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Offline Mr G

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Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2018, 02:13:33 PM »
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  • Three truths of Catholicism: You can't love God too much, you can't praise Our Blessed Mother too much, and you can't criticize Vatican II too much. I mean that literally and I'm dead serious.
    Yes, this is so true!


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #16 on: December 20, 2018, 02:25:26 PM »
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  • Three truths of Catholicism: You can't love God too much, you can't praise Our Blessed Mother too much, and you can't criticize Vatican II too much. I mean that literally and I'm dead serious.

    And a corollary:

    Saying
    "Vatican II isn't THAT bad"
    "Vatican II isn't a superheresy"
    "95% of Vatican II is OK"

    is a HUGE RED FLAG that should cause any good Catholic to put up huge walls of separation.

    What are the biggest hallmarks of Vatican II? Confusion. A double tongue. Chaos. Capitulation to the Modern World. Are these the hallmarks of the Holy Ghost, or of the devil himself? I'd have to argue the latter.

    Vatican II is of the devil. It needs to be solemnly condemned by a future pope, and thrown into the dustbin of history. 100% of it. We won't be missing anything. Vatican II defined no new doctrine, unless you count heresies! Any "truths" found in Vatican II docuмents are printed right next to foul lies, placed there to make the lies more palatable! Vatican II is the work of satan and his minions, the Freemasons.
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #17 on: December 20, 2018, 03:43:31 PM »
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    Matthew: The SSPX used to have priests who were quite apostolic, even going door-to-door to make converts. I've met some of those converts who told their story of how they joined the chapel. The SSPX used to have awesome priests among their number (which is why I was a fervent, pro-SSPX supporter for many years!),

    I don’t want to be unfair to sspx priests. I can only say that from a pretty active participation with the Society from 2005 to 2012 in Post Falls, we were not aware of priests going door to door. Much less did we ever find priests, of the always 6 or 7 priests stationed at ICC, doing acts of charity like going to hospitals, rest homes , jails, mental health facilities, and doing other acts of mercy outside the parish - with the exception of one. And what he did, for the most part, was to bring Communion to shut-ins from the parish, as well as to visit ICC parishioners in hospitals parishioners occasionally. 
    If there are sspx priests currently participating in charitable community service ministries, then it must be elsewhere.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #18 on: December 20, 2018, 04:39:52 PM »
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  • I don’t want to be unfair to sspx priests. I can only say that from a pretty active participation with the Society from 2005 to 2012 in Post Falls, we were not aware of priests going door to door. Much less did we ever find priests, of the always 6 or 7 priests stationed at ICC, doing acts of charity like going to hospitals, rest homes , jails, mental health facilities, and doing other acts of mercy outside the parish - with the exception of one. And what he did, for the most part, was to bring Communion to shut-ins from the parish, as well as to visit ICC parishioners in hospitals parishioners occasionally.  
    If there are sspx priests currently participating in charitable community service ministries, then it must be elsewhere.


    First of all, your 7 years experience only covers Post Falls. There is a wide world outside that locality.

    Second, SSPX priests are too few in number to collectively excel at all 14 Works of Mercy (7 spiritual and 7 corporal)

    The Conciliar Church has "the body" well taken care of. The SSPX specialized in those neglected Spiritual works of mercy -- especially instructing the ignorant, admonishing the sinner, counseling the doubtful, praying for the living and the dead. Think about it: the Novus Ordo completely doesn't pray for the dead; they have them in heaven already!

    As for visiting hospitals, prisons, and what not, we should be careful to criticize ALL priests with a broad brush. You'd have to point to something the priest shouldn't be doing, where he'd have more time to minister to various groups. SSPX priests often have to teach and/or help administer in SSPX schools during the week. That is time well spent. The SSPX can only spend his 15 hours a day once, just like any of us. The SSPX priests already have daily Masses to say, correspondence with Faithful, their daily breviary, Spiritual Duties (spiritual reading, Rosary, meditation, Scripture reading, preparing sermons, personal prayers) plus normal personal care (eating, showering, bathroom breaks, etc.) Most SSPX priests have a certain amount of travel each week as well.

    And I question the value of going in to some random prison that no one asked you to come to. Many SSPX parishioners get insufficient time with their priests already. In the Trad world, there is a real priest shortage for things like advice and spiritual direction. The priest can only be in one location at a time, during which time he is literally ignoring every other location on earth. He has to prioritize and make choices.

    If a priest is wasting his hours away (socializing, recreation, sports, TV, etc.), then he is to be blamed. But I will only criticize such priests individually. I'm not going to complain in a general manner, because that's silly.
    Maybe it's the same reason we haven't taken back the world, or taken back the Church yet: Because we can't. i.e., we have insufficient manpower and resources.
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #19 on: December 20, 2018, 04:51:59 PM »
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  • Remember that the Church used to have different Religious Orders for different vocations.

