I was standing. This was long pew waiting for confession. Had he moved over I would have been able to sit down. There were others ahead of him sitting on the same pew. Yes he did notice me. Looked straight at me and turned his head. He wouldn’t slide down to make room that was available. He had an attitude. Many people at this chapel lack basic charity and manners. This was about half an hour before Mass.
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They are very devoted to Our Lady. Many pray several rosaries a day and spend hours in the Adoration Chapel praying before the Blessed Sacrament.
So, your earlier insult should read:
"I have found more souls devoted to Our Lady, praying Rosaries, and adoring the Blessed Sacrament in the Novus Ordo than at any TLM chapel I've ever attended."
Sounds like nonsense to me.
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I'm so glad you said that. I love the TLM. Those that attend it, not so much either. From the FSSP to the SSPX to the sedevacantists.
I despise the new Mass, but I have found more genuinely devout souls there than at any TLM chapel I've ever attended.
Have you ever attended the mission in Manhattan? I attend there and I believe we have and have had some good souls there who are devoted to Our Lady and Jesus. But we are a very small crowd and we do not bring in enough money. In fact last week Our Priest said that basically we bring in the least amount of money compared to our expenses of any SSPX mission in the country. But several times when we were low on money, some pious souls came in with big donations to save the boat from capsizing. I hope we make up for what we lack in money with our prayers.
But I have found good people in the local parishes with good hearts. More than trads as there are so many more of them.
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Yes, cliques and money hungry. I agree with you, Seraphina with everything you say. Indult has its pant wearing veil wearing lady novus ordo. Yes. They all have their cliques. These people lack Christian charity. And you are going to find out that the 1 percent sitting in the pews especially women are supporting the party of death. Yesterday, I had a bad experience at indult TLM with a nosy body pant wearing lady and a rude man.
She picked on me and got in my face as I was preparing for confession before the smells and bells. At the confessional everyone sits on long pew waiting. I came to Mass early and the pew was full. I was standing. A man with long hair wouldn’t slide down or offer me a seat so I had to pull a folding chair. In the meantime there are teenage girls one wearing pants and another had short boy haircut coming in and out of Church laughing and giggling out loud while people were trying to pray. I was preparing for confession and the man goes into Confessional. This lady comes up to me and tells me to slide down when there really no need to. Who is she to get in my face? She should have just minded her business. She isn’t a priest. I asked her why didn’t she tell the faggy like man to slide down when I as a woman needed to sit down. A real man would have stood up and offered a woman a place to sit or slid down. He was so femmy. She never said a thing to the teenagers who were disruptive but she has to pick on me. Then after comfession, I tried to be nice and said I would pray for her. Her voice changed and her true self came out. She said touchet . There are a lot of hypocrites at these Latin Masses.
You hit upon something the SSPX chapels have lost... the grace of humility.
The older SSPX faithful know of this quality that pervaded many a poor TLM chapel.
Fr. Wegner’s Re-branding program changed all that.
The thing to be aware of in independent chapels, that seek to hold onto this grace of humility is Marranos.
You’ll find them in every chapel.
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So, your earlier insult should read:
"I have found more souls devoted to Our Lady, praying Rosaries, and adoring the Blessed Sacrament in the Novus Ordo than at any TLM chapel I've ever attended."
Sounds like nonsense to me.
That's too bad.
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Have you ever attended the mission in Manhattan? I attend there and I believe we have and have had some good souls there who are devoted to Our Lady and Jesus. But we are a very small crowd and we do not bring in enough money. In fact last week Our Priest said that basically we bring in the least amount of money compared to our expenses of any SSPX mission in the country. But several times when we were low on money, some pious souls came in with big donations to save the boat from capsizing. I hope we make up for what we lack in money with our prayers.
But I have found good people in the local parishes with good hearts. More than trads as there are so many more of them.
They didn't have one there when I worked in Manhattan. I used to spend my time before work and during my lunch hour at the old St. Agnes Church near Grand Central Station.
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They are very devoted to Our Lady. Many pray several rosaries a day and spend hours in the Adoration Chapel praying before the Blessed Sacrament.
You made a sweeping indictment based on no evidence but your subjective feelings.
Unless you make claim to the charism of reading souls, you have nothing—not one thing—to support your ass-essment.
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You made a sweeping indictment based on no evidence but your subjective feelings.
Unless you make claim to the charism of reading souls, you have nothing—not one thing—to support your ass-essment.
God bless you!
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If there were any question as to whether or not district or the Priests at OloS read Cathinfo ,well question no more . A couple of weeks ago Fr.M during his sermon brought up Cathinfo indirectly of course but none the less .He talked about the basement and the church dept calling it a "Albatross around our neck" For those not familiar with the saying it refers to a poem by Samuel T. Coleridge "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner" .In it a sailor guilt of the sin of killing a albatross was thought to be the sole cause of all their troubles. So they hung the dead albatross around the sailor's neck.
I agree with Fr.M the dept is a sin, the cause of all our troubles AND like the sailor in the poem who could not go about his normal life due to this huge rotting carcass around his neck as it literally took president over everything, was a consent reminder never to commit such an act again
Of course in said poem the aforementioned sailor was not told to kill the bird nor told to kill A bird only to find out later it was an albatross. with that in mind In ask you . Who should be wearing the metaphorical albatross around their neck ?
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It's "debt" (not "dept") and "precedence" (not "president").
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It's "debt" (not "dept") and "precedence" (not "president").
Thank you ,
I am now at ease knowing you have highlighted and corrected the grammar mistakes and proved to me that the meaning was not lost . In my defence it was very late and I had only just "put it all together"