    Today, most SSPX young men with a vocation will end up in the SSPX, even if they normally would have ended up Franciscan, Dominican, or Benedictine.

    I know there are traditional Dominicans, but some young men have an issue with moving to France and/or learning French. I certainly fit into that category back in the day! I felt no calling at all to learn French, and I was a language nerd -- I loved studying foreign languages! Maybe it's because no part of me is French.

    What I'm saying is: what does a priest do in his spare time? Some Dominican-leaning SSPX priests might choose to study and/or write a book -- i.e., teach others. Some Salesian-leaning SSPX priests might want to work with youths as much as they can. Others might choose to spend more time in contemplation, or practicing/recording Gregorian chant. Others want to spend extra time with the Liturgy and that department. Others might want to minister to the public in various ways.

    The SSPX vocation is kind of a misc-bucket now. 100 years ago, those vocations would have been divided up among many different Orders.
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #20 on: December 21, 2018, 02:07:17 AM »
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  • The SSPX should only put highly experienced priests in charge of a priory and then have the younger priests as assistants so they can experience without being fully in-charge.  
    You are absolutely right BUT In the case of OLOS Phoenix the highly experienced priests of the SSPX make it perfectly clear they don't want to be assigned here. We have seen 4 priors come and go in less than 5 years. The last one was Fr. McDonald assistant to Fr. Wegner. He lasted about a year. Even he could not mend this fractured unhappy parish and returned to his former position. All the younger priests and there have been many have also left only to be replaced ..over and over it goes. All is not lost though. Next year the school will have at most half the pupils it does now,If the expansion of the break-away school goes as planned. This could create a situation where the school is closed  Maybe then the superiors admit something is wrong here   
        
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #21 on: December 24, 2018, 03:40:00 PM »
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  • John McFarland requested that I post:


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    Would you please inform the Cathinfo membership that Fr. McFarland has advised his mother that he has not asked to be transferred. 

            This was hardly news; the whole idea of him of all people as a quitter in the first inning was a matter of some amusement en famille.

            Father is not a smiley, gladhanding sort of guy, which I presume is where the idea that he does not look happy comes from.    .

            His family did not lovingly groom him for the priesthood.  He come to tradition and the priesthood off his own bat.  As he said at his ordination reception, what we did was to raise him a Catholic.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #22 on: December 24, 2018, 07:21:11 PM »
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  • Well , that is what happens when there is no communication, no interaction Rumors will fly.
    but regardless if he is staying or going Fr.McFarland was still sent  to a school on the verge of closing ,to a parish fractured and apathetic  oh and worst of all ,the very cause of all these troubles  a unfinished glorified warehouse to say Mass in . That BTW is being kept unfinished until we pay the debt off and that is indisputable 

    My heart goes out to him that he be sent here. I pray St.Vianney give him strength 
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #23 on: December 26, 2018, 09:36:26 PM »
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  • Because there are so many posts on the parish of Our Lady of Sorrows, my comments will not be in order.  I do wish to commend Matthew on his comments in that he appears to try to give a fair and unbiased view on this subject. I am sure Town Crier will came back to make remarks on what I say, as he cannot seem to just read what someone else says and take it for what it is; more information about what is really going on. So let me address a few things and they will not be in order.
    1) The School: Well since the first of the school year, the school has grown with several new families. Also one family from the other school has decided that they did not like the direction that it was taking with its' Novus Ordo principal and has come back. There are not 2 high school students like what was stated but actually 16. I spoke with a high school teacher. While in the prior year $90,000 was raised with the jog -a -thon, even with the reduced enrollment, approximately $70,000 was raised this year when it was all said and done. Going to fold up and go away as a school? Hardly!
    2) I was glad to see the information about Father McFarland not asking for a transfer. What a pity that someone started this silly tale! I would think that you Town Crier would say  that you are sorry to Father McFarland until you could prove it true; which it was not. Next time ask him to his face. That is what I try to do.
    3) Everyone ( at least I thought they did), realized that Father McDonald was not going to be at this church long. He was sent in to try to straighten things out while a new priest was found to replace Father Stafki. So why the surprise here? He continued to do his other duties as before, so that tells me that he was never going to be here long.
    4) On Priests going out in the community. I personally know of one the priests that is sent all over to give people Communion, to hear Confessions, et cetera. He went to Quartzite, Payson, to jails, to hospitals. Along with myself, I know of at least 4 other people that the priests went to see in the hospital. In fact when I was in my accident, the priest was in the operating room to make sure that I was okay, but if not, he was there to give me Last Rites. Another lady I know was in a like situation and the priest had to be told to move out of the way so that the doctors could do their thing!
    5) To call Our Lady of Sorrows an  " unfinished glorified warehouse" to me is an insult to all of us that have put time and donations into building this beautiful church. Yes, it is not finished. We that go there are all aware of it. Yet I still think that it is a beautiful church, and I feel so lucky to have it. There was a lady at retreat here recently and she commented on how beautiful the church was. She said at her church that when it rains, that the sewer backs up and sewage is all over the floor.  Yes I want it finished too. We all do! Yet instead of hearing the same story all over again, why do you not see if there is something that you as persons can do to raise money to help put down that debt. I know you head that a recent parishioner that has passed away, donated enough funds to knock about 6.5 years off of the back end of the mortgage!
    6) You state that donations and attendance is down. For the last three weeks, two out of three times, we reached new attendance records! Donations were way up. I am not talking in comparison to the dedication first Mass, I  am  talking standard attendance. And yes I have seen the figures; not some rumor.
    7) A lot of things that have been stated are true and I will not deny that. I will not deny that we have problems, just like any other parish. Yet, I just wish people would do a little more concrete research before spouting off at the mouth.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #24 on: July 01, 2019, 07:37:55 PM »
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  • 6) You state that donations and attendance is down. For the last three weeks, two out of three times, we reached new attendance records! Donations were way up. I am not talking in comparison to the dedication first Mass, I  am  talking standard attendance. And yes I have seen the figures; not some rumor.

    How is it that you have seen "the figures" ? You seem to possess a lot of information that is otherwise not public knowledge. Interesting point of fact though I have repeatedly asked you what the attendance is now compared to the church at its previous location and you won't answer. After all as you stated you have seen "the figures". Why is that I wonder ? You are a sspx-no-matter-what supporter after all. You should be telling us all how the church has doubled and tripled in numbers .Is that not what we were told was going to happen ? That the huge increase in donations is paying for EVERYTHING we need. Is that not what we were told was going to happen ? Well why aren't you spreading the good news lunatic ??
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #25 on: July 02, 2019, 09:21:22 AM »
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  • Instead of blaming the priests, maybe the blame is the people.  The moral is low in most chapels.   It’s always the same small group of people doing the work.  In several chapels we have visited, young people aren't helping out or doing their share of work.  And maybe there isn’t a high Mass because there isn’t a choir.  There are too many cliques.   Then there are many adults who come to see what they can get for free from going to Church.  Then you have the rude negative people who scare any new parishioners away.  And this is everywhere; not just SSPX.  Stop being snobby know -it -all while looking down on people.  If you treat people with charity, they will want to come back and support the Church financially. You need the Legion of Mary and other lay groups to go door knocking inviting people to come to Jesus.  Take your old church bulletin and place it at your local supermarkets.  Invite family and friends to Mass and fundraisers to convert those who have turned away from God.  
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #26 on: July 02, 2019, 11:00:11 AM »
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  • Hmm... what IS wrong with OLOS?  

    No one can figure it out, but maybe the answer is very simple?

    How about a curse being put on the property?



    A "diabolical obsession" at the chapel, originating during Fr. Pfeiffer's tenure?

    Father Amorth says it is certainly possible: Link

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #27 on: July 03, 2019, 12:55:32 AM »
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  • Shame on you for posting such a blasphemous picture of Our Lady of Guadalupe. I hope Matthew removes the picture immediately.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #28 on: July 03, 2019, 07:50:31 AM »
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  • Newbie,

    The image represents Nuestra Señora de la Santa Muerte otherwise referred to as "Santa Muerta".  Link

    It is a demonic cult-religion practiced initially in Mexico and now in the U.S.

    From the Phoenix perspective, Town Crier knows that one of Fr. Pfieffer's henchmen practices it.
    Before he hooked-up with Fr. Pfeiffer, he used to be a lay exorcist in the Phoenix area.

    And on this forum there have been many testimonies that Father's henchman practices the occult arts, by sacrificing animals
    and burning their corpses in offerings to the devil.  The ashes are in turn put into the food of unsuspecting Catholics for the purpose of putting a curse on them, generally known as a diabolical obsession.

    In my previous post, I gave a link with a qualified Catholic source on the practice of curses.

    So, it is quite relevant to this topic, in that no one seems to understand what is plaguing OLOS?
    And how ironically funny that the neoSSPX priests can't figure it out?

    But Fr. Pfeiffer's warlock henchman was at OLOS.  He walked the grounds and occupied the buildings, and surely left his mark.

    So Newbie, Santa Muerta is relevant to this topic, whether you understand it or not.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #29 on: July 04, 2019, 11:32:58 AM »
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  • That very well could be. There must be some kind of explanation for the soul crushing turn around that occurred with the building of the new church. We once had a happy and growing community where parishioners participated in church clubs ,3rd order & religious confraternities. We had BBQs and potlucks. We had multiple persessions every year with banners, statues and load speakers with 300+ strong.OLoS was a truly happy, welcoming place All of that is gone now. We all know what happened but we don't really know the why. Why things got so bad so fast. Maybe Incredulous has a valid point. Pablo was all over that property in and out of the priory and church without impediment

     
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